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Title: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 06/02/12 at 09:29:38 Performance Carburetor Kit -36/38mm Mikuni VM round slide carburetor -Custom made throttle cable by Barnett (there are 3 types depending on the model year of your bike) -Rubber mounting flange -Jet container with additional main jets & pilot jets) -Sudco/Mikuni Carburetor manual -Spark plug -Uni Air Filter Kit price $429 Shipping within the US is included International shipping is extra; actual cost only determined by your location |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by arteacher on 06/02/12 at 10:10:44 What performance improvements can be expected with this kit, including the UFO? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Savage_Rob on 06/08/12 at 22:39:14 I don't have the Mikuni but I have an Amal Mk2 which appears to be very similar. For me, the main change is that it's a heck of a lot more responsive. There's no lag while you wait for the diaphragm to pull the needle. This comes at the price of fuel economy but adds simplicity. I'm sure Lancer can give you a more complete answer but that's my short version. I love my roundslide carb. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 06/09/12 at 08:02:10 3E35353C303F3E2425510 wrote:
The round slide is noticeably more responsive and will flow more fuel/air ... as much as you would ever want for this engine. Potential for power increases is substantial. How much power depends on what you do to other parts, but this carb is more than capable of handling anything you may ever desire to do. The UFO enhances the efficiency of the low and mid range circuits. That is why a smaller pilot jet is needed with the UFO. It's shape smooths the inside shape of the carb bore which enables the incoming air to move straighter and faster, which picks up the fuel needed more effectively and efficiently. Dyno tests show up to a 1 hp increase for each 100cc of engine displacement. On our 650 this equates to an additional 5-6 hp in the low to mid range...that is a very big bump in almost instantaneous available power. The responsiveness is remarkable. IT JUMPS. It certainly does take more fuel to make more power but if tuned well the fuel needed to make the power needed to cruise down the road is still the same, so milage can be close to a stock carb setup. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Paraquat on 06/09/12 at 21:31:11 What? No air filter? ::) --Steve |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 06/12/12 at 03:02:35 1425362535312530440 wrote:
No filter :-/ |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Smokestack on 06/12/12 at 15:15:52 I can vouch for the HP bump; I just put this on, and while it took me a bit to get tuned up, the difference is noticable. Just for kicks, I took a new S40 for a "test ride" at the local stealer... ahem, "dealer", then rode mine home. Definitely a noticable difference. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by built2last66 on 06/16/12 at 16:17:55 Can I use that carb in my aircraft? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 06/16/12 at 18:21:11 It is not an aerobatic carb. Seems like the aircraft carbs I saw ( and its been quite a few years ) had butterfly valves, not slide valves. In an inverted position, purposeful or not, the slide may possibly fail and the float system would be inoperative and result in fuel starvation. So, probably not a good idea on this one..........but a very interesting question !! ;) I do love flying. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by verslagen1 on 06/16/12 at 18:36:42 the issue with carbs and inverted flying is the float. inverted gravity takes over and shuts off the gas. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by grabber_blue on 11/16/12 at 13:01:27 Which air filter(s) can you recommend for this carb? Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 11/16/12 at 14:18:49 5D6A6B69667D6A503F3A485B0F0 wrote:
I typically use the smallest K&N cone I can get with a 62-64mm flange ID. Go to the "Universal Air Filter" section on www.knpowersports.com site. The SN-2570 is a decent one, but choose based on your needs...like is your air box still in the frame or out ? Distance from carb to air box is only about 5" max or slightly less. The space is tight. You can go a cheaper route with an Emgo stainless mesh filter that is even smaller but does not filter quite as well. They were only about $10 last time I got one from from www.speedmoto.com or they can be found on ebay for $15-20. Thunder Products has foam filters used on racing dirt bikes for not much as well. Lonn is the owner is a good dude. www.thunderproducts.com. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by grabber_blue on 11/17/12 at 19:09:42 Stock air box is still in place, as is the stock battery box. I wonder if this 60.1mm one could be made to work? Boulevard S40 Savage Pod Style Cone Air Filter (http://www.ebay.com/itm/120766649298?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649) |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by LANCER on 11/18/12 at 03:46:33 142322202F34231976730112460 wrote:
Wow, that is quite a mark up on the actual cost. Speed Moto has an bay store with this same 60mm filter for $10. Or go to www.speedmotoco.com and check out their website. They have some cool stuff that we can use on the Savage/s40. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by grabber_blue on 11/18/12 at 12:16:20 ...continued looking and found 60mm Universal Clamp-on Air Filter Pod (http://www.ebay.com/itm/60mm-Universal-Clamp-on-Air-Filter-Pod-Cleaner-For-Honda-Yamaha-Suzuki-Kawasaki-/221154956994?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item337ddcd6c2&vxp=mtr) for $5.99 shipped But thanks for pointing me to Speed Moto. I really didn't have anything else to do today LOL. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by Paraquat on 11/19/12 at 06:07:02 Seriously? How did I miss this post? Why was mine so much more expensive? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by grabber_blue on 11/19/12 at 08:03:09 Not sure how you missed it. Maybe they're new to eBay? It's oriental but I think it filters the same way. Lancer, what do I do with my battery box if I want open element filter? It already has a relief in it for the 60mm air tube from carb to airbox. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by LANCER on 11/19/12 at 16:46:03 685F5E5C53485F650A0F7D6E3A0 wrote:
The little Emgo filter will fit above the battery and the smallest K&N can be wedged in place with a slight detent in the filter where it contacts the battery cover top. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by Roberto1444 on 11/26/12 at 16:22:16 Hi Lancer I bought a Jetset from you (that grumbler guy from Brazil) unaware of the differences in jetting between bikes for the US market and those for the Brazilian. Ha! Totally different juices, man. Stock jets here are 125 and 47.5. Pff.. Fact is that I'm using the stock jets and the bike is running ok with the new dyna muffler. Well, probably almost ok, but no backfires at all. Now for some questions. 1) Do you think it's possible to find the corresponding Jetset for my "tropicalized" Mikuni, in case I install a cone air filter? I suppose those would be around this range: Main: 127.5 / 130 / 132.5 / 135 Pilot: 45 / 47.5 / 50 2) What about the 2/3 spacer, would it be compatible with my 125 / 47.5 jet scheme, in your opinion? 3) I am contemplating purchasing a performance carburetor kit from you, but there's this jets issue. Considering the different fuels (next month our gasoline will be mixed with 20% ethanol >:(), would it be possible for you to provide jets that would cover the range corresponding to the 125/47.5 in the stock Mikuni BS40 adapted to our local juice? I mean, if it's possible to extrapolate that. 4) Your performance camshaft seems to be excellent, but why not upgrade this engine to a solid roller camshaft system, once and for all? |
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Title: Performance Carb Kit Reveiw/Install on 2/17/13 Post by rat907 on 02/17/13 at 07:28:57 The kit is as pictured and delivery was in a timely manner. I had already had my stock bike partially stripped to work on it and I am a driveway mechanic by hobby, so installation time would be a moot point here. This was installed in a gravel driveway under the southern Nevada spring sun in around 2 hours. The rubber carb flange on my 2005 was giving me some concernes with visions of stripped phillips heads, hours of drilling and tapping of frozen screws but that wasn't the case. A 1/4 drive ratchet, 8mm socket and the largerst phillips head drive bit took out the screws with realitive ease. It just took patience, hard force on the ratchet to seat the the bit in the screw slots and gentle coaxing on the ratchet handle to get the screws to cooperate. The kit supplied rubber flange was the correct size and went in place effortlessly, though I'd recomment a dab of anti-seize on the screw threads for future removal. Battery and batt box was removed prior to make room for my medium sized mitts and work to be preformed. Mounting the VM carb was the tricky part and I had to relocate a small black box (.75 X 1.5 X 2 inches) rearward to clear the chrome 90 degree throttle cable bend that sticks out of the top of the carb. It was a matter of using 2 small zip ties to secure it to the wire harness just ahead of the fuel tank/seat tab mounting bracket to keep it from flopping around. Pushing/twisting the VM spigot into the the rubber flange was an excersize in stregnth even with shade tree assembly lube (aka vasoline). It's tight folks, but it won't be a future source for any vacuum leaks I can guarantee. Routing/installing the custom throttle cable was rudementary and simple to do. Battery box was reinstalled, I did have to reroute the starter hot wire (I just didn't want to fight with it). I elected to retain the original airbox, so the free space between the VM intake spigot and the airbox was just a little shorter. Even with shade tree assembly lube on the inner lip of the carbside waffle air hose, it took alot of coaxing (2 screwdrivers and a bunch of determination) to get the hose in place. The distance was shorter and the carb spigot so tight, I didn't need to use the factory hose clamps, it mated solidly against the airbox but was kink free. There was the need of a Raptor fuel valve. The factory valve is vacuum operated and the VM doen't come equipped with a vacuum post or nipple. Luckily the local bike shop just happens to stock the Raptor as a common item. Down side of this Raptor is that it's for a Honda and the valve neck is shorter than the Yamaha one. To make it work and seat solidly, I had to make clearance between the fuel tanks seam and the valves dial face. This was accomplished by a header installation trick to dent the seam. To bend the seam away from the valve face. I dented it (and you really have to look close to see it) by striking a large socket larger than the valve with a hammer. Center the socket with the rectangle valve hole on the seam and strike it soundly. working away from the center towards each bolt hole and checking progress by remounting the valve after every swing, making sure I wasn't over doing the modification. It now sit as it should and the denting is not noticable and no paint was harmed in the process. After a warm-up and pre-tuning, the test ride came to fine tune the VM. I will admit that the feel and response is different like a whole other bike. The VM is a two stage system, idle and main jets which makes even a dumb ass like me able to tweak the carb. After a few streets and noting throttle response, I had the enrichener/air screw dialed in and RPM at idle between 800-1000. It's not a Harley, so I did not want the dying lope of the idle sound and wanted the upper end to get proper lubrication. If you want a Harley sound, buy a Harley cause this thumper is a breed of it's own (and prone free of roadside retightening of fasteners rattled loose). Hats off to LANCER, his kit and a great ride with snappier response to a slight twist of the throttle. I am a happy camper. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by singlesgoinsteady on 04/26/13 at 10:09:22 Hi Lancer, are these "pumper" carbs? Also, will they fit on a Ryca? Cheers D |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by LANCER on 04/26/13 at 15:49:04 465C5B52595046525A5C5B46415054514C350 wrote:
The VM carb in the kit is not a pumper and it can be made to fit a RYCA conversion with the right filter. The new RYCA battery box sits pretty close to the carb, whether using the stock CV carb or a replacement like the VM carb. RYCA supplies a small flat round type filter which I think is too small, especially if using the VM carb; the little filter does not flow enough air. A larger flat round filter like used on the VM carb for HD's is a better choice. K&N # RC-0850 |
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Title: Re: Performance Carb Kit Reveiw/Install on 2/17/13 Post by LANCER on 04/26/13 at 15:50:56 233025686166510 wrote:
Thanks for the good feedback & report of your installation experience. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by savagebob on 06/17/13 at 17:43:12 717C737E786F2F2A1D0 wrote:
The round slide is noticeably more responsive and will flow more fuel/air ... as much as you would ever want for this engine. Potential for power increases is substantial. How much power depends on what you do to other parts, but this carb is more than capable of handling anything you may ever desire to do. [/quote] Would this carb be up to feeding a turbocharged 650 application? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 06/18/13 at 02:46:12 110314030507000D00620 wrote:
The round slide is noticeably more responsive and will flow more fuel/air ... as much as you would ever want for this engine. Potential for power increases is substantial. How much power depends on what you do to other parts, but this carb is more than capable of handling anything you may ever desire to do. [/quote] Would this carb be up to feeding a turbocharged 650 application? [/quote] I don't know the answer for that, not knowing how much a turborcharged engine would require, but I suspect that it might. The LS650 engine, when mod'd with carb, cam, larger bore & hi-comp piston, better exhaust, etc. only needs a main jet in the 170-200 range. Available main jets go up to 720. Pilot jets used on this engine range from 12.5-20, with sizes up to 120 available. So there is a lot of room for growth. With a turbo or supercharged engine the air flow would be greatly increased, which would really improve fuel pickup due to the greater vacuum created by the faster moving air. I don't know if the fuel or air requirements would be limited by this carb or not...it would be interesting. I assume it would be necessary to set the carb up while on a dyno to make sure you had the correct jetting/tuning. If you build an engine with a turbo/s-charger I would be happy to help with the carb needed for it. Send me a PM and we can talk about what would be the best choice for your engine. If the 36mm VM is not adequate then there are certainly other choices; we can find what will work for it. There is the 38mm and after that the 44mm. Ever seen a 44 ? It's a BIG HONKING CARB ! |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by Dave on 06/18/13 at 04:45:47 I am going to stick my nose in this.......I got a few opinions about the turbocharger set up. Stay with the stock piston.....you want the low compresssion to give room for the turbo to work. If you go with a Wiseco you will have too much initial compression....combine that with a Turbo and you won't be able to buy fuel that will work....unless you switch to alcohol. Use a VM36 or VM38 carb. Unless you are racing and running wide open most the time.....you need the ability to have a good idle and good mixture control at riding speeds. At normal riding speeds you will not be moving enough air through a larger carb to have it meter accurately. Don't get too big of a cam....stock or Stage 1 is probably fine. You don't want a big duration as you will just be pumping unburned fuel out the exhaust. You are also unlikely to make the engine safely turn much faster.....so you are looking to get more power in the existing 6,500 rpm and under. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by savagebob on 06/18/13 at 16:27:33 I've turbocharged a few motors before (never a bike though) and thought it would be fun to see what happens with a savage. Usually I stick with the stock cam which is usually best. I would expect it would turn the 650 into the equivalent of a 1100cc in terms of air/fuel. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by LANCER on 06/24/13 at 05:38:20 112A2730212D36302B232E31420 wrote:
Dave, a question I had was whether the higher pressures of the boosted incoming air would tend to push the slide back up when wanting to let off the throttle. Is gravity and the lite spring pressure enough to overcome the air pressure ? I assume a heavier spring could be used of course if needed to counter-act the air pressure. A butterfly valve type carb would not have the issue, but they are less efficient having the butter valve in the carb throat. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by Dave on 06/24/13 at 10:25:23 4E434C4147501015220 wrote:
Dave, a question I had was whether the higher pressures of the boosted incoming air would tend to push the slide back up when wanting to let off the throttle. Is gravity and the lite spring pressure enough to overcome the air pressure ? I assume a heavier spring could be used of course if needed to counter-act the air pressure. A butterfly valve type carb would not have the issue, but they are less efficient having the butter valve in the carb throat. [/quote] The turbo would have to go between the intake port and the carb....so that it is still pulling air through the carb and not pushing it. The boost would not occur until after the air was pulled through the carb, and the only thing the carb would sense was a greater amount of air being pulled through. It would not work to pressurise the intake of the carb with a turbo - as there would no longer be a vacuum through the venturi to pull the fuel out of the float bowl, the vented float bowl would be pressurized....the Constant Veloctiy carb would really be screwed up! I have seen one carb setup on a factory modified Pontiac Trans Am, (Macho T/A) where they built a box around the carb and pressurized not only intake of the carb - but the entire carb so that everything sensed the increased air pressure. This might be a problem with the Savage as the gravity fuel flow might be affected, and you could potentially collapse the floats with enough boost. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by LANCER on 06/24/13 at 11:14:59 6D565B4C5D514A4C575F524D3E0 wrote:
Dave, a question I had was whether the higher pressures of the boosted incoming air would tend to push the slide back up when wanting to let off the throttle. Is gravity and the lite spring pressure enough to overcome the air pressure ? I assume a heavier spring could be used of course if needed to counter-act the air pressure. A butterfly valve type carb would not have the issue, but they are less efficient having the butter valve in the carb throat. [/quote] The turbo would have to go between the intake port and the carb....so that it is still pulling air through the carb and not pushing it. The boost would not occur until after the air was pulled through the carb, and the only thing the carb would sense was a greater amount of air being pulled through. It would not work to pressurise the intake of the carb with a turbo - as there would no longer be a vacuum through the venturi to pull the fuel out of the float bowl, the vented float bowl would be pressurized....the Constant Veloctiy carb would really be screwed up! I have seen one carb setup on a factory modified Pontiac Trans Am, (Macho T/A) where they built a box around the carb and pressurized not only intake of the carb - but the entire carb so that everything sensed the increased air pressure. This might be a problem with the Savage as the gravity fuel flow might be affected, and you could potentially collapse the floats with enough boost.[/quote] Ahh, so there's no issue with the carb. Good to know; thanks for the info Dave. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by uigiroux on 10/12/13 at 23:05:56 Lancer, I am very interested in your performance carb but it is a bit pricey, considering that it doesn't even include the UFO standard. I did some searching online and it seems that the Mikuni VM36 or 38 each run around $100-$150 top (but the majority of prices I've seen were closer to $100). The manual you include I just found for $14 through a link you provided. The custom throttle cable you provide I think I saw you quoted it somewhere being around $60ish. The rubber mounting flange can't be more than $10. A fuel filter can be had for $5-$50 depending on quality, though the one in the picture provided looks like its on the lower end of that spectrum. Spark plug and main jet tool are not going to be more than maybe $20. The jet container set you provide I have no real idea what it's worth, though I've seen usually a single jet runs about $10 or so, so I don't know if a set of 9, and 3 pilot jets is worth $100ish or not... So all together everything adds up to the lower to mid $200's. I guess my question is do you do any special modifications to the stock Mikuni carb once you receive it or is this simply a package that you gather the needed parts for us? I just ask because that there is what seems like a large gap in price so I'm assuming you do some mods..? If we get the UFO in your package, we still have to install ourselves or do you install for us? I just want to know if there is more benefit going with your package, having if modified or machined to increase stock performance, as opposed to buying each of the parts separately myself??? Thanks for your help! uigiroux |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by uigiroux on 10/12/13 at 23:31:28 Also I don't think I've seen any comments by you regarding the Dial-A-Jet that Thunder Products provides, as well as the UFO. From what I've read those two in combination (also the Quad Flow Torque Wing) all work together to significantly improve power and performance. Thoughts? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit: $369.95 Post by LANCER on 10/24/13 at 04:58:36 I had written a response to your questions earlier but obviously it did not post at the time. The price I have on the carb kit leaves about 25% profit for me for my time spent gathering the parts and setting up the carb. Besides the parts cost, the cost of shipping the parts from the various suppliers to me and then shipping the completed kit to the customer adds $60-70 to the total. I usually spend 2-3 hours in the process. If a UFO &/or DAJ is added then the parts cost and another $15 in shipping is added as well as about 2 hours more in prep time. A significant amount of time was spent working with the Barnett company to create throttle cables for the 3 types of throttle attachments Suzuki uses on the LS650 models, as well as for Mikuni VM, Amal Mark II & Edelbrock Quicksilver carburetors. I worked a long time testing assorted carbs to find the one which produced the best bang for the buck. I have posted in the past about the VM carb on my Savage with UFO & DAJ. They do work very well together. Those posts are probably several years back; a diligent search should bring them up. Also, Lonn, owner of Thunder Products, has excellent write-ups on the function and advantages of the parts. I don't think 25% profit is unfair, considering I offer a good performing alternative to the stock carb, containing all the necessary items to make it a direct bolt-on process, and have made it very convenient for most who may not know where to go or exactly what to order to make it work on the LS engine, and of course my time spent doing so. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Zchan858 on 10/29/13 at 15:59:46 for the main jet and pilot jet what dial/size for each one are you using? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by rxthumper on 11/21/13 at 16:58:29 lancer, i have 05 s40 with dyna muffler and rejet kit,time to upgrade. any discount on carb & cam package?will also be running ported and polished head. how much hp and torq gains will i see with these upgrades? you can email price to rxall1969@gmail.com. thanks and looking forward to doing business with you. carb with ufo installed but which cam should should i buy? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by uigiroux on 12/15/13 at 22:14:17 Lance, I wanted to know if and how much it would cost to order just the Barnett fuel cable from you for a 2007 savage. I'm going to get the carb and all that but I found one locally so I just need the custom fuel cable. Also, I'm trying to decide on which carb size to get. I haven't gottena performance cam or big bore yet but plan too. Would you recommend going with the vm36 or 38? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 12/18/13 at 03:31:39 4C505E504B564C41390 wrote:
The throttle cable is $60. Use the 36VM, it will handle anything you do to the engine. Which jets ? The jets/needle settings can vary quite a bit, depending on your engines setup. In general ... very generally ... 17.5 pilot jet, 185 main jet, and the needle clip on the 3rd (middle) groove. That is a GENERAL starting point. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by uigiroux on 02/17/14 at 15:49:03 Lancer, I would like to order the Barnett cable from you along with the jets and needle kit. I have done the Ryca 2" fork lowering and also took the bar risers off so the bars are 1" raised. Also I have a pod filter and switched to the Dyna exhaust. Lastly, I live in Houston so I'll pretty much only be driving at sea level so if you have suggestions for proper jetting sizes of the needle and jet I'd greatly appreciate it. Please let me know how to proceed with ordering and your thoughts on the info I provided about my bike and altitude. I will be using this for the Mikuni Vm36 carburetor with UFO and eventually will be installing a DIAL-A-JET. Please email me at uigiroux@gmail.com if possible rather than response over forum as its easier for me. Best Uriah |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 02/18/14 at 09:06:29 716D636D766B717C040 wrote:
Got your info; will email you later this evening; spending the day with mama |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Jkirt on 03/22/14 at 19:34:49 If I put this in my savage as is with a air pod filter.. will I need to rejet anything.. or is this a plug and play? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by uigiroux on 03/22/14 at 20:45:31 2E232C2127307075420 wrote:
Got your info; will email you later this evening; spending the day with mama[/quote] Still waiting for that response ...? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 03/23/14 at 02:39:04 7B6769677C617B760E0 wrote:
Got your info; will email you later this evening; spending the day with mama[/quote] Still waiting for that response ...? [/quote] Email sent Had a problem... the email came back "The error that the other server returned was: 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable" |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 03/23/14 at 02:49:36 I tried email again ... so far so good. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Loud3r on 03/30/14 at 01:04:55 Motorgasmn. I know what I'm saving up for! |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by verslagen1 on 02/13/15 at 14:06:30 Thanks for the new carb flanges |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 02/13/15 at 19:11:37 203324253A3731333867560 wrote:
Yep |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 03/29/15 at 03:20:11 38353A3731266663540 wrote:
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Anthony on 02/02/16 at 11:58:12 I hate to revive an old thread, but I have been lurking for about a year and I'm interested in buying a carb kit from lancer. Lancer I sent you an email in regards to it because I don't have enough posts to pm you. Thanks in advance. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Maine413 on 01/15/18 at 15:57:00 Hey Lancer, I recently finished my build, just to find out that I can't get the bike to start. I'm thinking it's the carb. Rather than going to the stealership and wasting a ton of money, I thought it might make sense to buy 1 of yours. 1. Do you currently sell them and chain tensioners? 2. What's the estimated ship time? 3. Is the carb bolt on, or will I need to make modifications? Thanks |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 01/15/18 at 23:15:29 0B272F2823727775460 wrote:
Howdy, Yes I do still sell them. I just packed 2 of them up and shipped them out, but I believe I have most, if not all, the parts of the carb kit & tensioner. I will check the stock and make sure before giving you a specified time for completion. If I have everything I can get it out in 2-3 days, but if I need to order anything then it would likely be the end of next week. You get everything you need, nothing else is required nor are any modifications needed. The current price is $399, and I have also added a Uni air filter to the kit. There are 3 options available: -UFO (Ultimate Flow Optimizer), Installed .......$75 -DAJ (Dial-a-jet), Installed ............................$125 -QFTW (Quad Flow Torque Wing), Installed .....$125 You can check these items out to see what they do to add efficiency and performance enhancements to the VM carburetor. The UFO gives the biggest "Bang for your buck" of anything out there, increasing hp to the engine at 1hp for every 100cc's of engine displacement. With our engine being 652 cc's, that is a 5-6 hp bump just by adding the UFO. You can look and see all of these items at the website of Thunder Products; www.thunderproducts.com. You can also call them and talk to Lonn (pronounced like "lawn") who is the owner and a prolific inventor. He also happens to be a very nice man as well. Oh, his wife's name is Ann and often answers the phone. Yep, she is a sweet heart too. I take Paypal, with payment made to "savage.s40@gmail.com"; postal money orders; personal checks; or cash ... if you are comfortable sending these amounts in the mail/UPS/Fedex etc. I did have someone send cash this past year using USPS Priority and everything went as it should. Most folks just use Paypal. It is quick and easy. I can also send you an invoice to your email address with which you can use Paypal, or a credit/debit account. When ordering, do not forget to give me the model year of your bike. I need that to select the correct custom throttle cable for your kit. There are 3 types used, based on the model year groups that Suzuki used: 1986-89; 1995-2004; and 2005-present. Each of these groups has a different mounting for the throttle cable. I think that is everything you need information wise, but then this is the middle of the night so my brain may have skipped something...it happens :-? If so, I will wrap it in a tiny note and send it via carrier pigeon. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Maine413 on 01/16/18 at 11:15:26 Sounds good. Do you have a phone # where you can be reached? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 01/16/18 at 16:19:34 426E66616A3B3E3C0F0 wrote:
Home: 918-652-3500 Cell/text: 539-777-8141 Call home # first, cell service here is not good at all. A text will usually get through. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Krusher on 01/19/18 at 14:44:45 Lancer I'd like a price on more than one item. Can you please contact me. Face book - Krusher Mudguy email- Krusher250@hotmail.com Thanks in Advance Rob |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Maine413 on 01/21/18 at 20:59:00 Payment sent! |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by snels516 on 04/01/18 at 14:14:37 I sent you a PM in regards |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Diamond T on 05/26/18 at 13:05:31 Ready to order the carb kit, 2002 , mods already done 95mm. Wiseco, stage 3 cam , verlsave, gp shorty muffler but changing to baffled megaphone , rebuilt stock head, should I go with 36mm or 38 mm. going have you do all three thunder products mods. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 05/26/18 at 14:12:53 4F5C4B4A55585E5C5708390 wrote:
My pleasure |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 05/31/18 at 18:50:27 RECENT CHANGES to Carb Kit 36 or 38mm carb depending on application Throttle cable Rubber flange Carb manual Jet Pak Mikuni carb tool kit (in place of main jet tool) Uni air filter added (Fuel filter eliminated) Spark plug |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by 350Fixer on 06/25/18 at 13:42:58 Hey, Lancer. I'm a new member, and probably would have never found the Forum, except that my wife has a box-stock '06 S40 that has been sitting in the garage for the last 8 years unridden. Was actually thinking about listing it for sale, but she's just decided that she wants me to get it back on the road. The tank had gas when she parked it, and I know that the carb wasn't run dry, so I'll need a fresh carb. Don't want too much for a performance bump, since it'll just be a daily commuter and she's not really a speed freak (She's got an Audi for that anyway). I like what you're doing with the carb kits, and would like your opinion on what would work best for a stocker that I don't want a lot out of. Thanks, 350Fixer |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 06/25/18 at 14:19:20 6A6C691F30213C2B590 wrote:
For what you described you would do better pulling the stock carb and cleaning it really good, to include insuring all of the very tiny passageways and holes ... not just the jets ... are clear and able to flow fuel/air. There is a carb cleaning tool used for the tiny holes/passageways and I think that costs about $15. It is just like the cleaning tool a welder uses on the nozzles for his gas welding set. I don't stock that but it can be ordered. However, you can usually clean the holes with a can of carb cleaner followed by compressed air. If you have not done this before you should use a face shield or goggles at least because when spraying it carb cleaner will come out of holes unexpectedly. OH YEA ! Yep...done that a few times. Once that is done you should re-jet the carb and tune it for the engine. I have a JETSET which contains 3 pilot jets, 3 main jets, 3 washers to replace the white spacer and float bowl gasket. $30 There is also a Stainless Allen Head Screw Set: 4 screws each for the top of the carb and float bowl, as well as 3 for the little cover on the right side of the carb. $15. The screws on the stock CV carb are made of inferior soft metal and will strip out in a flash. Judicious use of an impact driver will help a lot. Just be careful of the carbs aluminum body. There are 2 tiny screws down inside the carbs slide which need to be removed to get the white plastic spacer out and replaced with the 3 washers, and those should also be replaced. A good replacement are screws from the old desktop computer boxes, the are of good quality steel. If you get both the JETSET & Screw Set the price is just $40 for both, and that includes shipping in the US. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by 350Fixer on 06/25/18 at 15:02:25 To be 100% honest, I'm a traveling contract airplane mechanic and have more money than time. I'd rather replace in an hour than repair in 4 while I'm home, as my "home time" is limited. I am normally traveling for 60 days and at the house for less than 45 before I'm back out again. I love working on engines (cars,trucks.bikes, airplanes, helicopters, etc.) but my time at home is limited, and valuable enough that I would gladly pay for the "Bolt-on" solution to get the bike back on the road (and make the wife happy). I already know I'll have to replace vacuum lines,battery, tires & tubes, thoroughly clean out the tank, replace the fuel lines and put on a Raptor petc0ck. All just to get it roadworthy again. Dealing with carb issues is one i'd rather avoid if possible. 'Fixer |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 06/26/18 at 09:24:58 Ok, I understand your rationale. In that case then the basic 36mm VM carb kit is where I start. I’ve recently made changes to it and in case you did not see that it is: 36 mm VM carb Throttle cable ( to fit your model year) Rubber flange Uni air filter (new) Carb manual Mikuni carb tool kit (new) Spark plug Price $399, shipping included to US addresses. I can send you an invoice for payment to you email address, which processes through PayPal and you can use a Paypal account or use credit/debit cards. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by DeeN on 07/15/18 at 17:19:45 Hi Lance, I'm a new member. I would like to purchase your performance carb kit. 36 mm VM carb Throttle cable ( to fit your model year) Rubber flange Uni air filter (new) Carb manual Mikuni carb tool kit (new) Spark plug UFO installed. I've sent you email. Thank you. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 07/16/18 at 08:10:10 0A0C097F50415C4B390 wrote:
I don't have your email address to send the invoice to so if you would rather do this more quickly you can send payment to my Paypal, savage.s40@gmail.com. Just be sure to include in the comment box the model year of the bike so I can select the correct throttle cable for it. Thanks Michael |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 07/16/18 at 08:20:17 7C50456650310 wrote:
I got your email but when I responded it came back as not deliverable. Address not found Your message wasn't delivered to outlook_9356DABC9B1FF2E5@outlook.com because the address couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail. This is what I wrote: Aries, Good morning. I trust you slept well last night, sleep is really important for overall health and well being. It certainly is for me. Performance Carburetor Kit ? Yep, I sure can. I can send you an invoice with which you can make payment using your Paypal account, or a credit or debit card account if you wish. My Paypal is "savage.s40@gmail.com". The carb kit is $399 and the installed UFO is $100, so the total is $499. Shipping is included in that total for addresses in the U.S. (International shipping charges are additional, and the amount depends on the specific address and how the shipping is done. Shipping cost can be significant depending on choices.) Kits have been selling quickly and I am out of stock on some items but more have already been ordered and should be here any day. Installation of the UFO takes some time, especially if I have multiple orders for it, so that may possibly add a couple of days to the time to ship. I will keep you notified of any changes or unexpected delays. Thank you for your consideration. Michael Lancer |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by DeeN on 07/16/18 at 10:13:44 Sounds good. Please send me an invoice, that way I can send you a payment with my paypal account. Have a nice day. Thanks, Aries |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by 350Fixer on 08/14/18 at 20:42:17 Lancer, Can't PM you, since I don't have enough Forum posts to do so yet, but don't want you to think I was blowing you off. Dave has graciously offered to rebuild my stock carb with the proper jets and set it up for the local riding region at a reasonable price, so I went that way. I have the tank soaking to remove the rust, a Raptor petcock on the way from BikeBandit, and some other parts coming in the next few days to get her back on the road. Hope to have this settled by Thanksgiving, as I'm back on the road in another week until the end of October. Thanks for the PM, and I'll keep the performance upgrades in mind if I need them. Thanks, 'Fixer |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 08/15/18 at 03:15:33 060005735C4D5047350 wrote:
Okie dokie |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Jody72 on 02/22/20 at 21:07:39 what is the most resent part list for your kit and cost? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 02/27/20 at 06:32:37 70757E632D281A0 wrote:
Basic Kit: $399 incl. shp. within US 36 VM carb, Mikuni Mikuni Jet Pak with Pilot & Main jetseie Throttle cable, Barnett (need model year of your bike) Rubber flange Sudco/Mikuni Carb Manual Mikuni Carb tool kit Air Filter, Uni Plug |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Dyrberg123 on 03/15/20 at 11:44:24 Hi Lancer, if i purchase a complete carb kit from you, will you prejet it? I have read the tread here and read about soldering jets ect - will that be needed with your kit? BR Daniel |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 03/15/20 at 15:33:52 5C616A7A7D6A7F292A2B180 wrote:
Yes, I do jet the carb to give you a decent place from which to fine tune. You get plenty of jets to play with regardless of how you build your bike. I don’t solder jets now, that was a bit of an experiment many years back that just did not work for us. When you order please include the model year of your bike so I can select the direct throttle cable. The basic kit is $399 shp. incl. in US UFO, DAJ & QFTW are extra. Payment can be Paypal’d to Savage.s40@gmail.com or I can send an invoice to your email and you can use debit/credit as well if desired. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Anthony66 on 02/22/21 at 10:35:19 Hello Lancer, I'd like to know if you still offer this kit? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 02/23/21 at 08:35:16 745B415D5A5B4C0303350 wrote:
Yes I do, need one ? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Anthony66 on 02/23/21 at 10:23:05 yes sir! let me email you all the info. edit: just saw your pm, but I'm too new to answer (I need 10 posts). I've sent you an email, we can continue the discussion there. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 02/25/21 at 04:43:16 547B617D7A7B6C2323150 wrote:
Sent you an email |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 03/15/21 at 10:42:42 BUMP |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Jdvt600 on 05/28/21 at 17:42:48 PM sent. Looking to buy the carb kit and UFO. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Dreanimal on 08/26/21 at 04:31:16 Email link won't work for some reason. I'm extremely interested in the carb kit. What is the consensus on the Dial-A-Jet? Kinda seems like snake oil but I'm curious. I have a pretty big background in EFI tuning but I never really learned carburetors. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 09/11/21 at 08:27:57 685E494D4245414D402C0 wrote:
Sent PM |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Jody72 on 05/14/22 at 19:41:01 when you put in a UFO what to recommend for jet size at first? :) 8-) |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 05/15/22 at 03:35:20 787D766B2520120 wrote:
#17.5 Is a good start. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by Jody72 on 05/15/22 at 12:33:35 What about the main? |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 05/15/22 at 16:51:08 0B0E05185653610 wrote:
The UFO does not affect main jet size. For sea level to 1,000’AGL, and with a good muffler other than the stock unit, start with a #200, follow tuning procedures. For altitudes higher reduce jet size every 1,000-2,000’ as needed. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by rdcox23 on 05/18/22 at 08:22:02 Sending you a PM. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by och on 07/17/22 at 09:27:09 Does this kit always require its own throttle cable? I had put 2" risers on my 2013, and I the stock cable was too short, so I had a custom throttle cable made, braided stainless steel . |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 07/17/22 at 09:32:43 7F7378100 wrote:
If your current stainless cable is for the stock Mikuni CV carb, then no, it won’t work. If it was made for a Mikuni VM roundslide carb then your good to go. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by och on 07/17/22 at 09:55:58 Its made for the stock carb. If I order your carb, would you be able to get a longer throttle cable to accommodate the 2" risers? Preferably braided stainless, as all my cables are such. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 07/17/22 at 15:46:42 Yes. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by och on 07/17/22 at 17:16:15 49444B4640571712250 wrote:
Awesome. I'll most likely buy this kit when the riding season is over, this way I'll have a winter project. :) |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 07/17/22 at 18:34:34 Okie dokie |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by ThumperPaul on 11/07/23 at 15:41:28 Hi Lancer. Are you still selling this carb kit? I’m thinking about buying a project Savage that already has a Mikuni VM36 installed (Murray’s Carbs). Curious what I might find inside for jets. Did I read correctly in this thread that a 200 Main with some kind of open exhaust is a good starting point? Without the UFO, what would be a starting point for the idle jet (sea level)? Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by LANCER on 11/07/23 at 17:00:19 4B776A726F7A6D4F7E6A731F0 wrote:
I typically use a #20 pilot and a #200 main jet as a starting point for a sea level location. If in a higher altitude go one size smaller for each 3000’. This assumes a good muffler like a Dyna that flows well but has decent baffling. |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by ThumperPaul on 11/07/23 at 17:42:24 Thanks Lancer. And I apologize. I just found your thorough discussion in the tech section. You detailed everything a carb tuning novice could wish for! I appreciate your taking the time to reply. Have a great evening! |
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Title: Re: Performance Carburetor Kit Post by ThumperPaul on 12/10/23 at 14:15:49 Lancer, do you sell your VM36 with the UFO (Ultimate Flow Optimizer)? If so, is that why you start with such as small #20 idle jet? The science behind the UFO seems logical, but I'm not buying the marketing hype of +1HP for every 100cc. That's like 6.5HP (call it 6%) on our bikes - going from 31 stock HP to 37HP with just this gadget (+19% increase in HP). This "slide plug" can't do all that by itself. Will it flow better in the low/mid range? probably/maybe... Will it enhance the venturi effect and improve the atomization of fuel? Again, maybe. It's like wondering how much a butterfly valve affects performance in the run position (better or worse). Call me a doubter naysayer. With all the brilliant engineers at Mikuni, why didn't they think of this? It sounds way too good to be true to me. If they just said it improves low/midrange power, it probably wouldn't sell well. So they flat out lie and say +1HP per 100cc. (Then you have to read the fine print.) |
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