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Title: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by braveteacher on 02/16/13 at 19:22:06 Any suggestions on what kind of front brake pads to purchase? |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Digger on 02/16/13 at 20:39:41 FWIW..... I've tried OEM, Ferodo Platinum, and EBC Organic. I like the EBC Organic pads the best of the ones I've tried. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by ZAR on 02/17/13 at 08:02:01 4D606E6E6C7B090 wrote:
Another vote for the EBC Organic. Mine are organic/Kelvar and work fine,including a 4-5"/hour downpour I got caught out in last spring! |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by braveteacher on 02/17/13 at 11:34:57 purchased today...EBC organic on ebay for $27 free shipping... |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Gyrobob on 02/18/13 at 06:22:10 664B45454750220 wrote:
Of those three, which gave you the greatest coefficient of friction? IOW, which pads slowed you down the quickest for a given amount of pull on the front brake lever? |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by wambr on 02/18/13 at 06:50:12 my vote for the EBC Organic.first on my Savage were installed Ferrodo FDB 404. not to say that they are better or worse slowed down, but EBC it seems to me more predictable when braking..and with such brake pads brake disc less wear out. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Oldfeller on 02/18/13 at 07:24:58 If you want to find comparisons of various front brake pad brands, search for "rotor wear" discussions from a long time ago. Be aware these are OLD discussions and the pads may well be different now. My difficulty with the old high friction ceramic SBS pads is that they ate up your rotor life far too quickly. We have limited rotor life if you pay attention to the service life thickness specs, and some pads are hard on the rotors. I have used stock pads, SBS and EBC and am staying with the "softer" EBC Kevlar pads from about 4 years ago (bought 2 sets on sale). I don't think these are necessarily the same pads as the EBC organic pads sold today as the spec ratings on pads and stuff evolve over time (and with goverment spec changes too). BTW, the rotor itself is expensive to replace. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Digger on 02/18/13 at 19:32:12 0C3239242924294B0 wrote:
Of those three, which gave you the greatest coefficient of friction? IOW, which pads slowed you down the quickest for a given amount of pull on the front brake lever?[/quote] Gy, Really did not notice any differences between any of them.... Having said that, I don't ride my Savage very aggressively. My main criteria for brake pads on this bike is their longevity. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Jiggyfly on 02/23/13 at 06:20:12 Having never even ridden my Savage......but having logged 1000's of race track laps from Road America to Daytona..... The EBC HH pads are great, as are Vesrah pads. As previously mentioned, these will decrease rotor life. It's a "wear item", though......& shouldn't be expected to last forever. Another way to increase braking power is a different master cylinder with a larger piston diameter. Watch it.....you can create too powerful of a ratio! (I built a CF150r supermoto bike with 6 piston GSXR caliper & 5/8" Brembo radial mc......it was overkill. If you could've modulated your pinkey on the brake lever.....you could've braked with your pinkey!) |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Oldfeller on 02/23/13 at 07:41:19 Who said EBC's were hard on rotors? EBC's are the ones that are "better" on rotor wear, SBS and some other ceramic pads were noted as hard on rotors. :-? Guys, we generally only talk about brake pads you can actually buy for a Savage, as all other bikes, brake compounds, etc are just confusion to a newbie asking what he should buy. If you are going to recommend a grade/brand, state where you can get them (post a link) and say why you think they are better. Example: "I love SBS ceramic pads (I don't btw, but I listened to someone who loved them but didn't have any specifics at all behind his love) but I have to admit they are expensive and they can chew .006" off your rotor thickness in only 4 months after being installed." |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Jiggyfly on 02/23/13 at 09:32:07 Ever run EBC HH compounds??? Yeah.....they're hard on rotors. Again.....it's expected. The age-old "you can have 2 out of 3" Pick 2: good, long lasting, cheap You can never have all 3. ;D |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Digger on 02/23/13 at 18:02:44 08252B2B293E4C0 wrote:
I should have added that I limit my brake pad choices to those that are easy on rotors. Of those, I like the longest lasting ones the best..... |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Jiggyfly on 02/24/13 at 20:47:33 0B2820222128282136440 wrote:
EBC shows the HH compound as available. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Oldfeller on 02/25/13 at 09:09:49 Jiggy, having made the statement, kindly show us where we can buy some HH EBC pads for the Savage on line. Just drop us a link if you would be so kind. We are familiar with EBC offering Kevlar pads and organic pads for the Savage but we are unfamiliar with HH grade pads for the Savage. Even if you could buy it, why would you? If it truly is is a rotor eating "racing grade" the Savage isn't a racing bike and some extra braking power at the cost of breaking the front tire free accidentally or eating up your rotor even quicker sounds like it might not be the most practical idea for a Savage. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Jiggyfly on 02/25/13 at 14:02:45 ok. to me..... but obviously, not to all...... "what is the best brake pad" means, "what will stop my bike the fastest?" while generally considered a "racing" pad, i use them on street bikes without issues. they dont require a warm up lap, if you will!? lol Rotors are a wear item..... one shouldnt expect them to last forever. while the HH compound is more abrasive than the original 1987 wooden pads on my savage, they certainly wont eat your rotor up on a trip to the local Starbucks. in the future, I'll try to consider the Savage user population. ;) |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Dave on 02/26/13 at 09:52:57 I just ordered these EBC Carbon X brake pads.......it will be a while before I get to try them. They are a blend of Carbon and Kevlar, and supposed to make minimum heat.......I was hoping that meant they were not too abrasive. http://www.bikebandit.com/ebc-sport-carbon-x-brake-pads?m=147574 |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Oldfeller on 02/26/13 at 10:50:40 -Pad material is a blend of carbon graphite and Kevlar -Generates minimal heat -Best when used for dry riding conditions; not for mud, water or sand So, if you get caught out in the rain do tell us what they do that is different. Sounds like they maybe might sorta coulda act a little differently when wet. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Dave on 02/26/13 at 11:38:01 46656D6F6C65656C7B090 wrote:
I didn't worry too much about the mud/water/sand statement - as I figure they right this stuff up for ATV and Dirt Bikes as well. I pretty much try to avoid riding in those conditions anyhow! |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by engineer on 02/26/13 at 11:59:31 How many miles do people usually get from the OEM front brake pads and how many miles are expected from the replacement pads that have been mentioned such as the EBC organic pads? |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by braveteacher on 02/26/13 at 15:06:40 Just changed out my front brakes in less than 10 min...no more squeelllll....easy easy easy...bike has 2300 miles+- http://https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-znDNmCCOJAk/US0_1kfEHeI/AAAAAAAABNo/eWJwgWg7P_I/s902/brakes.jpghttp://https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ts965G8KdsQ/US0-xDdWLpI/AAAAAAAABNE/ISDWYKwdoNo/s765/IMG_9371.JPGhttp://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ENHUg2OmVpk/US0-xO3wtkI/AAAAAAAABNI/2q9gc-EDSsQ/s902/IMG_9373.JPGhttp://https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E0saUA4CKag/US0-xwNb9oI/AAAAAAAABNU/7v9oA2GdpH4/s902/IMG_9376.JPGhttp://https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YuZXOXTJ_Xs/US0-yApm3dI/AAAAAAAABNc/8-bpKg6HPK8/s902/IMG_9379.JPG |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Oldfeller on 02/26/13 at 15:44:54 47454E454C454953200 wrote:
About twice the miles on the EBC Kevlar ..... and no little piggy a squeal'n all the time. Can't speak to the EBC organics, never ran any. Somebody else has, so they can speak up. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by ZAR on 02/26/13 at 19:17:15 I replaced the originals at 13K miles. They were THIN! With only 2K on the EBC pads it too early to tell but I can tell you they work way better than the originals ever did. Even in a 4-5" per hour gully washer! And I hope I never have to ride through that crap again! |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Digger on 02/28/13 at 19:24:34 5A5853585158544E3D0 wrote:
On mine (see signature), I got 3500 miles on the OEM pads, 4100 miles on the Ferodo Platinum pads, and currently have over 4400 miles on the EBC organics. Gonna have to change 'em soon, though.... |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by engineer on 03/01/13 at 04:51:11 Just replaced my OEM pads at 3800 miles and they were truly worn out. I thought they would last longer but your posts indicate this is not unusual. My bike is mostly driven in town with lots of starts and stops so maybe that is why they didn't last as long as some others. I installed the EBC organics but with the snow falling I haven't had a chance to try them out. No more squeal, I hope. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Gyrobob on 03/02/13 at 07:02:37 58757B7B796E1C0 wrote:
On mine (see signature), I got 3500 miles on the OEM pads, 4100 miles on the Ferodo Platinum pads, and currently have over 4400 miles on the EBC organics. Gonna have to change 'em soon, though....[/quote] Which of them had the highest coefficient of friction? |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Gyrobob on 03/02/13 at 07:06:05 Brake squeal is something that can be controlled rather cheaply. The squealing is from a resonance of high frequency vibrations in the pads/calipers when they contact the rotor. Because of the job the disc brake has to do, this squeal is common, even though Suzuki engineers probably made a large effort to prevent it. There are several things to try. Replacing pads with a lot of material left on them is usually not a sensible option,… just a waste of money. The idea is to change the resonance of the parts that vibrate, therefore pushing the resonance out of the range that tends to create a squeal. Here are some ways: -- Use the lube typically supplied with replacement pads. This is a high-heat lube that goes between the pads and the piston that changes the resonance frequency. Use sparingly. -- Use that same lube on all the parts that support the caliper that allow the caliper to move back and forth. Again, use sparingly. -- Sometimes the pads, or even the rotors, can acquire a glaze that tends to make a squeal. Lightly scouring one or both surfaces can help here. Use 400 grit sandpaper (wet), or rubbing compound, steel wool, chore girl, comet cleanser, etc. You don’t want any scratches, just a satin finish. -- Chamfer the edges of the pads. --- This changes the angle between the edge of the pad and the rotor surface, which changes how the pad tries to "dig in" to the rotor. --- Chamfering the leading edge of the pad is sufficient. This will change the resonance frequency one way or another. --- If chamfering the leading edge stops the squeal, it may come back, say, 2,000 miles later when the pads wear down enough to erase the chamfer. Just chamfer it again. -- Clean all the surfaces completely, then put a very thin layer of RTV on the back of the pad where it contacts the piston in the caliper. Also put a very thin layer on the surface of the piston that contacts the pad. Let it dry for a few hours. --- By "very thin layer” I mean put a little on your finger, rub it on the surface and then wipe just about all of it off with a clean finger(s). --- You don’t want any actual cushion here,…. that will make the brakes feel spongy. You want only enough to change the resonance of these two mating surfaces,.. just residue, not an actual layer. --- Make sure you use something with a high heat capability. Normal RTV will work,.. hi-temp RTV might be better. It's cheap. -- Cut out a piece of coke can metal shaped like the back of the disc brake pad, and insert that piece between the pad and the piston. That metal is pretty tough stuff. I also use it for shims when aligning gyrocopter rotors. Sounds goofy, but it does change/negate the resonances, so it can eliminate the squeal. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by wambr on 03/02/13 at 10:51:43 guys, I have a question...who ever used such CL Brakes 2387 S4 or CL Brakes 2387 A3 brake pads? just wondering...suppose I could install this on my Savage? |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Digger on 03/03/13 at 19:37:10 2719120F020F02600 wrote:
On mine (see signature), I got 3500 miles on the OEM pads, 4100 miles on the Ferodo Platinum pads, and currently have over 4400 miles on the EBC organics. Gonna have to change 'em soon, though....[/quote] Which of them had the highest coefficient of friction?[/quote] Didn't notice any difference from set to set. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Digger on 03/03/13 at 19:40:19 605E5548454845270 wrote:
Nice writeup, Gy! I'd like to add that there is a spray product that is specifically made to spritz onto the back side of brake pucks, thus, in theory, preventing the squeal..... |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Boofer on 03/03/13 at 21:40:19 You'll probably have to figure this one out yourself. I use Vesrah VD329 pads, but I notice a lot on here think paying over $20 is a bit much. Riding style figures in when you consider fading on hot pads after pushing through twistys. And some riders like a fast initial grab while others like a more linear, smooth application with plent of lock up power at the end if needed. Does EMGO make brake shoes? I used EBC or EMGO on the rear just 'cause I had it torn down, but they do tend to lock up easier. BTW the ones I took off were 1/2 worn stock. Don't expect to ever put another set on the rear. Well, maybe not. I've been practicing using the rear more when just easing up to a stop or just slowing a little. The quest continues. :) |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by prechermike on 06/24/14 at 08:47:00 4F626C6C6E790B0 wrote:
On mine (see signature), I got 3500 miles on the OEM pads, 4100 miles on the Ferodo Platinum pads, and currently have over 4400 miles on the EBC organics. Gonna have to change 'em soon, though....[/quote] I ordered these http://www.ebay.com/itm/EBC-Kevlar-Organic-Front-Brake-Pads-1986-1988-Suzuki-LS650-Savage-/200827654258?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item2ec242d072 and installed them on November, 2012. I have 5357 miles on them and I think they are wearing out, handle is in, getting some noise when I brake hard, I tried to look, but can't see too much. :-? Is there a good way to check the thickness of the pads without having to take the rotor off? The one I can see doesn't look too bad, but I always worry about the one I can't see. I don't think I am a hot rodder, I think I am an old, fat preacher (OK, pretty sure I am an an old fat preacher), does this seem about right for the pads to last? Just curious. |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by d3adrock on 12/16/19 at 00:20:10 Does anyone know the difference between the fa106 and the fa106x pads that ebc sells? Is one better? thanks! |
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Title: Re: what is the best brand of front brake pads? Post by Gary_in_NJ on 12/16/19 at 09:09:15 I saw your other post. For street use, stick with organic. Brake pads need to be warm to work and the semi-sintered are meant for heavy bikes and/or track use. Brake pads are sacrificial, if they are wearing they are working. |
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