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Message started by strang on 10/14/12 at 03:59:17

Title: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by strang on 10/14/12 at 03:59:17

I am in the market for a savage and had a question before i hand over some greens for one this weekend.
I test rode one close to me yesterday and I like the bike in every way except I'm not completely in love with the extended feet/slightly chopper riding position. Is there an easy and cheap way to move the gear adjuster and back brake pedal back to standard triumph naked bike position? I've seen you can change out the seat pretty easy to a sportster and just wondered if you can move the pegs easily? don't want rearsets as that creates another lot of ergonomic troubles for an old geezer like me 8-)
any solutions?

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by Gyrobob on 10/14/12 at 06:08:51

I don't like the feet forward position either. I feel less in control when things get sporty. It is also a lot less comfortable on long trips, although I'll admit this bike is not aimed at goldwing-type duty,... especially the RYCA modded bikes.

Speaking of RYCA, the rearset food peg system in that kit (which you can purchase by itself) is not actually a "rearset" but more of a "midset" where the pegs are located more like the Norton Atlases and Ducati Monzas I grew up on in the 60s.

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by strang on 10/14/12 at 10:46:59

ok bob that's helpful - thanks
looked at the prices though and it's at least $400 + shipping!
I can weld a bit and might have a go at making something - anyone got an example of home made for inspiration?

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by Gyrobob on 10/14/12 at 11:12:49

Yes, the cost is a factor,.. and sometimes I am inclined to weld and shape something like that for myself as well. See reply #121 in http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1304722902/120

I don't know how you do things, but one of my problems about sculpting stuff is that it takes way longer than it would take a place like Dime City Cycles. So,.. these days (age 65) I have started to actually take into account how much my time is worth.
-- I don't have unlimited time. It would probably take me 40 hours to go from start to finish on the creation of set of midset foot pegs and controls.
-- I'd probably spend a $100 on acetylene, oxygen, rod, parts, metal stock, etc.
-- I'd save $300 over buying the top-o-the-line stuff from RYCA or some other supplier.
-- I doubt what I would cobble up would work as well as the RYCA stuff,.. which does work really well, and it looks cool too.

So, comparing the two situations:
-- Make my own. I'd have the satisfaction of completing the project. I'd save $300. I'd use/lose 40 hours of my life I could have spent on something else,.. like riding the bike. In effect, I would have earned $7.50 an hour for my time and missed out on whatever else I would have done with that 40 hours.
-- Spend $400 on a hi-zoot set of alloy footpegs and controls crafted specifically for this bike. Install in 45 minutes. Bling up the bike some. No problems with fitment or adjustment. Probably save a pound or two of weight over the steel things I would have made. Lasts a long time and doesn't rust. I wouldn't have earned anything for the work done on the bike, but I can afford to piss away 45 minutes.

Anyway, I feel my time is worth something now. I'm not always going to jump in with both feet and start building stuff just to save a few bucks,... or even a lot of bucks if it means I'll have to spend a LOT of time on it.

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by strang on 10/15/12 at 14:20:19

yeh bob I hear ya - done many a money saving project that wasn't ::)
ryca kit does look very nice. Can I keep the stock mudguard with their setup?

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/12 at 21:42:19

Can I keep the stock mudguard with their setup?

Yes, but it only blocks stock mud, custom mud flies right on by.,

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by strang on 10/16/12 at 01:14:10

bollocks
I meant keep the stock exhaust? :)

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by Gyrobob on 10/16/12 at 04:34:11

5D5A5C4F40492E0 wrote:

yeh bob I hear ya - done many a money saving project that wasn't ::)
ryca kit does look very nice. Can I keep the stock mudguard with their setup?

I hear you, about the money saving that wasn't, and for me, those "projects" don't include the time I invested. I am starting to figure my time into these deals.
-- Is it worth it to use ten hours to make something in order to save $50? I'm worth more than $5/hr.
-- I'll admit, though, some of these projects are fun, so a cost for my time doesn't enter in to it.

For repair or maintenance work, though, I am starting to pay other folks to do it.
-- I don't trim the trees and shrubs anymore,.. it is worth it to me to spend a $100 and not have to toil out in the yard for an afternoon when it robs me of time I could use on motorcycles or gyrocopters.
-- I don't even change the tires on the FJR-1300 anymore. That is an unfun job, and I found a guy who does really good work and charges $25 a tire change if you buy the tire from him,... $30 otherwise. He has not yet put a scratch on those $zillion wheels. I don't know if I could say that if I were doing the work.

I like JOG's comment about stock vs custom mud.

I don't know about the stock exhaust, though. I'm not near the bike at the moment. Casey at RYCA would know.

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by Drifter on 10/16/12 at 05:11:05

I am in the process of adding a set of pegs midship and keeping the standard controls where they are. I did this with my vulcan and it makes a hugh difference having someplace extra to put your feet and it takes the pressure off your arse as well.

I changed the ape hanger stock bars to drags with a 1 inch riser that made a big change in arse comfort, all your weight is no longer on the tailbone. One other change i cut the seat to remove the curve its now almost flat....thinner but WAY more comfortable. This bike has terrible ergos and needs several mods...for old guys anyway.

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by strang on 10/16/12 at 06:39:05

Drifter: got any pics of the work in progress and your thinking/solving the ensuing issues?

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by Drifter on 10/16/12 at 07:50:17

Nothing yet, i ordered some rear pegs off a kaw 440, plan to mount them with some custom brackets. When they arrive and i get that project moving i will post some pics. The idea is formulated just waiting on the pegs.

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by strang on 10/16/12 at 13:35:42

would using a standard type gear changer (xs650 say), welding a bracket onto the frame for a pedal work or are there issues with the way the changer sprocket comes out of the savage engine?
ryca rearsets looks great but i just want standard position pegs if possible.

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by Ed L. on 10/16/12 at 17:20:50

The shifter shaft coming out of the transmission isn't very robust on a savage. I was thinking about setting up a heel/toe shifter at one time but was worried that the shaft couldn't take the extra abuse from such a setup. It would of been an easy conversion, I have a heel toe shifter from a '60 Ducati Monza, it would of been almost a direct bolt on. A short linkage would be the way to go to keep the rider's weight off the splined shifter shaft. I haven't checked out the Ryca setup yet, it would be a case of monkey see, monkey want :D
Sometimes it is better to just pay the guy who know how to do the job instead of trying it yourself. I don't even change the oil in my truck anymore, it's just easier to pay for it.

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by Dave on 10/17/12 at 11:54:02

I am not sure about adding a set of mid (rear) sets on the Savage with the stock seat. Seems to me that with the stock seat being so low, it would be very uncomfortable to have your feet on Ryca or similar footpegs. All the cruisers with low seats push your feet out front to give you some leg room.......not underneath you. Isn't the RYCA seat raised up considerably higher than the stock Savage seat?

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by strang on 10/17/12 at 14:28:11

the ryca would be easy and it looks quality but i found this pick of the rearsets in action and it's just not the stance I'm looking for:
http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/v/main/reviews/ryca-cs1-review/ryca-81.jpg.html?g2_GALLERYSID=TMP_SESSION_ID_DI_NOISSES_PMT
older I get the more standard bike ergos I crave ;)

This guy has it sorted but I can't find out who the bike belongs to:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8204489@N05/492515984/lightbox/

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by Gyrobob on 10/17/12 at 18:54:41

474046555A53340 wrote:

If you examine the photos closely, you'll see the footpeg is about in the same spot in both pics. Note the position of the footpeg relative to the bottom of the outer part of the engine case -- the position is about the same in both pics. Note the position of the brake lever,.. it is actually higher in the second pic than the first.

The first pic might be a little misleading because of the angle of the shot.

I am 6'3" and I find the standard RYCA position for these foot controls to be fine for what this bike is supposed to do. It is not a GoldWing. I haven't been out for more than about an hour on the thing, and my feet, legs, and butt were fine. Three hours would be too many.

The main "comfort" problem I have with the RYCA setup is the clip ons. My big ol' head, and long skinny 65 y.o. neck get pretty uncomfortable leaning that far forward with all that and the rest of the upper body being supported by the wrists and hands. If I can keep up the speed to 50 or more, it is not so noticeable because of the breeze pushing back. Getting back in to traffic is fatiguing.

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by irondad01 on 10/18/12 at 17:58:26

http://https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s320x320/487107_4110983326895_1517371870_n.jpg
http://https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s320x320/198709_4110985006937_47680146_n.jpg

Hope this works. This shows my right and left with stock controls moved back on a Ryca-style bracket that I built. ~Carl

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by strang on 10/19/12 at 05:25:11

Carl that is perfect - just what I wanted to do and just needed a heads up that it was possible and not a wild goose chase :)

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by Drifter on 10/19/12 at 09:23:10

Irondad, great job im doing the same thing only a different design same result....how do you like the new position? If they are to cramped just add some highway pegs..... :)

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by irondad01 on 10/19/12 at 16:15:57

The new position is fine on my bike. I changed the seat and bars for an upright riding position. I just finished it and hope to have some pictures up soon. Carl

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by burrpenick on 01/10/19 at 19:50:01

Irondad moved his STOCK foot controls to mid bike using a homemade plate...........in 2012! I'd LOVE to know if this is something I could do- or have made locally? HELP!

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by burrpenick on 01/11/19 at 09:09:16

Does anyone remember Irondads post about making some plates to move the STOCK foot controls back to the conventional location? HOPING there is a detailed thread here, just need someone to point me to it!

Title: Re: moving footpegs to standard upright posture?
Post by ohiomoto on 01/11/19 at 12:35:53

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1487785879/0