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Title: Hubris... Post by Serowbot on 02/19/13 at 00:49:35 Anybody else catch this?... ...(nothing new to me,.. but, it put a bow on the story)... Over a 100,000 deaths,.. including nearly 5,000 US soldiers, and a trillion dollars spent,... on a premeditated, deception... I believe this will rank among the most treasonous acts in history,... (once the central characters are gone)... ... beautifully, iconic, poster... seems to summarize the character of each conspirator... http://ecolocalizer.com/files/2013/02/hubris.jpg |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by WebsterMark on 02/19/13 at 04:51:56 I think you need a wider angle lens on your camera to catch all those central characters. . You cut out of the picture current VP Joe Biden, your hero Max Cleland (who said he voted for it to save his own ass), Daschle, Dodd, future candidate and famous flip flopper John Kerry, thingy Gephart, Henry Waxman, Harold Ford, Robert Wexler and Mr. Personality himself, Harry Reid. Maybe they are hidden in the background, but where’s Colin Powell, the UN, Britain, France and Germany’s intelligence agencies? Careful walking backwards while taking your picture because you could trip over the mass graves of tens of thousands, but for the most part, you’ll walk right over them because we don’t even know how many there are. Maybe you could turn the camera around so we could see the thousands of dead Kurds including the women holding their babies in those awful death poses.... |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by WebsterMark on 02/19/13 at 05:02:06 Hubris? You want hubris? Obama: “We all have to make sacrifices…” Obama's sacrifice: his second vacation of the year so far; cost of Air Force One trips to and from Florida, along with hotel rooms, greens fees and exclusive golf lessons comes to $989,207 |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by bill67 on 02/19/13 at 05:20:44 At the same time in GWB presidency he had spend 3 times as many days on vacations,As Obama. :o Air Force One really had a workout.Web wake up and smell the coffee. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/19/13 at 05:40:30 Yea Web,, let Bill bring ya a cup! BOTH SIDES SUCK< Bammy is sinking us further & faster than anyone. Seems to be the new normal, every one is worse than the last,& worse then bush aint an easy task, |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 02/19/13 at 06:03:46 77686E6974734272427A68642F1D0 wrote:
Well opinions ... everyone has 3-4000 ... Obama better than bush when the republicons let him is mine ... More importantly Obama better than Both McCain and Mitt RMoney - the 2 options available ... Comparing a hypothetical (say Ron paul) to Obama is baseless. If he wasn't on the ticket, you dont get the right to call him ... your choice was to put or not put him on the ticket ... you chose not to. End of story. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/19/13 at 06:33:07 YOu dont get to tell me what I can & cant use for comparison, end of story. McCain woulda sucked, Romney woulda sucked. Neither side wants anyone like Ron Paul. The elite who actually make the decisions dont want him., He cant be controlled. He would obey the law & enforce the law & America would change, Much for the better. That cant be allowed, |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 02/19/13 at 06:54:51 7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:
Fair enough, in light of your next statement. 7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:
Yes and yes, and Obama sucks less IMHO. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by 12Bravo on 02/19/13 at 07:40:53 As a country, we have been voting for the lesser of two evils for way too long. IMO, it doesn't matter if they have a 'D' or 'R' after their name, the majority of politicians aren't worth a darn. They have all forgotten that they are suppose to represent the people. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 02/19/13 at 07:49:07 6A6919293A2D345B0 wrote:
Maybe, maybe not ... however every type of democracy in the world seems to be afflicted with this problem. Maybe a run off style ... start with 10 or 15 ... but then we'll have 10-15 rich guys on the first run, they will squeeze the rest out ... I would say the lesser of 2 evil philosophy is a inherent problem with democracy. In fact its preferable to have that over the rich guys with an axe to grind situation. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/19/13 at 10:52:34 we are not a democracy |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by 12Bravo on 02/19/13 at 14:44:04 The founding fathers created our government as a republic. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Serowbot on 02/19/13 at 16:57:20 696A1A2A392E37580 wrote:
Might be a good idea, if they changed that... One man, one vote... I think it's time... The founders only made it a republic to appease the southern slave owners... |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 02/19/13 at 18:43:04 5741564B53464B50240 wrote:
Might be a good idea, if they changed that... One man, one vote... I think it's time... The founders only made it a republic to appease the southern slave owners... [/quote] No form of democracy is perfect ... or heck even any better really than ours. Ask the brits, ask Indians, ask the french, ask germans ... The run off style could work, but we'll have 10-15 rich guys start out in the primary and goes to the richest guy from there. Its a vote for who's the richest more than who's the best. Maybe that may work ... after all some countries in africa swear by it >:( Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Trippah on 02/19/13 at 19:57:45 I do not think a Democracy is a good idea...Good 'eavens, the mob is seldom right about anything, nor does it take a thoughtful look at any issue. No, a Republic at least allows people of some means with some education and time to study issues....that they take care of their own can be expected, thus the Supremes to make sure they others stay on the right music page. No thanks, the only one man one vote system I'd like would be the one where I am the 1 man. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Trippah on 02/19/13 at 19:58:59 ps.. that pictue is of the Real Axis of Evil. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by ZAR on 02/22/13 at 19:43:17 3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:
Agreed! |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by ZAR on 02/22/13 at 19:52:48 5B7D667F7F6E670F0 wrote:
I have to disagree Trip! I may not have a college degree and I'm sure as Hell not rich, but I want my vote. Until we can eliminate all the lobbyist moneys and the "lifetime" congress positions I trust no one in Washington. Not even our very good Congressman Mitch McConnell from right here in Kentucky! Well......Come to think of it....I do have a lot of trust and faith in Rand Paul. So far he's doing a good job of looking out for America! |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/22/13 at 20:56:58 Rand is no Ron,,, I dont trust him. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 02/23/13 at 14:51:43 627D7B7C61665767576F7D713A080 wrote:
Correct. Ron Paul was the Reagan of this millenium, 2008 should have been Ron Paul vs Obama, and we'd have a second term RP by now. BTW, he'd have shredded the constitution ... but you need to remember, we are not a charity ... I mean the USA (not savage forum) isn't a charity, - give us your tired your poor your hungry your huddled masses - yea sounds like a good plan to get something like cholera or malaria ... not a way to get a good country working. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/13 at 18:28:29 Wow,, I agree about RP being p[res, but shred the Big C? How ya figger? I doubt he woulda lived to be seated behind the desk had he been elected.. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 05:02:50 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
14th in particular, but see if he takes out the 14th, the next set of politicians will start with their favorite, the 4th, the 2nd, 1st etc. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/13 at 10:47:02 The 4th is pretty well done for now, the way I see it., But, the 14th has 5 sections. YOu saying he would just wipe it out? Why? & with what support? Im not gettin it,,I Am aware of his stance on the Civil Rights thing & I understand it, as a Libertarian, ALLOW people to discriminate, it IS their business. Allow people to be as mean and nasty as they want to be to potential customers. Society will not support racist businesses, I dont believe, anyway,., |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 11:51:31 Ron Paul wanted to repeal the 14th, or atleast the right of citizenship to anyone who's born here. That should be predicated upon the legal status of the parents as per RP. I would think that pretty much turns that 14th on its head. You think if he gets the 14th repealed, the rest of em are going to be safe ? OK some of em will be, but 1, 2, 4, have all come under serious attack of late. In spite of that in 08 he'd have won IMHO. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/13 at 13:34:27 He was just saying the anchor babies shouldnt be allowed. I agree. If my wife had a baby in Mexico, it wouldnt be a citizen of Mexico & suddenly me & my wife able to stay,,thers a reason for their policy. OUrs is insanity,,The Founding Fathers didnt see that one coming,,of course, there was no welfare system to be abused then, either, |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/01/13 at 15:35:15 213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:
Right right right, and makes you wonder what else the founders could have been wrong about. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/02/13 at 18:24:55 Way to fail to grasp the part about "There was no UNconstitutional welfare system" Why would they make the point back then? When they wrote it, there was mass immigration. People were coming from places to Become Americans. To make their way in the world. Not to come here, plop a baby down & declare themselves "citizens" & stick their hands out & demand a check from me & everyone else who works for a living., Its not a surprise what you wrote. I fully expected it. Its exactly "You" to play such a snotty little game. How about you go ahead. Youve got a fair knowledge of the words in the Big C,, go ahead. Tell me what they got wrong.,&, BTW, THEY didnt write the 14th amendment,,It was 1868 when that was ratified. Im pretty sure there was no welfare system in place then, either. & No One ever expected such, its completely Unamerican. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/03/13 at 07:24:05 There is a lot of the constitution that have got out of tune with our present system/s ... mainly because the C was incomplete or we have selectively circumvented it. 14th is 1 obvious one. They didn't think we will put in a public welfare system and there fore get abused. 1st, 2nd, 4th have all got technology ahead of them making it near impossible, irrelevant or really overbearing, or all of those to excercise. I am not playing any "snotty little game" ... but seriously if you drop the 14th, there will be hordes of people protesting it as well as the rest of the constitution and its amendments. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/03/13 at 07:33:32 The anchor baby thing needs done away with. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Paraquat on 03/04/13 at 09:21:11 The American dream that I was programmed to believe is that if you work hard to will be rewarded rightly. Not if you drop a baby off over an imaginary line you're set for life. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/04/13 at 10:21:08 4D7C6F7C6C687C691D0 wrote:
This is america - If you work hard you'd be taxed stiffly ... unless you're uber rich in which case you'd be taxed say 13% but you can buy yourself a few politicians and get them to sign a pledge and then hold it over them a few decades ... You drop a baby over the line, you're set for life, further both the political parties will be tripping over themselves to kow tow to you ... you're now a "demographic" Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Krowl on 03/14/13 at 08:41:40 I did not know so many liberals ride savages. This sucks! |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/13 at 20:11:02 Na... doesn't suck. It's kinda fun.... it a perverse sort of way. Sort of like looking at a trainwreck..... the horror is captivating. You can't believe it's right in front of you.... you only hear about such things, but you don't always see it in person... |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/15/13 at 04:06:17 On this forum there is a losing battle being fought by liberals. In the real world it wasn't even close. For example - before the election liberals were getting beaten black and blue. On election night ... you know done and dusted 11pm. Sorry, too many republicon supporters as a proportion ride savages as compared to the general voting population. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/20/13 at 17:12:48 635A475F44280 wrote:
;D You said what I was thinking!! Isn't the allure of a motorcycle the freedom one experiences when riding out on the open road? It does seem ironic that those who embrace the shackles of socialism would also gravitate towards motorcycle riding. On the plus side, most of the riders I have interacted with either are openly conservative or don't talk about their liberal religion. :) So, I wouldn't worry too much. :) |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Midnightrider on 03/20/13 at 17:17:21 http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/iraq-war-vet-letter-bush-cheney-tomas-young-154541674.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-8C-rs8Jh4 |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/21/13 at 07:48:59 7B5E515A7E53535A513F0 wrote:
;D You said what I was thinking!! Isn't the allure of a motorcycle the freedom one experiences when riding out on the open road? It does seem ironic that those who embrace the shackles of socialism would also gravitate towards motorcycle riding. On the plus side, most of the riders I have interacted with either are openly conservative or don't talk about their liberal religion. :) So, I wouldn't worry too much. :)[/quote] It does seen very very Ironic that the republicons who want the freedom to die when they get into a crash seem to embrace the riskiest way to travel ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/21/13 at 09:26:22 45445F5857425E360 wrote:
;D You said what I was thinking!! Isn't the allure of a motorcycle the freedom one experiences when riding out on the open road? It does seem ironic that those who embrace the shackles of socialism would also gravitate towards motorcycle riding. On the plus side, most of the riders I have interacted with either are openly conservative or don't talk about their liberal religion. :) So, I wouldn't worry too much. :)[/quote] It does seen very very Ironic that the republicons who want the freedom to die when they get into a crash seem to embrace the riskiest way to travel ... Cool. Srinath. [/quote] Umm...what? Are you saying I want the freedom to die in a motorcycle crash so I choose the riskiest way to travel so that my want will come true? I don't think your post came out right, please clarify. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/21/13 at 10:02:37 40646963646A65797F6469687F0D0 wrote:
Very sad story, I have a Brother and Cousin who were in the military in Iraq and have relatives in Afganistan right now as contractors. This is a perfect example of the disconnect between what is real and what is believed and the reason I refer to socialism/liberalism and environmentalism as a religion. A common factor in Religion and BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) is that facts aren't necessary becaust the tenets of liberalism/Religion/BDS etc. are all about belief. Global warming rallys cancelled due to snow won't deter the faithful. All the Kurds who died from chemical weapons won't deter the faithful from believing Saddam had no . Some exerpts: "I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power." -He has a right to be very bitter but he is directing it at the wrong target. " I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States." -The facts are Al Qaeda has training camps in Iraq. Iraq invaded Kuwait. Again beliefs override facts. There is a lot more but I just don't have the time. The link was dropped without any explanation, possibly for dramatic effect, so I felt compelled to add some context. Again, a very sad story made even more so by Mr. Youngs belief structure overriding the facts. Another example of how brutal and unfair life can be. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Serowbot on 03/21/13 at 11:03:04 76535C57735E5E575C320 wrote:
It's interesting that when people follow the facts and science that is accepted by 99% of scientists and historians,... there are a fringe of people that call it a religion... ...and they believe they are correct... ... with what I would call, a religious fervor... Look up the definition of religion... It will tell you that it is belief based on faith rather than science and facts... Believing the consensus opinion of the world scientific community,.. cannot be defined as a "religious" belief... Referring to science as a religion, is Right-wing Hyperbole... |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/21/13 at 13:47:27 4C5A4D50485D504B3F0 wrote:
It's interesting that when people follow the facts and science that is accepted by 99% of scientists and historians,... there are a fringe of people that call it a religion... ...and they believe they are correct... ... with what I would call, a religious fervor... Look up the definition of religion... It will tell you that it is belief based on faith rather than science and facts... Believing the consensus opinion of the world scientific community,.. cannot be defined as a "religious" belief... Referring to science as a religion, is Right-wing Hyperbole... [/quote] Recall the the quote attributed to Mark Twain "There are lies, there at darn lies and then there are statistics." While it was reported that 97% of scientists believe in global warming, for example, what they didn't tell you was that was out of only 79 responses. When you take a real, scientific poll you get something closer to the following: "That is totally misleading: the 97 percent figure is based on 79 people’s responses! It is instructive to investigate other, larger surveys. For instance, only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. Nearly two-thirds of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem." http://www.rgj.com/article/20130320/OPED02/303200032/Farley-wrong-about-scientists-warming So, was your "99%" claim based on your faith and belief system or do you have a factual basis for this claim? With regard to Iraq, there is much that we already know and much more that we do not. If you have seen the movie Argo you might be aware that the story behind the movie was classified until recently and the world was allowed to believe the Canadians got our people out. We know Al Qaeda had camps in Iraq and we know that Saddam had WMDs because we witnessed him use them on his own people. It will be very interesting to see what comes out of Freedom of Information in the next 10-20 years. I totally agree with you that agreeing with the concensus of the world's scientific community is not a religious belief. But, believing that there is a concensus of the scientific community is a religious belief because it has no basis in fact. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/21/13 at 15:24:53 Republicons dont believe in no freedom, they believe in the freedom to let the guy die if he had no insurance, of course you have the freedom to not have insurance ... yea so that is a freedom. They believe in the freedom to get shot if you happen to not notice someone about to shoot you, you need to carry @ all times to be protected and guns need to be sold without any checks. They believe in the freedom to go broke and hock everything you got if you got unemployed. And Saddam hussein and Al Quaida were at logger heads before we poked our noses in there. Not all muslims will work together ... its a bigger dividing line between the 2 types of muslims saddam hussein and Bin laden were, its like putting a southern baptist and roman catholic in 1 group. Al Quaida camps in Iraq - you listening to Rush Limbaugh ? and even so, do you know if it was saddam hussein who authorised it, or was it to attack some part of husseins establishment ? WMD against his own people ? you sure ? or are you loosely calling any weapon that can kill more than 2 people a WMD ? he used chemical weapons against the kurds, and parts of Iran - but we were told he had nuclear weapons buddy, by Cheney ... And good you're getting our history from Argo ... I thought you may be getting it from a unreliable source. ;D Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/21/13 at 17:52:18 5253484F405549210 wrote:
That is a pretty broad brush assertion based on a caricature of fiscal conservatism. The point we are trying to make is it is better to have several choices of quality coverage than to have junk coverage forced upon us. Suppose your Obamacare panel decides that you knew the risks when you got on the motorcycle and witholds treatment to ration the care to someone else? Now that care will be rationed on a triage basis I sure hope none of us fall within the "expendable" category. Quote:
Conservatives and Republicans have always maintined that it is better to enforce the laws already in place than to make more unenforceable laws. The Constitution is there to protect Liberty, not public safety. If you want public safety then I suggest a safer country such as North Korea or Iran or even Syria if you live in the pro Assad side of town. Quote:
Again, the whole story has been missed. If businesses weren't saddled with the costs of massive regulatory burdens, taxes, fees, assessments, and long term unemployment claims then there would be enough jobs so that people wouldn't need long term unemployment. It's the system that creates the environment where people go broke. Quote:
I listen to snippets of Rush a few times a year. Unfortunately, his show is on during work hours so I never get to hear him. I just read a lot, apply critical thinking and try to keep an open mind. I bet you if the army of satan were headed our way the Catholic and the Baptist could overcome some phylosophical differences for the time being. Quote:
How about up to 5,000 Kurds in just one attack in Halabja? Joe Wilson told you he had nuclear weapons, it was Bush who relayed intelligence reports that Saddam was investigating purchasing yellow cake uranium. Remember how Joe Wilson railed against words no one ever said to make himself famous? Quote:
Nay, what I was sharing was the story that was the basis for the movie Argo to make the point that there is much classified information that we won't learn for many more years but what we do know for certain is pretty darning as it is. :) |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Midnightrider on 03/21/13 at 19:59:54 They're reshowing Hubris tomorrow (Fri night) at 9 PM. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/21/13 at 20:37:56 You Go, Dane.. good post |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/22/13 at 05:30:24 Dane - You have a lot of opinions there stated as fact. You (repugs) are in the majority in this site. The rest of the world doesn't agree with you, and neither does the rest of the country. The rest of the country believe the republicons are for the rich. The rest of the country believes that businesses rob everyone around them blind, the employees, the local govt and the environment and they wont be creating any jobs unless they can make a killing on the back of someone unfortunate enough to wander into their employ. We need to rein those runaways in. Businesses are not charities. They wont be creating any jobs unless it paid them several fold. So you dont need to go on about Obama care or other regulations. These are all poor excuses. The next thing they'd complain about is the 40hr week and having to pay minimum wages. Or the fact they cant employ illegals if they can just pay them cash under the table on a per piece basis instead of hourly (look it up, it has happened and is even happening) Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/22/13 at 09:46:38 4A4B5057584D51390 wrote:
That was not my intention and I am not one to spout off a whole bunch of unsupported opinions so, by all means, please identify the opinions that were stated as fact. If I cannot back up what I say with real world facts then I will retract my statements. Quote:
Great News!!! [/quote]The rest of the world doesn't agree with you, and neither does the rest of the country.[/quote] That is the trouble with mixing pseudo-religious beliefs with the concept of truths and facts. My politics align with those of the late, great Ronald Reagan and, as I recall, he was quite popular. Quote:
A falacy perpetuated by a liberal media bias that seeks to prop up a failed great liberal hope. This is my opinion, by the way, as the motives of the liberal media cannot be proven 100%. How about we call it a very strong theory with a foundation in reality. Quote:
Again, this is a simplistic view that, in the past, has bee perpetuated by those who push collectivism. With a true enemployment rate (U6 plus labor participation) around 20% in some areas I find it unlikely that someone would wander into employment. But I ask this, why should someone put 80+ hours a week into a small business just to give it all away to some union boss and waste on government? Doesn't a business owner owe it to his employees and customers to run his business is such a manner as to be financially stable enough to maintain his workers and honnor his warranties? Why should I lose my job because the government and unions syphoned so much future capital out of my employer that he was unable to plan ahead more than two months? Maybe if the unions and government reduced the penalties on business then employers could afford more salaries and perks for employees instead of being flushed down the tax hole. Quote:
Your feelings about the legitimacy of these "excuses" is irrelevant because it is what is causing the problem. If everyone in the country disagrees with me then why aren't all businesses forcing maintaining their growth irregardless of the regulatory and tex environment? If the world agrees with you then why is the Eurozone crashing? Quote:
It has been proven that minimum wage laws hurt the young and minorities. This isn't an opinion but a fact and I can provide all the proof you are willing to consume. Quote:
Yes, Conservatives and Republicans are huge fans of illegal immigration. I apologize for the sarcasm but this pretty far out there in relation to the conversation at hand. I think we can agree that the media is skewed greatly to the left. I think it was Jefferson who talked about the dangers of the "people's manners becoming corrupt" and we are seeing it now. The 47% Romney talked about are those people who discovered that they can vote themselves other people money and I can't think of anything more corrupt than that. Nearly half of a population stealing from the rest of the country and future generations in order to live and easy life. Let's see how that works out for Greece, Italy and Spain, not name a few, through the rest of the year. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/13 at 10:39:37 OHH Im Gonna Like this new guy! |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Paraquat on 03/22/13 at 11:09:12 I know, right. Dane - I welcome your arrival here. Not just because Srinath and I disagree so much. ;) --Steve |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/22/13 at 12:26:34 Thanks everyone!! I really appreciate the warm welcome. :) |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/22/13 at 12:34:03 Yea yea yea, see more and more repug garbage will be showered on you ... for your opinions and more BS than I can shovel ... Like this - saddam hussein tried to buy Uranium cakes ... OK so he tried to buy uranium cakes, dude I am trying to buy uranium cakes ... well not, but everyone wants uranium cakes if they can get it secretly, nothing follows from that. There was no bomb or uranium cake found near saddam hossein. Yea these resident wanna be - nay, soon to be millionaires and billionaires are thrilled to get a 90 to 10 majority to a 91- 10 or would that be 9 majority. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/22/13 at 15:03:21 67667D7A75607C140 wrote:
Saddam seeking Yellowcake is not an opinion and I am not sure how he would get his bomb into that rat hole they dug him out of...but I assure you that at no time in my personal history have I been compelled to seek out a source for yellowcake uranium, even secretly, so I am not sure what you mean about everyone wants some. But thank you and kudos to you for acknowledging that he did, in fact, investigate the purchase of uranium, most other democraps can't do that. On one hand, I feel your pain regarding being smothered in people who are diametrically opposed to your viewpoints. 90% of news papers and tv networks spout nothing but the liberal bias. The Obamacare lie, the Benghazi lie, the Sequester lie, the Budget lie, lies and failures too numerous to recall. I left a boat building forum because of all the arrogant, low-information liberals that made enjoyment of that interest near impossible. So, on the other hand I cannot provide much sympathy because this is one of the very few places where conservatism and reason, to your lament, reign supreme. It would be an honor to move this forum to the 91% mark!! |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/13 at 16:38:30 Im not sure, but I do believe the yellowcake thing was a lie. Along wqith most of the "Intelligence". |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/22/13 at 16:54:11 My point was that - Yellowcake - every one wants yellow cake, and they may even say they have yellow cake. Its bravado, the point is we need to be looking around the bluster, not just at the bluster. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/22/13 at 17:00:58 I think Obamacare has a republicon tax or charge. Cos everyone that is complaining about it is a repug. OTOH I got a $334 refund due to the 80-20 rule. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/22/13 at 17:11:17 Yes, no one should feel bad about this issue because there is soo much political misinformation that has been spread about that it is tough to know the facts. Here is something I found with a quick search because I am heading home but I will followup on this as it is a very interesting topic. I could be wrong and will freely admit it if so. The Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was supervising about 500 tons of Saddam's yellow cake uranium stock at the time the tanks rolled into Bagdad under Bush Jr. (Bush Sr. stopped before entering Bagdad if memery serves). All of this is verifiable one way or the other but here is some appetizer information until I can research further. See?? We are all learning ;D From the way back machine: http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/07/about_that_500_tons_of_yellow.html Teaser: "The story begins at the end of the first Gulf War when inspectors found a 500 ton cache of refined yellow cake uranium at Iraq's primary nuclear research facility in Al—Tuwaitha outside of Bagdhad. The cache was part of a huge inventory of nuclear materials discovered by UN inspectors that included low—level radioactive material of the type used for industrial and medical purposes as well as a quantity of highly enriched uranium suitable for bomb production." Teaser 2: "Both the Butler Review and the Senate Select Committee on Pre War Iraq Intelligence (SSCI) point to other efforts by Saddam to purchase uranium, most notably from the Democratic Republic of the Congo . The Butler Review states in 2002 the CIA 'agreed that there was evidence that [uranium from Africa] had been sought.' In the run—up to war in Iraq, the British Intelligence Services apparently believed that Iraq had been trying to obtain uranium from Africa; however, no evidence has been passed on to the IAEA apart from the forged documents." Very exciting!! ;D |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/22/13 at 17:33:04 4A6F606B4F62626B600E0 wrote:
There is so much BS here I am unable to shovel it all as fast as you can spew it ... so lets take these 3. If Republicons aren't fans of illegal immigration why did they provide the previous amnesty - 1985 and why are they pushing the new reform ? Media skewed to the left ? you ever hear or Rush "My house maid told me these pills make my hair grow and I never thought that snorting this white powder can be illegal drugs" Lamebag, or watch any thing on Faux news ? Maybe the media that is reporting balanced you view as skewed to the left cos for you faux news and Rich Lamebagh is balanced ? And the favorite lie of republicons - Tying greece, italy and you forgot Cyprus to the US. There is so many differences ... mainly these - too high debt to GDP - try 2 X ours, and the inability to print currency or set their monetary policy ... We need to stop borrowing and spending, but not when people are willing to lend us at effective -ve rates and not when our economy is anaemic and our infrastructure needs rebuilding and updating and when they can be repaid at any time by running our $$$ press a few mins. Again rich people hate that, and they have told the rest of us that we are "soon to be rich" so we should all hate it. The Joe the plummer analogy. With every additional percentage of the republicon wannabe's that come in here, I can see how many lies of RMoney and Ryan they have swallowed out there ... 47% - isn't that how many people voted for RMoney ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/22/13 at 17:36:42 74515E55715C5C555E300 wrote:
Great, so where are the WMD's from Iraq ? This BS has been so debunked, but I should give credit to bush here, he didn't make up some WMD's and drop em off there. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/13 at 17:50:07 This BS has been so debunked, but I should give credit to bush here, he didn't make up some WMD's and drop em off there. I was always wondering when they would "Find them"..That they just allowed themselves to be shown to be so wrong & YET continued to prosecute that war as IF it was justified & the People had all that info right THERE in their faces & they still supported that WAR!! How completely removed from reality are these people? |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/22/13 at 18:50:57 Its one of those things I believe - or I want to believe - Cheney wanted to "find them". Bush stopped him. I dunno, I think Bush is one of those who will turn into a carter. After leaving office he would keep a low profile and do some good here and there and not be a total loss. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/13 at 19:23:51 You hold him in higher regard than I.. IMO, he is a creep of the highest order |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/22/13 at 20:00:39 2D3234332E2918281820323E75470 wrote:
Who ? Bush ? Well he has kept his mouth shut and stayed out of sight. I have to count that in. In fact since Cheney has not, I'd gladly blame Cheney for all the mistakes. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/13 at 21:15:16 34352E2926332F470 wrote:
Who ? Bush ? Well he has kept his mouth shut and stayed out of sight. I have to count that in. In fact since Cheney has not, I'd gladly blame Cheney for all the mistakes. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] OHH, Who? Bush? Is there REALLY a question? WHO are we talkin about dipshit?> |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/22/13 at 23:26:56 Here is the chronology of the Iraq nuclear situation directly from the IAEA: http://www.iaea.org/OurWork/SV/Invo/chronology.html Here is a document briefly discussing the removal of nuclear materials 2003-2004. Haven't had a chance to really go through all of this but will get to it soon: http://www.iaea.org/OurWork/SV/Invo/reports/s_2004_538.pdf Bush was pretty bad but Obama dwarfs Bush in every regard. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Paraquat on 03/23/13 at 04:56:05 65647F7877627E160 wrote:
The only yellow cake I want has butter cream frosting. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/23/13 at 07:53:55 6F4A454E6A47474E452B0 wrote:
Aaaaah more opinion here I see ... and how many wars based on lies has Obama entered us into ? I see him not entering us into 2 where we should have, cos he doesn't want to over stretch the already over stretched military. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/23/13 at 07:54:54 455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:
Who ? Bush ? Well he has kept his mouth shut and stayed out of sight. I have to count that in. In fact since Cheney has not, I'd gladly blame Cheney for all the mistakes. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] OHH, Who? Bush? Is there REALLY a question? WHO are we talkin about dipshit?>[/quote] Dude take it easy - Just making sure. Yea yea he's a creep alright, but he's staying out of sight ... that's all. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/23/13 at 14:45:57 76776C6B64716D050 wrote:
Aaaaah more opinion here I see ... and how many wars based on lies has Obama entered us into ? I see him not entering us into 2 where we should have, cos he doesn't want to over stretch the already over stretched military. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Yes, that is an opinion, very true. Why are we still in Afganistan? Why is Guantanamo still open? Why are we spending almost 4 trillion a year with nothing to show for it? What happened in Benghazi? If you want to measure lies then I think Obamacare is the biggest of them all. Why did so many the Obamacare supporters request exemptions? What happened to 'if you like your insurance/doctor then you can keep your insurance/doctor?" What happened to Obamacare not adding to the deficit? What happened to Obamacare will lower premiums? What happened to protecting Medicare? What happened to adding 30 million new people wihout ading a dime of cost? Bonus questions: Were you aware that it would take Bush almost 32 years to spend the equivalent of what Obama has spent in his first four years? Are you surprised that most of the corporate bailouts went to those who supported Obama financially or had ties? (i.e. Paulson) Are you aware that White House tours have been cancelled but for $500,000 you can meet with Obama? Were you aware the sequester was Obama's idea, Obama refused all attempts to reduce the impact and that is only reduces the INCREASE in spending from prior year? Just some questions to ponder as you please. :) |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/13 at 15:08:58 Ill be waiting for that Blow by Blow response. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/23/13 at 17:04:54 Why are we still in Afganistan? Cos its a lot easier to start a war than to stop one. Why is Guantanamo still open? Cos its easier to indiscriminately toss people in jail and leave it for the next guy to sort out Why are we spending almost 4 trillion a year with nothing to show for it? Cos Bush sent us into the slide and Obama is just doing his best to keep the situation form getitng worse. What happened in Benghazi? Easy, republicons cut funding to many aspects of the foreign services and are trying to blame it on Obama. If you want to measure lies then I think Obamacare is the biggest of them all. Really ? ... I have a refund of 334 due to the 80-20 rule that says other wise. Why did so many the Obamacare supporters request exemptions? Obama care isn't ideal or perfect. But this BS I have not heard anything about. I heard that the insurance lobby had a huge say in it. That was bad, but I'd have liked to see single payer, which the republicons would have had a heart attack over. What happened to 'if you like your insurance/doctor then you can keep your insurance/doctor?" OK I am still seeing the same doctor I have since 2003. Your point ? What happened to Obamacare not adding to the deficit? Your'e following some funky math I guess. I got $334 that says you are. What happened to Obamacare will lower premiums? As above. That's the 80-20 rule for you. What happened to protecting Medicare? What about it ? What happened to adding 30 million new people wihout ading a dime of cost? Are these the people under 26 ? yea OK so what about it. I dont know what it did personally, cos I am not under 26 nor do I have child near 26. Bonus questions: Were you aware that it would take Bush almost 32 years to spend the equivalent of what Obama has spent in his first four years? War is cheaper to start. Responsibilities are expensive. Bush did a great job of shovelling responsibility onto the next guy. Are you surprised that most of the corporate bailouts went to those who supported Obama financially or had ties? (i.e. Paulson) Paulson was a bush appointee. Are you aware that White House tours have been cancelled but for $500,000 you can meet with Obama? Is that the Sequster side effects ? and you wanna pay 1/2 mill to talk to Obama, maybe your should pay that and talk about Obama care. Were you aware the sequester was Obama's idea, Obama refused all attempts to reduce the impact and that is only reduces the INCREASE in spending from prior year? That's only cos the republicons wont negotiate ... Look wars are cheaper to start. The reason Obama is spending more is cos those wars are creating injured vets and there is baby boomers retiring and all of those are obligations we have to pay out for. Obama is not expected IMHO to give in to Bullying by the GOP. I voted for him to tax the rich, tax the dodgers stop giving away $$ to the GE's, the haliburtons and to build my roads, repair bridges and maintain the infrastructure. As long as he's fighting with the Republicons to do that, its acceptable. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/13 at 20:41:49 Easy, republicons cut funding to many aspects of the foreign services and are trying to blame it on Obama. Horse CRAP.. Clinton denied knowing they even needed help. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/23/13 at 21:22:36 5C5D46414E5B472F0 wrote:
Ok, if you are not going to take this seriously then I am going to move on to something else. I've loaded this thread with facts and a few well thought out opinions and it doesn't appear I am getting the same in return. This is Obamas 2nd term and he owns everything that is happening now. Those flimsy 'inherited' arguments are exponentially less valid now than they were last year. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/13 at 22:15:48 Ending a war is NO more complex than starting one, Turn around, march, |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by WebsterMark on 03/24/13 at 06:56:23 For the only Superpower in the world with moral standing, ending a war with anything less than victory followed by the establishment of a peaceful government and society; is a failure. We are diminished. We strike no fear in our enemies. They kill our ambassador and celebrate long into the night. Our ‘friends’ would be fools to trust us. Ask Israel. The power-vacuum will be filled; it won’t remain empty for long. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/24/13 at 09:21:15 50757A71557878717A140 wrote:
Ok, if you are not going to take this seriously then I am going to move on to something else. I've loaded this thread with facts and a few well thought out opinions and it doesn't appear I am getting the same in return. This is Obamas 2nd term and he owns everything that is happening now. Those flimsy 'inherited' arguments are exponentially less valid now than they were last year. [/quote] Ummm sorry Dane Allen - the "inherited problem" is still valid, Obama had 2 years where he had a rubber stamp congress. Bush had 6. Obama has never had a republicon controlled supreme court. Bush had it for 8, and he appointed 3 of the 9. The second term only makes for 2 more years of gridlock. So get back to this point after 6 years of rubber stamp congress and 8 of a democrat supreme court OK. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Paraquat on 03/25/13 at 09:13:20 I will say again. Obama had a chance to repeal everything Bush did. It was one of the things he promised in his campaign. He had a chance and blew it so stop using that as his excuse. Like saying that if you made less than 250k your taxes wouldn't go up. Or when he said he wasn't going to confiscate your firearms. Or that Obama care wasn't a tax. Or shutting down Gitmo. Or pulling out of the Middle East. The example I heard recently... Imagine if Obama the candidate had to run against Obama the president. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/25/13 at 13:48:25 6362797E716478100 wrote:
Ok, if you are not going to take this seriously then I am going to move on to something else. I've loaded this thread with facts and a few well thought out opinions and it doesn't appear I am getting the same in return. This is Obamas 2nd term and he owns everything that is happening now. Those flimsy 'inherited' arguments are exponentially less valid now than they were last year. [/quote] Ummm sorry Dane Allen - the "inherited problem" is still valid, Obama had 2 years where he had a rubber stamp congress. Bush had 6. Obama has never had a republicon controlled supreme court. Bush had it for 8, and he appointed 3 of the 9. The second term only makes for 2 more years of gridlock. So get back to this point after 6 years of rubber stamp congress and 8 of a democrat supreme court OK. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Yes, and the economy was doing great during the first 6 years of Bush. Democrats take the House and Senate and 8 months later the whoile country is in the tank. Dodd/Frank, remember those jerk offs?? (literally with regard to Frank) Took a vibrant economy and ran it into the ground with their finance "reform". Obama owns everthing that exisits today because he has done zero to reverse the mistakes of the past, he is in perpetual campaign mode and would rather use misery to divide the country and score political points than to do anything real. Where is the "laser focus on jobs?" Remember Rahm Emmanuel's "Never let a crisis go to waste?" Obama is a complete failure not only because he can't fix any problems but also because the relies on the problems to keep everyone in a state of fear, uncertainty and despair. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by oldNslow on 03/25/13 at 16:09:19 Dane Allen wrote: Quote:
Actually I think he's been remarkably succesful. He isn't interested in actually fixing anything. And keeping everyone in fear, uncertainty and despair is exactly what he wants. And he didn't come up with this on his own. There are folks behind the scenes pulling his strings. Every wannabe tyrant in history starts by destroying the existing system and institutions, fomenting discontent and desperation and then setting himself up as the nation's saviour. I'm not sure Obama really has the chops to be that guy; but if it's not going to be him, then there's a truly evil SOB coming down the pike. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/25/13 at 16:16:46 O&S has it dead on |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/25/13 at 16:19:22 Lots and lots of bogus points ... How do you repeal a bail out once the $$$ has been handed over ... if you stop the next batch, you lost the first batch. Obama may have promised ... however he did get a return of most of the bail out $$$, and we have a healthcare reform (which you hate, however that is just an indication it was done by Obama) He had 2 years of where he could get things done, and he did a few. That pretty much ended with gird lock, when he had to do damage control till the 2012 elections. Past that there is semi gridlock. Maybe 2 more years of this ... I think he has worked hard enough to stay where we are. If it was up to the tea baggers we may have shafted everyone who worked for a living and handed billions to the rich, the super rich and the uber rich. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/25/13 at 17:42:52 You have exactly not ONE clue what the Tea party stands for. YOUve accepted what lamestream news Said we are & you know nothing,again,,or, wait,, I mean, still,, |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/25/13 at 19:40:13 76696F6875724373437B69652E1C0 wrote:
I dont care what they stood for, they were Idiotic in the first place, even when Ron Paul was with them, they were un tenable. Of course 1 week after they were formed, they were Co-Opted by the Koch brothers and we all know where that went. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/13 at 07:42:03 I dont think Koch was what got them.. It was a mutual attack from dems & bubs, cuz they Had to stop the one who would end status quo. Koch brothers are one of, if not the, largest private corps held today. Theyre not yet a part of the globalist game against the people. Not perfect, but standing in defense of family & against those who want to destroy it,,read more about them before you decide. Theyre MUch better than any other large corp I know of,. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/26/13 at 11:11:57 I am not sure about some of this, Ron Paul in 08 was buried by the media first and then the bubs (as you put it), and I dont see dems being any part in that, they were running in parallel. I believe that then the Koch bros or Grover Norqvist basically weedled themselves to the top of that pyramid. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/26/13 at 16:49:03 485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/26/13 at 17:39:45 5D78777C5875757C77190 wrote:
+1[/quote] Oh yea, oh yea, 91% of savages say so. In the USA - yea, 47%. In the world - maybe 10%. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/13 at 19:05:20 Once, everone agreed the world was the center of the universe, then one man said, NOPE, aint so. He was correct. That there are more or less people agreeing with me, & O&S & & Dale than you is not a meaningful way to determine who is actually correct. That you try to use the number of idiots who say we are wrong doesnt make us wrong,, |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/26/13 at 19:33:35 You seemed to invalidate your majority there JOG ? I am just saying in this forum you would get agreement for your point of view easy, cos like someone suggested you're a 91% majority. I didn't say nothing about right or wrong. Here is another explanation for the 91% - If you conducted a poll among the rich people only you will easily conclude that "Dewey indeed defeated Truman" Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/13 at 19:39:40 Actually, what I did was state that regardless of whether one has a majority of support, that in no way has any bearing on whether or not they are correct. Your post certainly read as if you believed that since our position is not well supported elsewhere, it is not correct. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/27/13 at 13:01:28 Dane - I haven't been part of this thread, but I've been around here a long time. You are wasting finger energy typing anything to Srinath. He refuses to compromise his anti business and anti Republican views, and arguing with him is pointless. I quit weeks ago. JOG is a decent guy, although he frequently sees a conspiracy behind every door. He is intelligent. You'll find lots of decent guys on here, even though not all of them think as you and I do. Welcome aboard, albeit my welcome is a bit tardy. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/27/13 at 13:55:19 3E3F24232C39254D0 wrote:
+1[/quote] Oh yea, oh yea, 91% of savages say so. In the USA - yea, 47%. In the world - maybe 10%. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Hopefully the world will start catching up to the rest of us Savage owners. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 03/27/13 at 14:01:08 333C303A313C373B3C2B3E3C2B590 wrote:
Thanks for the welcome and the heads up. I was beginning to wonder if Srinath was just yanking my chain, as some people love to do. Unfortunately, nothing is learned from refusing to listen or openly discuss. JOG's a good guy, everyone has been a pleasure to talk to here. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/27/13 at 18:42:18 I agree, I Do see "conspiracy" in most directions. Thats because Ive tied so many things that are going on back to the global elite, Ive seen "Mistakes" made that were obviously mistakes, Ive seen so many "Unintended consequences" that, while they may have been "Unintended", they were clearly & obviously going to be the long term result of decisions made,, If someone "accidentally" knocks a window out of your house every time they decide to do something, one day, unless youre an idiot, youre gonna decide that really wasnt as accidental as they want you to believe. Ive watch our goobs make decision after decision, all telling us how Goood it is & how necessary it is & how desperately we MUST or soemthing Baaad is gonna happen & LO & Behold! While Im looking at it & sayting WHOOAA! thats a bvad idea, they drum up support & get it done & YEEEEHaaaa, darn if it dont just SUCK.,, Why, if its all just Accident, why dont they Ever screw up & NOT screw US? |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/28/13 at 10:12:23 I've listened and learned, and in some cases had to listen and counter. I see plenty of conspiracies too, just not as many as JOG. But this is a gem from JOG - Why, if its all just Accident, why dont they Ever screw up & NOT screw US? Yea, seems like every pile of crapolea that falls down hits the little guy ... when the ones that are standing tall are dry as a bone and clean as a whistle. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/28/13 at 16:37:58 Again, you fail, It hits AMERICA, |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/29/13 at 10:14:51 4D5254534E4978487840525E15270 wrote:
So what does this mean JOG ? The ones shafting people are not from AMERICA ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 03/31/13 at 21:45:21 3E3F24232C39254D0 wrote:
So what does this mean JOG ? The ones shafting people are not from AMERICA ? Cool. Srinath.[/quote] JOG - I would like to know what you meant with your "It hits AMERICA" Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Midnightrider on 04/01/13 at 22:00:12 Glad you're with us Dane. We're all full of sh!t ,you make the call whether you fit in or not LOL |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Midnightrider on 04/01/13 at 22:02:15 4C4D56515E4B573F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 04/01/13 at 22:27:57 4D69646E696768747269646572000 wrote:
I'm a Savage owner, I love my family, freedom, learning and my country. We're gonna get along just fine ;) |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Paraquat on 04/02/13 at 06:09:39 7B5E515A7E53535A513F0 wrote:
I like your style. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 04/02/13 at 07:48:21 61444B40644949404B250 wrote:
I'm a Savage owner, I love my family, freedom, learning and my country. We're gonna get along just fine ;)[/quote] I'm a savage owner too ... but here comes the librull disclaimer ... does the random pile o parts resembling a savage in my front yard need to be in working condition ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by Dane Allen on 04/02/13 at 09:50:31 2B2A3136392C30580 wrote:
I'm a Savage owner, I love my family, freedom, learning and my country. We're gonna get along just fine ;)[/quote] I'm a savage owner too ... but here comes the librull disclaimer ... does the random pile o parts resembling a savage in my front yard need to be in working condition ? Cool. Srinath.[/quote] You just leave it outside in the front yard to rot? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by houstonbofh on 04/02/13 at 13:07:59 1F3A353E1A37373E355B0 wrote:
Thanks for the welcome and the heads up. I was beginning to wonder if Srinath was just yanking my chain, as some people love to do. Unfortunately, nothing is learned from refusing to listen or openly discuss. JOG's a good guy, everyone has been a pleasure to talk to here.[/quote] No, you are right. He does not debate, and will ignore any points you make against his belief system. Safer to just walk on by... |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 04/02/13 at 17:43:25 597C73785C717178731D0 wrote:
I'm a Savage owner, I love my family, freedom, learning and my country. We're gonna get along just fine ;)[/quote] I'm a savage owner too ... but here comes the librull disclaimer ... does the random pile o parts resembling a savage in my front yard need to be in working condition ? Cool. Srinath.[/quote] You just leave it outside in the front yard to rot? :-/[/quote] Hell no, Its something I put together from bits and pieces. I am working on it, but its 3rd down ... I am working on a thumper right now though ... a sport bike and a thumper ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 04/02/13 at 17:44:53 797E6462657E7F737E7779110 wrote:
Thanks for the welcome and the heads up. I was beginning to wonder if Srinath was just yanking my chain, as some people love to do. Unfortunately, nothing is learned from refusing to listen or openly discuss. JOG's a good guy, everyone has been a pleasure to talk to here.[/quote] No, you are right. He does not debate, and will ignore any points you make against his belief system. Safer to just walk on by...[/quote] I am not ignoring any points nor do I have an anti business or anti conservative view point. I have an anti rich and an anti republicon view ... not the same thing as what you try to assign to me ... nice strawman BTW. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by houstonbofh on 04/03/13 at 20:15:22 45445F5857425E360 wrote:
Thanks for the welcome and the heads up. I was beginning to wonder if Srinath was just yanking my chain, as some people love to do. Unfortunately, nothing is learned from refusing to listen or openly discuss. JOG's a good guy, everyone has been a pleasure to talk to here.[/quote] No, you are right. He does not debate, and will ignore any points you make against his belief system. Safer to just walk on by...[/quote] I am not ignoring any points nor do I have an anti business or anti conservative view point. I have an anti rich and an anti republicon view ... not the same thing as what you try to assign to me ... nice strawman[/quote] During the last debate I had with you, I called you out on the same points 3 times, and you ignored all three. Baseball... Three strikes, and I am done. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 04/04/13 at 04:13:28 I cant respond with those nifty little quotes and what not, like Dane Allen does. So you may have had to read through a haphazard reply to find my response. Or put those questions into this thread. And No if you're talking about hunting or target practise in your backyard or other BS ... sorry I am not your answer man ... I am not solving all your problems ... like drunk driving, because a few fools did it and killed people, we all have to endure police check points and stiffer penalties for having 1 drink with dinner at a restaurant. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Hubris... Post by srinath on 04/08/13 at 10:35:42 45445F5857425E360 wrote:
So what does this mean JOG ? The ones shafting people are not from AMERICA ? Cool. Srinath.[/quote] JOG - I would like to know what you meant with your "It hits AMERICA" Cool. Srinath.[/quote] And I still am wondering what this means JOG ? Do you mean that the people putting in the policies they want are not from america ? Your favorite the Bilderbergs ? who else ? Cool. Srinath. |
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