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Message started by Jiggyfly on 03/28/13 at 00:35:34

Title: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 03/28/13 at 00:35:34

I've finally gotten enough parts together I feel comfortable with going forward with this project.
I, like many before me, found Ryca to be extremely cool. Great idea! I love the concept, but never cared for the way the cafe tail seemed to end too soon, barely, if even, reaching the back axle. Then I see the scrambler version, & thinking I might want to throw the wife on the back & ride for a quick burger or ice cream....it made more sense. Next- I'm a mechanic & fabricator, so I'm more interested in doing things myself, as well as a little interpretation of how I feel things should look, stop, & go. For sure I wanted to do something unique! But how? Ryca has become pretty popular, garnering lots of motorcycle media, and rightfully so! To be honest, I wanted a Yamaha SR500, & could not find one! The "street tracker" craze is beginning to rival the "cafe" builders. I love the "dirt track" look with the big 18" & 19" spoked aluminum wheels. How better to stand out than to have some aluminum wheels?! None that I can think of?! Hours of research & eBay shopping later, my Paypal account beeping & sputtering......the UPS guy dropping boxes off, (a regular occurrence at my house!) & we have wheels! Now to make them work.....

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/601CB899-B7E1-4EA5-A8BA-4D8BF017549D-6878-0000041BA3F7C38C.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 03/28/13 at 00:41:03

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/B2648877-1339-40F9-B4D7-A88D682AC18D-6878-0000041CEB3B2E7A.jpg

My footpeg brackets, in polished stainless steel.
No end plates until I finalize a position.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 03/28/13 at 00:44:25

The right side bracket is a different shape because it will also be where the exhaust bracket goes.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 03/28/13 at 00:50:26

Next is the machine of parts, spacers, brackets, etc.... To make the wheels & brakes work. (Fingers crossed!)
Tires
7/8" bars. 1" stuff is cool for cruisers & Harley's, but I want to ditch the (to me) ugly stock switchgear & go with something modern & smaller.
I also have a Brembo radial master cylinder that's just dying to have a place to live besides a box in my garage! So 7/8" bars it is!

& then we'll make the seat loop & frame work.
I see some grinding, welding, & cutting in my future!
:) I like it!

Hopefully you guys dig it, too!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 03/28/13 at 00:53:06

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/E20CF003-67F5-424B-B9ED-283745F9F835-1669-00000219E13F8B50.jpg

Here's my other motorcycle.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by ToesNose on 03/28/13 at 03:35:05

Very cool Jiggy, Looking forward to watching your progress unfold ;)

Also wishing you good luck, minimal headaches and great icecream after being finished! ;D

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by WD on 03/28/13 at 07:32:22

http://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/matchless_1960/images/Matchless_1960_G12_CSR.jpg

So kind of like this but with alloy wheels? Low pipe a la English TT or high pipe like thigh burner Honda Scramblers?

Or more like this: http://www.theworldofmotorcycles.com/vintagebike-images/matchless_g85-500.jpeg

Decisions decisions... ;)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by teabowl13 on 03/28/13 at 08:27:31

Those Mags will definitely stand out! Are those old GS wheels? I've read here that some of them are a direct swap, at least on the rear. Makes it easy to upgrade to chain drive!

I can't wait to see where you go with this.
Tell us your plans? What are you doing for a tank?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by verslagen1 on 03/28/13 at 08:42:20

Not GS wheels, either yamy or kow wheels. spill it man, gotta know!

You'll need a GS450 disk (need to double check that) to match the thickness and take off a little on the OD to match the savage. Hole pattern looks the same. And somewhere between 1/4" and 5/16" spacers to shift the disk out.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 03/29/13 at 05:38:29

They're Kawi KZ wheels, both 18".
The plan is to buy an aftermarket (probably EBC) rotor, & likely use a significantly upgraded front caliper (likely a Brembo 4 piston) with a custom made brake bracket. I like brakes. ;)

I've done all of this stuff before, just not on a Savage.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by mpescatori on 03/29/13 at 05:47:02

Addaway, Jiggyfly!

My two cents' worth :

1. The Savage is a big single: if you want the bike to look "proper", check out the vintage thumper scramblers made by Ducati and by Royal Enfield.

http://www.motoannisettanta.com/images/Ducati-Scrambler-350--1973-.jpghttp://www.motoannisettanta.com/images/Ducati-Scrambler.jpg

http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/models/img/kits/scrambler-trials.jpghttp://farm4.staticflickr.com/3555/3579548313_ac03a5bdf4.jpg

May I suggest you avoid looking at the scrambler twins (Honda, Triumph etc) because the engine will give the bike a completely different look.

8-)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 03/29/13 at 05:47:36

The tank will likely be the stock unit, with the gauge hole welded up. The stock shape is bad for the Ryca cafe bike, but after looking and looking & looking at mock ups, I think I can make the angle look right with the stock tank. If not, I may have found a different tank that will work.
I'll say this, the Ryca tank mods are expensive, but also very nice.
I could cut the bottom off and weld it up.....but get no where near the accuracy & consistency on the 2 different sides that they do. They probably
farm out the pieces they weld on, so their laser cut, & then have a pattern/go-no-go or something for the cut out. Plasma cutter, laser....I'm not sure! Anyone been there & seen how they do it?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 03/29/13 at 05:57:18

Example:
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/EFFA0E53-61D4-4A0F-9F9E-9E83CD2BB512-8152-000004F0495251AB.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by caseyLA on 03/29/13 at 15:08:27

64474949574842572E0 wrote:

They probably
farm out the pieces they weld on, so their laser cut, & then have a pattern/go-no-go or something for the cut out. Plasma cutter, laser....I'm not sure! Anyone been there & seen how they do it?

I've seen how they do it, and it's a crazy mess :)

But yeah, it's done by hand and takes a looooong time. I wish we could sell them individually for cheaper, but it's just not possible. We' ll be posting some photos of a RYCA a guy put together with the stock tank next week.

I think the important thing is to not get hung up on one thing for too long. Keep the project moving. Momentum is everything.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by LANCER on 03/29/13 at 19:40:57

6D6F7D6B77424F0E0 wrote:

[quote author=64474949574842572E0 link=1364456134/0#11 date=1364561256] They probably
farm out the pieces they weld on, so their laser cut, & then have a pattern/go-no-go or something for the cut out. Plasma cutter, laser....I'm not sure! Anyone been there & seen how they do it?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 03/29/13 at 20:51:49

Thanks Casey!
Inspired by you guys, for sure!
I'm positive it's labor intensive!
It's really cool to have someone like you comment.

Motivation is the key! Will. Not. Stall.

22203224380D00410 wrote:

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by rfw2003 on 03/29/13 at 21:56:22

Sorry to hijack the thread with this question, but here I go 8-)

Speaking of Cast wheels, Anyone know of any matching cast wheels that fit where the rear has a right hand disk brake that will physically fit? Yes I know I'll have to fab up mounts for the the caliper and master cyl. but that shouldn't be to difficult. I'm guessing the rear would be a 16" so the matching front would most likely be a 21" to keep the symmetry of from the stock setup. I plan on doing a chain conversion anyways so the fact that most I've seen with the rear disc having the right hand disc being a chain drive isn't an issue for me.

Just right now I can't think of a way from looking at it how it would be possible to convert the stock wheel to a disk brake with the way the drum brake system is mounted.

R.F.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by WD on 03/29/13 at 22:55:17

Easiest is Harley Davidson if you want a 21/16 or 19/16 or 16/16. FX series.

Want to stay spoked instead? Chain drive VT1100, late 90s or newer.

Either way, you get to play "fit the tiny axle into the big bike wheels". Savage has a 5/8" (16mm) axle.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gyrobob on 03/30/13 at 03:33:28

Why do you want a disc brake on the rear?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by rfw2003 on 03/30/13 at 14:32:52

5F616A777A777A180 wrote:

Why do you want a disc brake on the rear?

1. I just like the looks of the rear disc.
2. I just want to be different
3. if I had a full hydraulic brake system I could come up with a way to combine the brakes like they are on some of the newer bikes so that with the front brake lever it activates both the front and rear brakes at the same time.

R.F.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 03/30/13 at 16:06:25

Fwiw: a fraction of the best pavement racers use the rear brake. Many of us lack the foot sensitivity to modulate it accurately. Several of my race bikes haven't even had a functional rear brake. I've been known the pry to pads all the way back, so there's no drag on the rear wheel. I have 2 rear brake positions; stomped on, & off. So I don't bother. I've done a ton of miles on big bagger Harley's, & those are totally different, with a GVWR approach 1k lbs. on most bikes, for most people, it's difficult.
A linked system is even worse. A car pulls out in front of you, you grab a strong handful of front brake.....the front dives, the rear unweights....more brake pressure is applied to an unweighted tire, & before you know it, you have a locked up, skidding tire that's trying to come out from under you. Not good.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by rfw2003 on 03/30/13 at 16:27:02

well the linked braking is just an idea I had, don't know if I would actually do it or not, as it could be very interesting on test rides getting it setup properly. Yes I do realize the possibilities of rear wheel lockup on emergency braking so if I did do a linked braking system I would tend to set it up on the light side for the rear so that even under really heavy braking it would be just shy of locking up the rear wheel.

R.F.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gentlemanjim on 04/06/13 at 02:26:27

I'm very interested in the cast wheel swap. Which KZ wheels and what size are they? I prefer 17" or 18", a 19" Front is ok with a 18" or 17" rear. Your advice will be greatly appreciated.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 04/08/13 at 03:19:18

Finished swing arm mods, tonight. Got the divot out of the cross brace & a piece of sheet metal welded in. Looks pretty good. Here's a bad pic, more to follow.

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/EDEB2535-CC99-4EC5-9151-8A2A0377732D-1024-0000009BBA050604.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 04/08/13 at 16:32:18

04262D372F262E222D292A2E430 wrote:

I'm very interested in the cast wheel swap. Which KZ wheels and what size are they? I prefer 17" or 18", a 19" Front is ok with a 18" or 17" rear. Your advice will be greatly appreciated.

These are KZ1300 wheels, but the "KZ-wheel-ology" is extremely convoluted, so just do research. They changed & shared axle sizes, rotor, sprocket carriers, etc, etc, seemingly at will & on a regular basis.
I don't even have a front brake rotor yet, or know which caliper I'm going to use......but I'll make it work. These are not "bolt on", I can tell you that. ;)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 04/15/13 at 00:17:14

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/0C06DC75-CC34-4080-BF43-8803A86ADEC4-2363-0000018BB573B127.jpg

18" tire clearance.

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/7307965C-747D-48BA-8E5C-5060A6AADD0D-2363-0000018BB816AE69.jpg

Different bars, not what I'll use, but gives me a better feel for what's going on. Getting closer. Hope to have welding done this week, & then to PC.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 04/15/13 at 00:18:15

waiting on seat loop. :-/

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/03/13 at 22:51:12

Update: of course nothing ever goes as fast as we want it to, or in my case, as fast as life allows! I currently have 85% of the parts fabricated. I've been waiting on my seat loop to finish some ideas & making some parts. Well, it got here! The delay was more about me than anything! Deciding a width, length, etc! Anyways, I got it! I'm borrowing a TIG welder this next week from work, & should have everything welded up by next weekend. I'm stoked! It doesn't look like much progress, but I feel like it's ready to explode!
Ordered some tires, rear sets, bars, & possibly a front rotor from Speedmotoco. I say "possibly" because it has a 5 week lead time from Spain! Not sure I can wait that long, so Brian is researching some alternatives for me.

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null-2.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null-1.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null-3.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gyrobob on 05/04/13 at 04:41:31

You might want to check the clearance between the tire and these bolts when the swingarm is up against full compression of the shocks. On my CS-1, the bolts there were digging into my precious Avon Speedmaster 4.00-18 tire.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/RYCA%20CS-1%20LS650%20S40%20Savage/tirerubboltRYCAscrambler01_zps64b96d21.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/Gyrobob_theOriginal/media/Motorcycle/RYCA%20CS-1%20LS650%20S40%20Savage/tirerubboltRYCAscrambler01_zps64b96d21.jpg.html)

When I first put the thing together, the tire rubbed on the swingarm. I thought I had fixed everything when I hogged out the swingarm some more. See Double RYCA Build thread reply #237 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1304722902/237

But then, after I got a little more clearance so the tire would not rub on the swingarm, the bolts circled in red on the pic of your scrambler above, started digging into it. So, I countersunk the holes in the panel, made some 8mm bolts with countersunk heads and reinstalled. You can't get a whole lot of torque with a flat screwdriver, and you run the risk of mucking up the screwdriver slot, so I just screwed it in moderately tight with a screwdriver, then gave it a couple of taps with an impact wrench to make it secure. Locktite is nice, as well.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/RYCA%20CS-1%20LS650%20S40%20Savage/RYCAtirerubbolt7a_zpsdadfffdc.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/Gyrobob_theOriginal/media/Motorcycle/RYCA%20CS-1%20LS650%20S40%20Savage/RYCAtirerubbolt7a_zpsdadfffdc.jpg.html)

I'll be posting the whole procedure for making this mod in the Double RYCA Build thread shortly.

Sorry for the fuzzy pic,... it is from a phone.
:P

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/04/13 at 06:03:50

Thanks for the heads up!
I was going to use button heads. hopefully they clear!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/04/13 at 06:04:38

& do you have longer shocks? Or stock length?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gyrobob on 05/04/13 at 07:56:53

74575959475852473E0 wrote:

& do you have longer shocks? Or stock length?

I am using the shocks that came with the kit. The swingarm is standard length but was modified by RYCA to fit a tire on an 18" wheel. Then I had to modify it some more to get sufficient clearance, as shown in the Double RYCA build thread.

See reply #142 here: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1297565987/135 This belt adjustment procedure is something you'll want to know.

Ryan tells me the shocks are 11" compressed and 13" extended.

I thought about using buttonheads too, but these were quicker and have a little more clearance.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/04/13 at 13:07:26

I have already read your entire build. Nice swing arm repair, BTW. :)
You're A&P?

I intend to use longer shocks, but for me- more importantly- something with slightly more adjustability. Or better adjustability. So I can set
my preload a little more accurate. I don't expect precision steering, or line holding ability from this chassis.....or the tires, but keeping rubber off of metal would be nice. ;)

I clearanced my swing arm myself. Hopefully it's enough! :o

& I'm going to chain drive. If for no other reason than the belt drive looks so out of place after the transformation.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by 87 savage on 05/04/13 at 16:56:47

Totally cool project/build Jiggyfly! Like the scrambler approach. Great pics, very interesting, keep em coming. :) :)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gyrobob on 05/04/13 at 19:24:46

Yes, A&P, but never earned a living at it.

What is the diameter of your rear wheel? What is the clearance between wheel and the inside of the swingarm?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gentlemanjim on 05/05/13 at 03:49:18

Great info here and a great project. I'm building the Bobster (kind of Sportster and bobber look) But very intrigued by these one lungers and hope to do a scrambler/Street Tracker version too.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/05/13 at 16:44:53

Thanks for the encouraging words, all!
The wheels are 18", & my tires will be here this next week, so I won't know until then on clearance. I wanted 18" DT tires, but my understanding is that their rare as hens teeth! If I find them, I may end up with 2 sets of wheels! :D

I'm A&P, as well, but never worked on a/c outside of military.
I am a mechanic, though.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/06/13 at 16:16:32

I got the crossing brackets welded up, & the bracket supporting the front of the seat loop made. I'm not sure why, but I want this to be removable. Most of the time I see these welded in place.
Hopefully my tires & rearsets are here this week.

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null-8.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null-9.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by OldSport on 05/15/13 at 08:01:07

Wheels? Are they from a GS550? If not what, and what kind of fit problems are you having? I am doing a similar project and I think I want to have a rear disk break. another post I was looking at suggested 79-81 GS550 wheels.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gyrobob on 05/15/13 at 11:50:54

I hope your rear disc does not, in fact, break.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/15/13 at 12:57:49

The wheels are Kawasaki KZ wheels. 18", & what KZ wheels, & what year is still up for debate!

I'm having issues with getting a front brake rotor, at the moment.
(That was for you GyroBob! :))

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/15/13 at 12:59:21

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/75402551-4B0B-4777-AC80-4B40E8A4C78C-1979-0000013ACB67B092.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by OldSport on 05/16/13 at 10:49:42

I found a post the other day that mentioned 79-81 GS550 wheels would work. I want to put a disk on the back. I have purchased a rear wheel off an 81 model. We will see how close the fit is. The wheel is a 17 in wheel. I was watching Cafe Racer the other night, an old episode and they were rebuilding a Triumph Matise cafe, the reason I mention this is that they left a part off and the rear wheel didn't fit. The part was a braket to mount the rear caliper. It was a flange with a cut out for the rear axel and a long arm to lock it into place, this was all one flat piece. I think I can replicate this using the rear foot peg hole to locate the end of the arm. you can see my build at:

http://thelycanproject.blogspot.com

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/19/13 at 00:29:22

Checked it out, looks great!!!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/19/13 at 00:31:15

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/C30ADE39-F043-4F74-97B3-18E2ECC78775-1194-000001076691EEBD.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/6B3AD75C-F274-42BE-94C6-C7B83C039B0C-1194-000001077DDC24B8.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/19/13 at 23:45:32

I think I'm happy with the existing "stance", & will likely run stock length shocks, or very close to it.
I also finished my foot peg brackets & polishing tonight.
More pics to follow! I'm pretty happy with how things have gone thus far!
Next, need front brake rotor, & I think a front brake bracket concludes my bigger fabrication.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/20/13 at 16:10:40

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/477F2C03-8D3A-4B5F-A03A-77B6AE7AFCC7-2602-000002026795EB6D.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/CFD756FF-C070-4D92-8D14-BC6C95D51EDC-2602-0000020279234C84.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/8553AB25-9B8B-4532-8371-641103D82479-2602-0000020292CF7E4D.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/3C0F1972-4571-4EF6-9C92-C032401F4950-2602-000002037D49A9DB.jpg

The "extra" tab on the backside of the foot pegs is going to be for an exhaust mount.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by ToesNose on 05/20/13 at 16:22:03

The project is coming along nicely Jiggy ;)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gyrobob on 05/21/13 at 03:30:33

That seat pan looks a little flimsy.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/21/13 at 03:40:47

.......& not very comfy. ;D :D

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 05/22/13 at 17:09:51

& with front tire....... Seat tube height is 27"

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/03539470-4C49-4C38-82F8-0E83B269E165-555-0000004AD740F1E1.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 07/05/13 at 22:16:36

It's been awhile.....but I've been at it as much as I could be!

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null-20.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null-21.jpg

Frame, wheels, seat loop, & a few other things powder coated.
New shocks, footpegs & shifter, newer engine tossed in.
Still a ways to go.....but making progress in some way, almost every day.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Toroso on 07/05/13 at 22:36:04

Coming along nicely!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 07/07/13 at 20:26:54

Thanks!

Mocked up my chain today, & thankfully it clears the footpeg bracket nicely.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 07/17/13 at 10:21:00

As we sit, today.

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null-23.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by mtlsir on 07/17/13 at 10:36:15

it's really nice what you've done! thumbs up

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by SavageCat on 07/17/13 at 13:13:29

Wheels look the balls, just the balls. Looking forward to seeing the final product!!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 07/18/13 at 16:06:53

To fender, or not to fender.....

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null-27.jpg

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null-26.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/18/13 at 22:07:10

Ive always believed that if motorcycles came off the line w/o fenders, everyone would be upset.. dirt, water, dirt & water mixed ( Yep, mud) stuff flies off tires, so
I am a Defender of de fenders,

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by strang on 07/19/13 at 02:37:23

Keep the fender - it looks the business and a bit different.
Change the tank and I'll buy one ;)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Toroso on 07/19/13 at 05:33:24

Not really a fan of the cafe racer thing but this is looking sweet. Love the wheels and tires. What kind of handlebars are those?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by SavageCat on 07/19/13 at 05:42:19

Fender adds to the flow of the look i think, seems to balance out the tank. I say keep it!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gyrobob on 07/19/13 at 06:15:06

1E25382539254A0 wrote:

Not really a fan of the cafe racer thing but this is looking sweet. Love the wheels and tires. What kind of handlebars are those?

What does THIS bike have to do with a café racer?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Toroso on 07/19/13 at 06:26:30

S'cuse me! Don't know jack about cafe racers. But this looks just like all the builds being CALLED cafe racers.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by WD on 07/19/13 at 06:59:42

417A677A667A150 wrote:

Not really a fan of the cafe racer thing but this is looking sweet. Love the wheels and tires. What kind of handlebars are those?

Euro bars. Superbike bars. Tracker bars.

Have also seen them called Eurosport, Eurotour, Commando...

http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/c1/buy/m-c-parts/ everything and more that you could ever want for a custom build, including 1" to 7/8" riser reducers...

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by WD on 07/19/13 at 07:07:15

Cafe racers almost invariably have clubman or clip on bars, bumpstop seat/tail, and good tires. Trackers tend to have tracker bars and a flat or slightly upswept seat, and street knobbies (TT) or other vintage tire tread patterns. With a lot of style blending these days...

Look through the pics in this sub-section, http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?board=49.0

Higher end finish work than most Savages could ever dream of having done to them.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gyrobob on 07/19/13 at 16:00:45

063D203D213D520 wrote:

S'cuse me! Don't know jack about cafe racers. But this looks just like all the builds being CALLED cafe racers.

I like what you said about not knowing jack about café racers. That explains it.

Saying a "scrambler" type of bike is like a café racer is like saying a hopped up dune buggy is like a Corvette.

Below are pics of two bikes which use the same frame and motor. One is set up as a scrambler and one as a café racer.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/Miscellaneous/scrambler_2009_popup_1b_zps1f4e3443.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/Gyrobob_theOriginal/media/Motorcycle/Miscellaneous/scrambler_2009_popup_1b_zps1f4e3443.jpg.html)

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/Miscellaneous/triumphcaferacer01b_zps94ffce46.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/Gyrobob_theOriginal/media/Motorcycle/Miscellaneous/triumphcaferacer01b_zps94ffce46.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by gizzo on 07/19/13 at 17:25:58

Wow, that Triumph looks sweet 8-)! Drum front, awesome! I love it.
Jiggy's scrambler, also sweet. I like the back fender on, and a bit longer than it is now. My 2c, YMMV etc.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by 87 savage on 07/19/13 at 18:07:52

Fender, definitely fender!!! :) :)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gyrobob on 07/19/13 at 18:45:15

43595D5F5E605142444259545755300 wrote:

Wow, that Triumph looks sweet 8-)! Drum front, awesome! I love it.
Jiggy's scrambler, also sweet. I like the back fender on, and a bit longer than it is now. My 2c, YMMV etc.

I like that drum brake too. I'm toying with putting a Suzuki 4LS drum brake from the early GT750 water buffalo on my RYCA CS-1.

Functionally it would be a silly thing to do because it is heavier than the Savage set up, and it would be a lot of work.

I doubt it would have any more stopping power, either. The Savage front brake, with a braided hose and proper pads works pretty stinkin' well for a street bike.

The big honkin' aluminum lump of a 4LS drum brake just has more "period cool" for a bike that is supposed to reflect the mechanical persona of the 1960's.

Jiggyfly, I'm not suggesting anything at all, but I was wondering if you have considered using a drum brake, maybe from a Suzuki or other jap bike from the 1960's. Most scramblers in those days had drums.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by gizzo on 07/19/13 at 20:12:05

Yes, that would be a super cool look on the Ryca, for sure. And a lot less $$ than a Fontana or a Menani.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 07/19/13 at 21:03:04

If I did wire spoked wheels, it's definitely the direction I would've taken.
With the cast wheels, it's a no-go.
Plus you can polish & machine/vent drum brakes & the look super cool, & still period correct.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Gyrobob on 07/20/13 at 05:22:11

1B38363628373D28510 wrote:

Those cast wheels ARE cool. Plus, after having spent maybe a hundred hours truing five spoked wheels in the Double RYCA Build, doing anymore spoked wheel work is not on my list of fun projects anymore,... so I envy your wheel-maintenance advantages.

This is just MY opinion, of course, but when you do set up a disc brake for the front, to stay with the persona of the scrambler, I'd go with the disc brake setup that had the least amount of "visual mass." IOW, I'd use something relatively small and simple.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by njrmahoney on 08/20/13 at 12:01:19

More photos please, I need to see some progress.
Where can I get that seat hoop?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by WD on 08/20/13 at 13:04:02

Same place you first stumbled on the build, DTT. Look in the selling section. Or Dime City Cycles and several other vendors. Even Omar's if you catch the staff in a remotely civil mood...

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by njrmahoney on 08/20/13 at 17:15:29

All those hoops seem to short. I will take another look

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by WD on 08/20/13 at 19:33:18

Location? I only ask because they are not difficult to fabricate, all you need is some tubing and a good bender. You can borrow mine if you are close enough.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by njrmahoney on 08/28/13 at 16:20:56

I am in Providence RI. I would love to find that same hoop, it looks to be the perfect width also. Rides just outside the frame rather than on top.
I have an EMT bender. I suppose I could practice on some cheap tubing.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 09/03/13 at 00:49:22

so my latest update is that not a lot has happened recently. (I did receive my rear sprocket and machine the rear cush to accept the stainless steel socket head cap screw that I really wanted to use!)
working a lot of hours, and "managing" a 4 year old and 1 year old boy in most of my "off" time doesnt allow me much garage time.
that, and my boss kinda jumped my tushy about all of the government work i was doing. WTF?! time to look for a different job! LOL! (just kidding)
regardless, I'm soldiering on, and have what should be the remainder of my parts ordered. I'm sure I'll still need the odd and end part, bolt, fastener here or there..... as well as I plan on going to a aftermarket carb, but thats likely to be a later modification.
after my boxes (and boxes!) arrive, all that should be left is a seat covering, and paint. I fabbed up a plate to weld over the obnoxious "glory hole" that Suzuki calls "gauge placement", and that should happen this week. I'm really contemplating a replacement bung and screw in cap. I went with an RFID ignition, and a simple screw on cap would allow me to be keyless. (so that could be something else I order!) The last part I should have to fab is my brake offset arm. The KZ wheel runs a significantly larger rotor, so I'll have to make the bracket grow. That might change over the winter, as well...... I have ideas of a beautiful Brembo hanging from the front end, or possibly a replacement front end all together. I really feel that the front end is the real limiting factor in many aspects with this platform. You cant replace the tubes with a like diameter, you cant drop the front end, theres no adjustment, and with no true pinch on the top triple clamp, theres a lot of twisting going on there. add rubber mounted bars, and the front end feels like spaghetti!

parts coming include: exhaust, header wrap, 7/8" bar switches, front rotor, tail light, front sprocket, chain, and a few other small things.

I cant wait to hear the UPS truck, pics to follow!!!!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 09/29/13 at 00:30:44

Tail light
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null_zpsf3e65690.jpg

Kickstand bracket
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null_zps197e3076.jpg
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null_zpsc8258af4.jpg

Front brake rotor, EBC pro lite
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null_zps35c0f3c0.jpg

Build distraction- Suzuki Bandit-1200cc muscle bike
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/JiggyFly6/null_zps0dd5206f.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by jcstokes on 09/29/13 at 01:18:36

So what size is the vintage Firestone thingy, there's a guy in the café looking for "Darkside"? info on this type of tyre.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Jiggyfly on 09/29/13 at 08:14:43

They're readily available in 16"-19".
Call Brian @ Speedmotoco
Knows his shtuff, & he's pretty fast!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by Doody814 on 09/30/13 at 08:31:11

I'm digging the look of the rear shocks. Are those just stock, with the lower covers removed (and painted black, obviously)? If so, how'd ya get em off?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by verslagen1 on 09/30/13 at 09:04:18

0F24242F32737A7F4B0 wrote:

I'm digging the look of the rear shocks. Are those just stock, with the lower covers removed (and painted black, obviously)? If so, how'd ya get em off?

You have to compress them, then there's a clip on the top take out and then they come all apart like a can of snakes. :-?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by strang on 04/05/14 at 10:03:30

reading over this build again - could it be possible to get a spacer/attachment plate machined so that you could attach the savage pulley hub to the kz400 sprocket holes? That way you get mag + pulley which would be the ultimate in my book.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by WD on 04/05/14 at 11:15:01

Easier to just use a KZ440 wheel then. Which were available with belt or chain.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler build
Post by ohiomoto on 08/26/16 at 06:52:32

It's a shame Jiggyfly is selling this. I would love to see it finished. One on the better looking builds and it even uses the stock tank. It has that "BSR SR400" look I'm headed towards on my bike.