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Title: oil change=overfill Post by royblueboy on 01/12/13 at 19:46:22 I changed oil &filter today. added 2.5 ots oil. after warming the engine, i checked the sight gauge and it showed full. should I drain some oil? Will it hurt to run it slightly over on the oil? Thanks |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by 12Bravo on 01/12/13 at 19:56:06 Did you check with the bike upright or on the side stand? If checked upright, put it on side stand and check again. If it is at the bottom/lower part of the window while ion the side stand, you'll be OK. Quite a few of us here check on the side stand which would show overfull if checked with the bike upright. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by royblueboy on 01/12/13 at 19:58:37 on the side stand no oil in window. upright window full . thanks |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by hexnut on 01/12/13 at 20:03:09 gone fishing |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Kilgore Trout on 01/12/13 at 20:41:32 Quote:
+1 My 2007 didn't have the manual when I bought it used, so I did my first oil change looking at an older manual that's posted in the technical documents/reference section. I was a little confused when it seemed about full to the gills after only 2 quarts. Glad to know I'm not the only one who had this problem on their first go 'round :D |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Digger on 01/12/13 at 21:26:57 I'm in the minority here, but I'd pull oil back out until the oil level was about a third of the way to the bottom mark below the top mark by the sight glass, with the bike level. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by WD on 01/13/13 at 09:17:36 Bike only needs 2 quarts... even the older ones. Manual wasn't translated correctly from metric specs. Pretty common, older conversion tables are nowhere near right. With the extra pint in there don't be surprised to see some oil weeps at the black cam covers, the head plug or the stator harness grommet. You may also find a bit of oil in the airbox, behind the front drive pulley, or around the valve covers. Whether or not it leaks is entirely dependent upon how well your engine was assembled. Some leak, some don't. Mine weeps oil even with the right amount in it, has since it was new. Running too much oil does rob a bit of power as the crank is constantly running in fluid instead of nearly dry like designed. But you won't notice the difference on a low horse power engine. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by paulmarshall on 01/13/13 at 11:27:21 I agree with D, Drain some out. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by verslagen1 on 01/13/13 at 12:12:14 I personally wouldn't worry about a 1/2 qt. But if you want to drain some out... remove the timing port and it'll come out to about the right level. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by WD on 01/13/13 at 13:21:16 You mean the funny looking giant slotted plug in the left hand cover? The one that breaks if you look at it wrong? ::) The one that you shouldn't touch unless you already have a spare handy... the one you can replace with hex head early CA/CB/CL valve access port covers... if you are lucky and can find the right size... |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Routy on 01/14/13 at 06:09:52 I have never read or heard of any ill effects from running more oil than the manual suggests. Myself,....I will never use the "upright" method again. I always keep the level between the marks on the sidestand. Anytime I walk by my bike, I had better see oil in that glass. And its been that way for 7K miles. (PO did it that way too) And you'll never see a drop of oil under it either. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Oldfeller on 01/14/13 at 07:21:04 Verslagen and Routy are telling you straight. There are two ways to check your oil, the Suzuki Standard (owner's manual) way and the List way. With the bike on the side stand, the oil should be just visible at the bottom of the oil check window. Using this method gives you an extra half quart of reserve oil, and in a motorcycle that is notorious for using a bit of oil (when the bikes get older, anyway) this is important to you as the owner's manual method leaves very little reserve oil in the sump and puts you too close to "oil death" due to normal consumption for my tastes. Search for "list oil check method" or "oil level wars" or "hot test" and you can read all about this oil level research in the original threads. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1312152619 http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/funnycycle011.jpg?t=1312481008 |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by paulmarshall on 01/14/13 at 10:51:26 7D5E5654575E5E5740320 wrote:
She can check my oil anytime :D |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by raydawg on 01/14/13 at 12:47:27 Gee....I wonder if she is looking for a dipstick? |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Blinky on 01/14/13 at 13:00:55 maybe one popped out and rolled under the bike? silicone can be tricky stuff if overfilled. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by mpescatori on 01/14/13 at 14:15:12 Royblueboy, I would BY ALL MEANS drain some oil until you "see the light" 8-) in the oil level window. Put the bike upright with something big and thick under the side stand so that she stands as vertical as possible. 14mm or 17mm oil plug on the left, real close to where side stand is attached... loosen until oil trickles out, collect it for whatever use you may have, util you see at least 1/16th inch light in the oil window. Why am I telling you this ? Because I once overfilled (don't know how much, but definitely overfilled) and not only was the engine extremely sluggish, I popped the main block gaskets and the cylinder bottom gasket and oil wept all over the engine :-/, shoes, trousers, socks... :-X feet :o... rear tire :-[... and giggled its way right into my mechanic's wallet !!! >:( You see, unlike automobile engines which have many cylinders, some pistons going up, others down, so that the air capacity within the engine block is essentially the same all the time, the Savage is a BIG single, and when that piston goes down it compresses the air in the sump; if you overfill, there's too much oil and too little space for that air to compress, so it will force its way wherever is the way of least resistance... ...generally, with the weakest gasket... :P So drain some of that oil. Use it for... top-ups, fish bait, salad dressing, deep fry, whatever, but DRAIN IT !!! Maurizio, smarter but poorer, from Rome, Italy. 8-) |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by bill67 on 01/14/13 at 15:51:47 I always fill to the top line when bike is vertical. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/15/13 at 08:13:44 Some folks fill it till they can see some oil in the window when its on the stand. Some use a 2 X 4 to get it Almost vertical, then fill it up. Seems to be a pretty good amount that it can hold above the Factory Full Line. Id rather be a little over than under, but, as Maurizio points out, there IS a "Too Much". That costs less to fix than the "Too Little" line, tho. When I was gonna be gone all day & run it pretty hard, Id carry a Weed Eater oil bottle so I could top off if need be,. A 1/2"X3/4" x 4" piece of wood with a slot cut at the proper angle makes opening the oil fill while hot possible w/o pliers. How about this Get it filled up, so its to the Full line when the bikes standing up on level ground, lean it down onto a 2X4 & see where it is in the window. Maybe put a mark on it? Then youll be able to get it filled up to where its sposed to be w/o having to hold it up & IF its not far from the full line & youre comfortable with it, maybe juice it on up. I Would, before I did that, look at the oil window while its running & immediately after shutdown to see is theres any foaming at all before I added beyond stock levels, then Id watch it afterward. Air bubbles in oil isnt a good thing,, |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by jvdb on 01/15/13 at 18:43:02 597A7270737A7A7364160 wrote:
I'm curious how much this is off for Ryca owners? Obviously the rake angle is changed, it seems like it might be easier to over-fill. I had the side cover off to install a Verslavy tensioner, so it was very close to completely drained. I filled approx. 2.25 quarts and the oil is at the top of the oil check window when the bike is upright (not on stand). It's not visible when on the side stand. Think I should add more? |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Oldfeller on 01/15/13 at 19:26:07 There is an individualized HOT TEST specified that takes in all bike modifications (RYCA or whatever) and it also takes in the thermal expansion characteristics of your particular oil. It is the definitive test you do to decide on the appropriate fill level for YOUR BIKE with YOUR MODS using YOUR OIL. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1312152619/0 |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by royblueboy on 01/15/13 at 21:24:31 Thanks for all of the response. the oil does not show when on the side stand, it fills the window when upright. I have decided to leave it alone.Thanks again for the advice . |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/16/13 at 15:57:16 6C706264060 wrote:
I'm curious how much this is off for Ryca owners? Obviously the rake angle is changed, it seems like it might be easier to over-fill. I had the side cover off to install a Verslavy tensioner, so it was very close to completely drained. I filled approx. 2.25 quarts and the oil is at the top of the oil check window when the bike is upright (not on stand). It's not visible when on the side stand. Think I should add more?[/quote] I'm curious how much this is off for Ryca owners? Obviously the rake angle is changed, it seems like it might be easier to over-fill. Seems to me it would be easy to run it low, because the engines oil requirements havent changed, but with a lower front end, its gonna Look like it has more oil in it than it really does. It would be like checking the oil on a stock bike with it pointed downhill. What happens when we ride down a long hill? Does the engine suffer damage because the oil is down in front? Noperz,, they built it so it could do that, right? So, kinda hafta stop & ask ourselves, just what IS the Design Dictated, not Engineer spec, but the limit imposed on us by the design of the motor? WE know that once its running & has as much oil up & outta the sump as it can get & oil is circulating, then its not anywhere near hitting the crank/rod. I think that as long as oil is below that line, its okay. Its Gonna slosh & its Gonna hit once in a while, but if its a steady beating, itll air up the oil & thats the end of it. It cant pump bubbles,, Someone with a jug off, case on the bench, could do some measuring. Hafta use some sense. The world aint flat. Take a Ryca, already nose down a bit & start down from a REally REally good mountain road & a guy mite get in big trouble, but some schmuck in West Texas on a bone stock Savage mite be able to safely carry enough more oil to help cool the thing a bit in that heat. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Routy on 01/16/13 at 19:42:50 No one has ever come up w/ ill effects from running the oil level on the side stand. All this coulda woulda stuff doesn't hold oil. But if you're afraid to do what you have been told is not only ok, but better, than do it like the book says ! No one is twisting your leg to make you run more oil. I run tween the marks on the sidestand for 2 reasons, fear and common sense !! ;D |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Gyrobob on 01/17/13 at 15:59:31 Oldfeller, with Rotella T6, what quantity of oil is correct? If we knew the proper quantity of oil, at the next oil change we could see where it shows up on the sight gauge, and just use that as a reference from then on. We could note what it shows when cold, and when hot, for both on the sidestand and on the vertical. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by arteacher on 01/17/13 at 16:32:35 53405845405646210 wrote:
OOOOO- I promised myself I would be good.... but it's so very very hard when someone throws a straight line directly in your path.....but I will be good... I will I really will. ::) |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Oldfeller on 01/17/13 at 17:21:48 7B454E535E535E3C0 wrote:
Good question -- answer is nobody knows what the "correct amount" of oil is because we have different owners manuals saying different things. None of them are consistent and none of them consider oil expansion per se. You have an oil shelf right over the top of the window and you want the oil to stay out of the rotating crankshaft, so the hot test requirement on your expanded oil is to show some air at the top of the window. Beyond that, don't sweat it -- every time you brake going downhill you slop a bunch of oil up against your crank. So it isn't fatal, just not something you want to do all the time. Frothing Some oils froth, you need to quit using that oil if you find your oil does like to froth. Froth is air laced oil and it doesn't lube like solid oil does. In short -- do the hot test |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Gyrobob on 01/18/13 at 07:34:37 16353D3F3C35353C2B590 wrote:
Good question -- answer is nobody knows what the "correct amount" of oil is because we have different owners manuals saying different things. None of them are consistent and none of them consider oil expansion per se. You have an oil shelf right over the top of the window and you want the oil to stay out of the rotating crankshaft, so the hot test requirement on your expanded oil is to show some air at the top of the window. Beyond that, don't sweat it -- every time you brake going downhill you slop a bunch of oil up against your crank. So it isn't fatal, just not something you want to do all the time. Frothing Some oils froth, you need to quit using that oil if you find your oil does like to froth. Froth is air laced oil and it doesn't lube like solid oil does. In short -- do the hot test[/quote] I understand about the shelf just above the window. That would imply that if you see an oil level halfway up the window on a vertical bike with with the motor running, you are fine. The oil level is below the shelf while the motor is running and, therefore, not getting all frothed up. The motor is canted forward several degrees on a RYCA conversion, in effect, raising the shelf. -- Would you want to have the oil level show a bit lower on a vertical, motor-running, RYCA bike? -- Is it possible that if you have an oil level showing in these conditions, say,.. up at the top of the window, that the rotating stuff might be in the oil "pond" up at the front of the crankcase? |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Pine on 01/18/13 at 07:46:16 40636B696A63636A7D0F0 wrote:
Wow.. wish I had read this sooner... like 9 months ago. Yall are d'bomb |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by mpescatori on 06/18/13 at 05:18:14 $50 to the guy who can devise a way to enlarge the oil check window so that we can etch or mark notches or reading marks on the window with the bike on the sidestand... http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/D/-/-/-/12OilLevelIMG_8487.jpg BMW OIL CHECK WINDOW, bike on center stand Expecting to read the oil level in such a small oil window... so low relative to the ground... without a center stand... ...means nobody at Suzuki Engineering actually did a long term test ride and checked the oil... ::) My former 1982 MotoGuzzi had an oil dipstick, as did my old 1971 Ducati Scrambler. I investigated a way to create an oil dipstick for the Savage, but there's too much twisty metal involved. See pic. http://p1.bikepics.com/2007/09/21/bikepics-1030794-800.jpg See where the oil filler cap is ? See the twisty metal makes an odd bend to make the oil flow down ? I would have to drill a small hole through THAT, but before the dipstick reaches the required depth it would clash against the primary gears ... ...so we need to find a way for the dipstick to reach the very bottom of the crankcase without rubbing against the primary gear... Something like this http://www.expandingknowledge.com/Jerome/Motorcycle/Model/2009HondaCBR1000RRABS/Maintenance/Engine_Oil/2010_06_11_Level_Inspection/HRC_KitSetupManual_Dipstick.png Why can't we convert THIS ... into THIS ? 8-) ... or even THIS ? ;) http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Suzuki-Savage-Intruder-Volusia-Boulevard-CHROME-OIL-CAP-/00/s/NDQyWDYwMA==/z/1zkAAMXQBg5RrnxQ/$T2eC16h,!w0E9szN,-B+BRrn)DohVg~~60_35.JPGhttp://image.dhgate.com/albu_363830746_00-1.0x0/cg-jog-pedal-motorcycle-alu-oil-dipstick.jpghttp://www.motorcycleparts-hornig.com/inc/imagethumb.php?URL=../images/articles/sr_1143000.jpg.1&Breite=475&Hoehe=262 So, says I, $50 to whomever can devise a way to read the oil level without having to do a "Tonto says train coming..." |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/13 at 06:13:09 I'll take that $50 --- you just use the list oil check method and you can see if you have enough oil by just glancing down as you approach the bike. No roadrunner (or tonto) neck bending plus you get the extra oil capacity to keep your bike from running out of oil so durn quickly as the Suzuki method can lead you to do when your bike gets older and starts sipping oil between changes. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Routy on 06/18/13 at 06:21:14 I already did ! And I take PayPal ! |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Arnold on 06/18/13 at 07:10:42 has to do with where choo choo goes. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by mpescatori on 06/19/13 at 06:10:29 OldFeller and Routy both get their $50. :) Just fly over and get it ! Get it ? :D No, really, the list method appears to be an ingenuous system at first, but if we consider that many sidestands will gradually list more and more as the bike gets older... ...geez, my bike is 25 years old and I'm the 6th owner, I don't know what the original list was! So a "worn" list reading may give a false (low) reading, leading to overfill... My intent is to find a way to either: - get a dipstick somewhere in the belly of the crankcase, or - get a larger window there where the original window is, so that reading oil level may be easier. One idea I came up with was to remove the oil window and replace it with a "J" shaped "elbow" so that one could use a dipstick. Not necessarily a screw-in dipstick, even a normal plug-in dipstick might to, as a thermometer/dipstic as well. This would allow the rider to sit, balance the bike with his legs, reach down and take a dipstick reading. 8-) Now, do THAT and you've got my attention !!! |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/13 at 06:17:35 For what you want, drill a hole below the oil level, tap it, put in a fitting that leads to a piece of clear plastic pipe, aim the pipe up and put some sharpie pen marks on it for low and high. Or ..... just look at the sight glass while on the side stand. ANY amount of oil showing is good to go, providing your hot test agrees that your particular brand of oil and its expansion rate keeps the oil level inside the window while hot while running when held upright. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by apache snow on 06/19/13 at 06:18:29 I am not so old that I can't grab the front fork and the rear shock and hold the bike upright while I take a look at the sight glass without dropping it. I also can run the bike into a Harbor Freight wheel chock that holds the bike upright and look at my convenience. Takes all of 30 seconds. Life is not complicated. 8-) http://www.harborfreight.com/motorcycle-stand-wheel-chock-97841.html |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Dave on 06/19/13 at 06:21:51 The window is an improvement over the old Suzuki method....which was a threaded screw in the side of the cutch cover. You would remove the screw and then tilt the bike upright.....and if the oil flowed out of the hole the level was OK. You had no idea if the oil was too full or how much it might be low.....other than by leaning the bike more left or right to try and guess. I am OK with the site glass.....but then my bike is pretty new and doesn't use much oil, and I am still nimble enough to get down on my knees and look at the window. This may become harder as me and the bike both age. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by apache snow on 06/19/13 at 06:27:22 In a few days I will be 69 and I have not reached that point yet. 8-) |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/13 at 06:49:18 Good for you. We polled the list once and found 10 people who were willing to admit to having dropped (or almost dropped it and hurt themselves some while catching it) their bike while checking the oil using the Suzuki method. I also agree the owners manuals are not consistent with amounts to do an oil change and also folks who fiddle with shocks & tires really need to do a hot test to verify their new oil level is OK for them to use with their own favorite oil brand. We also have several people per summer who kill their engine running out of oil because they used the Suzuki check method (which gives a very minimal oil reserve amount compared to the list method). Now, let me break away from these factual statements up above and offer up a thought -- if 25%-30% of the list uses the list method and has no oil use or oil blowing or oil anything due to using it and it does give extra reserve oil capacity to keep engine death at bay -- why wouldn't you at least try it? |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by apache snow on 06/19/13 at 07:56:11 I check my oil every 100 miles ridden. It does not consume any but I don't ride that hard, no interstates. I rarely get over 55 with the occasional 60 mph burst. I have always been very religious in my maintenance and keeping things to what the factory specifies. I always pay attention to detail. I do a general inspection before every ride and check tire pressure and bolts weekly. I have never had a problem doing it. 8-) I have never turned the bike over or even came close. When I get to where I can't control my bike it may be time to retire from riding. :-? Keeping a higher level of oil than what the factory specifies may be for the people who don't pay attention to detail and neglect proper maintenance. Since I don't belong to that crowd, I will continue with what I have been successfully doing since 1958. :) I know, I'm no fun at all, I haven't blew one up yet. :o |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by B.J. or Jo on 06/19/13 at 11:42:12 :-? Ok, I hate to admit to being dumber than a box of rocks but I'm confused!! Do I look for a slight bit of oil in the site window, on the sidestand when COLD or HOT??? Why Couldn't I just fill the oil level in the site glass, a small bit above the top line when standing up and hot and accomplish the same thing, ie: a bit more oil in the motor?? :-[ We ride our S40 double up and at times at interstate speeds, we put between 100 and 200 miles a weekend on it, FYI. 2009 with less than 2000 miles on it, bought it in March with 317 miles on the clock. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by jcstokes on 06/19/13 at 12:46:49 The handbook does suggest checking hot or at least warm. The level should be between the small dots cast into the cover beside the window. I have found it easier to get a block of wood about two and three quarter inches high and six inches square and put this under the stand. This supports the bike in a near vertical position. Another member sits on his bike and uses a telescopic mirror to check his level. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Routy on 06/19/13 at 13:04:27 God knows theres been enuff discussion,......and explanation on it. Do it "your" way. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by B.J. or Jo on 06/19/13 at 14:17:58 4F405A415D5B484A424C5B290 wrote:
Maybe that's the problem, too much discussion so it's confusing to us noob owners!!!!!! :o I NEED to know IF you use the "SIDESTAND" check do you look for the oil level to come slightly over the bottom of the site glass, when it's COLD or HOT! Tell me that and I'll never bother anyone again! |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Routy on 06/19/13 at 18:03:34 I myself better see the oil level on the low line while on the side stand, when I walk by my bike (cold) But I am not telling you to do it that way. I for one dropped my bike while trying to check the oil Suzukis stupid way, and that ain't gonna happen again ! I never see a drop of oil under my bike doing it this way, yours mite be different. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/13 at 18:41:41 The side stand method works either hot or cold. It doesn't matter. What you do need to do at least once is the specified hot check to make sure your oil level is appropriate for your shocks and your bike. Newbies get confused, it is part of the learning experience. Hot check is a one off test to verify your chosen brand of oil doesn't over expand when filled to peep up over the bottom of the oil window when resting on the side stand. Your test is to set the oil level cold, then the hot test is to do a vertical check when idling hot. The expanded oil should be below the upper edge of the window. This verifies your running oil level stays below your oil shelf. Now, if you really feel that Suzuki had "all knowledge" when they put the bike together in 1987, then you should never need a verslaggy, your carb should never need tweeking and your petcock should be immortal. Good luck with that, some like Bill still do feel that way. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by engineer on 06/19/13 at 19:38:10 I just grab the bike with my two hands, pick it up to eye level, and take a peek in that little window. When I was younger I lifted it up to eye level with my left hand and poured the oil in with my right hand. Isn't that what Suzuki had in mind with the window business? ;) |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by WD on 06/19/13 at 20:26:24 "Now, if you really feel that Suzuki had "all knowledge" when they put the bike together in 1987, then you should never need a verslaggy, your carb should never need tweeking and your petcock should be immortal. Good luck with that, some like Bill still do feel that way. " And then there is the other extreme, broke it before it left the lot on the day it was purchased... :-X On sidestand, at the low line, cold, should work for most. Try it, worst case, you get an oil leak (or 10). Mine wants 2 quarts, period. On a chunk of 2x4, that shows as overfilled. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by mpescatori on 06/20/13 at 01:47:25 ears ago I overfilled (3 qts? :o) because the oil check window was dirty and I simply didn't know how much oil I had in there. Unlike an automobile engine, overfilling in a big single pretty much equates to killing the crankcase. In an automobile engine, 4-cyl. onwards, some pistons go up as other pistons go down; this means that, overall, the "free air" volume available to oil and its vapors inside the crankcase remains consistent throughout all four cycles. Enter the big single; it only has ONE piston, so when that big boy goes up, crankcase volume is "x"; but when the piston goes down, crankcase volume will be reduced by anything up to 50% (in a dry sump engine) or 35-40% (in a wet sump engine such as the Savage's. Do not let the external volume of the engine case fool you, I do not know if the gearbox is in the same "environment" as the crankcase, regardless of the wet clutch... So, if you overfill, you rob vital space to the piston's downstroke, the air therein and oil vapors are compressed to an excessive degree and the crankcase gaskets go "boom". It doesn't matter if we have an oil breather pipe off the head, the oilways are too thin to allow for that kind of compensation, and it isn't their job, anyway... So, I ride with a .5 liter bottle of oil in my saddlebags, and check the oil +/- once every week, and top up with whatever's needed ON A COLD ENGINE. 8-) |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by Oldfeller on 06/20/13 at 05:47:55 Your points given do apply to overfilling the sump by 3 quarts, but they don't apply to the extra half quart the list method includes on purpose. The space below the oil shelf is for oil, it is the "designed oil reservoir" if you will. The fact we use it all is nice because it allows us a very easy oil check method and a half a quart of extra reserve oil. At three quarts overfilled you had the crank counterweight splashing through the oil pool for over half its revolution -- yup, I bet that put some nasty stress on things other than just your gaskets. And I bet you had some continuous frothing going on sorta like a milk shake machine. Since the list method keeps the oil out of the crank area (no splashing) I fail to see how it does any of the things you mentioned. Newbies do all sorts of strange things to their bikes when they are new, I do love reading about them all. As you understand more over the years then you can learn some new tricks that really do help out the engine. And the sidestand check method comes in real handy when you get enough miles on your engine to start sipping oil all the time -- the sidestand check allows you to check oil easily every time you stop and it keeps a little more oil around to be sipped upon. Just this past week I went to the Dragon with the boys again -- started the week out peeping over the edge of the window, finished the last run with it NOT peeping (but when I lifted the bike vertical the oil was still in the window). So I was able to go the entire trip sipping on my extra oil and never got low at all to the old Suzuki method. Now, gentle reader -- if I had started out with using the Suzuki method and then failed to check it every day what would I have run the risk of ???? Dead engine on the Dragon ??? Now that would suck a lot .... really. Old list members understand relatively more and they do the things this particular bike needs to live longer/better. REMEMBER TO DO YOUR HOT CHECK ON YOUR OIL BRAND AND BIKE AT LEAST ONCE, and if you don't understand the concepts then please don't do these sorts of advanced tricks. |
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Title: Re: oil change=overfill Post by B.J. or Jo on 06/20/13 at 06:22:06 545B415A46405351595740320 wrote:
Thanks your way makes sense but just didn't understand the "HOT check" procedure, now I have a clue, again thanks! I was doing it the way Suzuki says but I noticed once that there was a little, "rattle", (went away fast!), when I was "warming" it up to check the oil level. It hasn't happend again since. :) |
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