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Title: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/12 at 10:38:02 Oil filters for the Savage used to cost aroundabouts $3 for quite a few years now. I noticed I was down to my last box, so I went out looking. First thing I noticed is that the S40 isn't on a lot of sites "parts finder system" any more, but the DR650 still is. Next, I noticed the price for the oil filter had doubled or tripled depending on the site. Now this was interesting to me, as :o WTF :o pricing shock has become quite common to me in my old age. I took the two most common filters, EMGO 10-85900 and the Hiflofiltro H137 and went to the Shopzillas of the world. Damme, but the prices were high and they varied all over the place. Went to Ebay, same story -- looks like prices are rising fast. ========== What we needed to do is identify somebody who has old dusty $3.00 stock on hand and hasn't bothered to update his pricing lately. Since they will be pulling from existing stock, don't expect the price to stay that way for long. But once you get shipping confirmation, post where you got yours and the low price you achieved. Think of it as a little friendly cheap old fart contest. :D .... wait for confirmation of shipping as quite a few of these places will have empty bins when they go to pull your order. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by rfw2003 on 08/16/12 at 11:31:18 I'll take a ride into my local independent shop tomorrow and see if they are still selling them for $4 or less. If so I'll also find out how many he has in stock and we may do a group buy on what he has left. :) R.F. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by rfw2003 on 08/16/12 at 11:34:41 Just a quick google and I found em for $2.94 http://www.oemcycle.com/Item/product/900013981 |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/12 at 11:41:25 But do you have a shipping confirmation from that source? you see, I found them before you did ..... ;D (yeah, I know -- mean, he's mean) Who knows, they may have two cases of the things and are running a sale to get rid of them .... order up !! |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by rfw2003 on 08/16/12 at 14:50:18 50737B797A73737A6D1F0 wrote:
individual item shipping sucks, at $4.99 but I tried 10, 12, 24 qty's the shipping is $6.99 so it's not bad at bulk sales. put in 60 qty and shipping was free. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Savage_Rob on 08/16/12 at 15:01:55 Thanks for the heads-up on the price increases and also for the source; I have only 1 or 2 left in the garage right now. I've just ordered some and I'll let you know when I get shipping confirmation and delivery. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Africord on 08/16/12 at 15:35:40 If I buy 4 at a time, I can get it down to $4.50 at D2Moto... (more than one way to beat shipping costs!) |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Routy on 08/16/12 at 16:20:24 How often do you old guys put in a new filter anyway ?? I thot I wasn't the only one that makes a filter last a long time buy not changing it every oil change, and maybe washing it inbetween those times. Really,......I ain't never bought one yet, :o |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/12 at 16:41:29 I ordered a lifetime supply -- 5 of them |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by bill67 on 08/16/12 at 17:34:02 The sky is falling. ::) |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by rfw2003 on 08/16/12 at 17:43:20 Guess I'm one of the minority here, I replace my filter at each oil change. Force of habit plus peace of mind. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/12 at 17:59:35 Bill, you can't say too much, according to you your oil has never gotten dirty and it is still all pretty red and good as new looking. Have you been changing your filter and not changing the oil? I go 2 years on a filter before I even look at it, then most times it is good to go for a redo after checking out the small amount of non-ferrous residues that it captured. I mean, really, how many years do I plan to keep riding past 70, anyway? ;) |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by rfw2003 on 08/16/12 at 18:04:41 2F0C0406050C0C0512600 wrote:
Ya know the fact that the oil is staying the same exact color as it was when put in with as long as he's had it in there would worry me. Additive package in the oils is there for a reason, to encase the crap in the oil, whatever it may be to carry it off to the filter, or if it's to fine for the filter keep it encapsulated so that it does less harm. Just because of this the oil changes color. The normal carbon that by-passes the rings and other combustion gases alone would dis-color the oil, unless the oil isn't doing it's job. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by bill67 on 08/16/12 at 18:21:09 Klotz gives you improved ring seal for higher combustion chamber pressure and power,So there isn't much carbon blow by if any. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Charon on 08/16/12 at 18:23:15 And your proof for that statement? |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by SaVaGeEaRL on 08/16/12 at 18:38:32 If your oil ain't getting dirty, it ain't doing its job.(provided you're actually running your engine lol) |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by bill67 on 08/16/12 at 18:38:52 476C65766B6A040 wrote:
In 4000 miles the oil wasn't dirty,It seem like most people on here don' t ever use a premium oil so they don't know the difference. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by SaVaGeEaRL on 08/16/12 at 18:43:18 It don't matter what kind of oil you use, or what kind of engine you have. It's mechanics 101 and one of the first things a tech is taught. If your oil ain't getting dirty, it ain't doing its job. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by bill67 on 08/16/12 at 18:46:59 I see your only 46 I'll excuse you.And please change your oil filter the next time you change your dirty working oil.102 |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by SaVaGeEaRL on 08/16/12 at 18:55:09 Points and laughs |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Charon on 08/16/12 at 18:59:33 I don't feel like looking for the post, but it seems to me when Verslagen ran his oil tests he said Klotz got dirty just as fast as any other oil, and ran through his oil-using engine just as fast as any other oil. And it made the engine run hotter than Rotella T6. Of course, Bill has run his own comparative tests. But he hasn't gotten around to posting the results. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Cavi Mike on 08/16/12 at 19:12:23 I've been warned not to mess with Bill and his Klotz. Serious business. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/16/12 at 19:49:01 :D Bill and his Klotz, what a sweet romance ..... Never get between a man and his sweetheart. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by tizzyfit on 08/17/12 at 00:51:48 Just received my oil filter order from Motorcycle Superstore yesterday. They charged $3.99 a piece for HiFlo filters (HF137) SKU 87703. This probably isn't the very cheapest price for these filters but I've always had decent luck dealing with this company in the past. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Routy on 08/17/12 at 07:19:41 Maybe I'll install a Frantz toilet paper filter ? Or maybe a bipass spin-on conversion ? Could be an oil cooler also ? Then maybe I would change the filter often-er ? |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/12 at 12:46:19 Instead of changing your oil, you change your filter element (which costs about as much as two quarts of oil)_ ..... and then you add most of a quart to make up what you lost when you changed out the soggy filter element. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by WD on 08/17/12 at 13:29:36 Get in touch with Kim out in Washington, tell her we need a board "Bent " run. They usually have a couple thousand between the shelf boxes and the attic overflow. Way back to when Emgo filters came in yellow boxes. If the oil comes out filthy, I change the filter. If it comes out a light brown or paler I reuse the filter without disturbing the filter cavity. I wish it took a spin on filter, a Kawaski 800 filter costs $3.95 at Wal-mart, and that also fits several years of 1500/1600 cc motors. Why Slopokey in its infinite lack of wisdom couldn't screw up and get just one thing right... The rest of the cruiser line takes a spin-on, they just had to have one oddball out.. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by bill67 on 08/17/12 at 13:34:55 Motorcycle light bulbs prices rising fast maybe a guy should stock up on those too. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Savage_Rob on 08/17/12 at 14:37:17 262D28287273440 wrote:
Thanks but I have a couple of spares and they don't burn out often. If they did, I'd convert to LEDs. I might do that anyway at some point. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Boofer on 08/17/12 at 17:07:21 Apparently you guys never buy groceries, or you wouldn't be so concerned over oil filters. ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/12 at 17:35:04 Buying 5 oil filters cheap means more burger in the chili this week. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by clearush on 08/17/12 at 22:32:13 http://www.amazon.com/1996-2012-Suzuki-DR650-DR650SE-Filter/dp/B0087720QK/ref=sr_1_7?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1345265077&sr=1-7&keywords=dr650+oil+filter $3.60 a piece shipped if you buy an 8 pack but only 3 sets left |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/17/12 at 22:55:45 Got shipping confirmation on the $2.94 filters from the start of the thread, so I would say that they are for real. Buy as many as you can stomach, the $6.99 shipping doesn't increase for any quantity over 3 -- to right on up there. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by MarcosS40 on 08/18/12 at 04:24:11 I just bought a HiFlo filter from MC Superstore for $3.99 and because I purchased enough other items, It was free shipping on the lot. Their warehouse is in Kentucky and I get the stuff in 2 days usually. It's fast and easy so I won't quibble over a few cents I might save elsewhere. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Cavi Mike on 08/18/12 at 04:42:14 17343C3E3D34343D2A580 wrote:
Did you really just compare a quarterly expense to a weekly expense? And I'm pretty sure that if you laid down $20 for oil filters this week instead of spreading out that expenditure over the next year, you'd have a lot LESS money for chili this week. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/18/12 at 09:30:05 No, it was even worse. 5 motorcycle oil filters is a 5 year supply (multi-year car stuff expense) out of my pocket and the wife buys the weekly hamburger along with the rest of the groceries out of her monthly household cash flow -- it was actually a false premise "statement for effect" as the two were actually completely unrelated budget-wise. But we were talking to Willy in Billish, so it really doesn't matter -- it made sense to him. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Savage_Rob on 08/20/12 at 12:44:58 547979707364160 wrote:
Some things can be bought in bulk and will keep. If I find a particularly good bulk deal on groceries that I'd normally buy anyway, and they'll keep long enough for me to make use of them, I will often take advantage of that sort of thing. I'll buy a year's worth of razors or 3 month's worth of soap at Sam's. To me, oil filters work the same way. Fresh produce like tomatoes or bananas; not so much. There are exceptions there too, of course. I'll vacuum seal and freeze some stuff and dehydrate a few things. I haven't ever taken up canning though my mother and grandmother did when I was a kid. We'd get loads of stuff from the local farmer's market and spend days shucking corn, stringing beans, scrubbing and slicing cucumbers and okra, and washing figs, strawberries, etc. We'd have Ball and Mason jars full of pickles, relish, preserves and such that would last months or years on shelves in the garage. So yeah, buying in bulk is viable fo a lot of stuff, including some groceries. And, as stated above, I'll take my savings when I can. I have one motorcycle and I plan to keep her running for quite a few more years. A handful of oil filters is workable for me. Almost forgot... I received my shipping confirmation this morning from the supplier listed at the beginning of this thread (oemcycle.com). |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/20/12 at 13:14:23 Got my filters in, they honored cost and shipping so I have no beef at all with the low cost supplier. Filters are different physically, with the Emgo and the Hiflo both coming in at 45 pleats but with the filter paper being thicker and more flat folded on the Hiflo and the width (or height) of the filter being 1/16" wider/longer than the Emgo. Bypass valve entry hole is very slightly smaller on the Hiflow, but that could be simple punch wear in the tooling and not be a design item, in any case the diameter difference is trivial to the function of a bypass valve. Emgo's have always been noted as being a little bit shorter than a stock Suzuki filter, so I would say the Hiflo is likely running closer to the stock filter in its width/height dimensions. OD diameter is same same with both filters, ditto for the spring recess. In a stock Savage both filters will fit and function fine. ;) Hey, for only $2.94 a filter, they ain't bad by anybody's estimation. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Savage_Rob on 08/20/12 at 13:23:49 57747C7E7D74747D6A180 wrote:
The HiFlo is what was advertised at the oemcycle.com link near the beginning of this thread for $2.94. Did you use oemcycle.com and if so, did they send you HiFlo or Emgo? |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/20/12 at 15:45:50 Yes, I used oemcycle.com and yes they shipped Hiflow filters. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Savage_Rob on 08/23/12 at 15:15:58 5271797B787171786F1D0 wrote:
Thanks. Yeah, mine arrived today and are exactly as ordered. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 08/23/12 at 16:33:29 Not bad looking filters at all, actually. Look better than an EMGO, actually. I am gonna cheat me a little cheat next time I take my big super magnet off my oil filter. I am gonna use my little Chinese lathe and cut into one of the magnet flat faces by 1/16" deep and take that cut from the ID hole out to the OD size of the end cap of a Hiflofiltro oil filter unit. Now, when I want to use a EMGO filter unit I will put the flat side of the magnet to the filter housing, and when I use a Hiflofiltro filter unit I will put the dished out side to the filter housing. This way I can use either kind of filter at will, and I still have my bypass oil filter end space correctly maintained by my little cork strips while my bulky arsed super magnet stays all properly supported ..... ;) see, you can work your way past most unexpected things if you take a bit of time and just think your way through it. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by prechermike on 09/27/12 at 15:33:36 0E2D2527242D2D2433410 wrote:
Anyone happen to know the Wix number? or if they even make a filter to fit? |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by rfw2003 on 09/27/12 at 15:47:25 111304020904130C080A04610 wrote:
Anyone happen to know the Wix number? or if they even make a filter to fit?[/quote] Doesn't look like they do. Tried various different brands for the filter cross ref part numbers and none of them will match up to a wix filter. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by RidgeRunner13 on 09/27/12 at 18:55:20 I think I found a Fram number once but no one had it. I just gave up & got EMGOs on sale ay JCW. Suzuki has some weird oil filters for some strange reason. And it doesn't get much better for their bikes with spin on filters like the C50. They use a thread pitch different from everything else so there are few aftermarket filters that fit them. 8-) I have a lot more choices for my V-Star. ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Boofer on 09/27/12 at 20:42:51 With the price of oil being what it is, why wouldn't you want an equally priced filter? ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/27/12 at 20:48:46 0320282A292020293E4C0 wrote:
I taped on of those "Super Magnets" to the differential on a Jeep. Drove for a month, the magnet was powder,, busted into tiny, not so super magnety, stuff. IOW, Ill bet that magnet goes to pieces, |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Cavi Mike on 09/28/12 at 04:35:34 5C48591C1E1E1D2E0 wrote:
A little over 1 month later and they're up to $4.45. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Gyrobob on 09/28/12 at 05:07:25 38373E3A292E28335B0 wrote:
They always say only three left. Are these filters any good? I wonder who makes them? If they get a thumbs up from you know-it-alls, I'll buy the set of eight, and then sell four at cost to anyone in the Atlanta area that wants them. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 09/28/12 at 06:17:08 5E4147405D5A6B5B6B53414D06340 wrote:
I taped on of those "Super Magnets" to the differential on a Jeep. Drove for a month, the magnet was powder,, busted into tiny, not so super magnety, stuff. IOW, Ill bet that magnet goes to pieces, [/quote] Why is that, Justin? It is a big 3/8 thick lump of nickel plated powdered metal that has been in there for years and years now. Do you think shaving off 50 thousandths off of only part of one side is going to structurally weaken it that much? I guess if I can avoid the risk mebbe I should, them magnets are relatively more "fragile" than solid steel after all. I could sub in a thinner "O" ring on the back side of the filter to create the extra room that is needed for the stack up -- I've got me an "O" ring set from Harbor Freight that has the right ID to grip the spud and the diameter change is about right, so I'll try that instead. Thanks for the thought -- worth pursuing I think. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Gyrobob on 09/28/12 at 07:02:06 What does the magnet do? |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Oldfeller on 09/28/12 at 07:42:37 It amuses me by collecting all the ferrous bits and pieces, including those that are too fine to be collected by the oil filter. Some would try to argue that removing all minute ferrous trash might have some slight benefit to ball bearing races and balls, but I know more ferrous trash is being made all the time and all I am really doing is giving them just one shot at doing damage instead of allowing them to recirculate time after time after time. Like I said, it amuses me .... If I had the guts to run some really extended drain intervals it might amuse me more, but I don't -- I still change the oil every year and change the filter every 2 years (although I have been known to reuse the filter after washing out and collecting & analysing all the stuff caught in the pleats). It all amuses the heck out of me, and that's what counts with them super duper smagnet augmented filter systems. ;) |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Savage_Rob on 10/03/12 at 12:24:26 I took the magnet out of mine. It just made everything fit so tightly that it bugged me. It was handy to be able to stick tools to the side of the engine though. At one point I though it had caused the aluminum cover to crack at the edges of the magnet. Then I realized it had just collected some ferrous "dust" while I was riding and it had adhered to the outside of the cover at the edges of the magnet. The magnet is on the back of my sissy bar backrest now. Still works for tools. |
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Title: Re: Oil filter prices rising fast .... Post by Gyrobob on 10/03/12 at 12:43:49 193A3230333A3A3324560 wrote:
That's the whole reason we play with these machines, eh? Not much else matters. |
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