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Title: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 06/01/12 at 19:25:55 PERFORMANCE CAMSHAFT A camshaft defines the character of an engine. The stock cam is mild mannered and easy going. A Performance Camshaft does a quick change in the phone booth...different attitude altogether. CAMSHAFT VALVE LIFT IN/EX DURATION @ .050 Stock camshaft .254/.244 224 Webcam std. .256/.256 226 Stage 1 .264/.264 239 Stage 2 .274/.274 248 **Stage 3 .273/.273 238 ** The Stage 3 cam profile is the only profile offered at this time since I feel it is the best profile for the LS650 engine.** Effects of duration: 220-235 => Low End Torque 235-250 => Midrange Torque 260 + => Top End Power Stage 1 camshaft is in the lower range for lift and duration; the Stage 2 is in the midrange and makes its peak torque & power 1000 rpm higher. The Stage 1 is the better choice for an otherwise stock engine or mild to moderately modified. The Stage 2 is designed for a moderate to more highly modified engine. I found this profile to move the power/torque level out of the normal riding rpm range and so discontinued it. Stage 3 was added as a blended profile of 1 & 2 with the better duration of Stage 1 to keep the power/torque in the 3500-6000rpm range but with the higher lift of Stage 2. This has proven to be a very good cam profile for our engine and the rpm range which is loves to be in, and with a good strong punch for spirited riding in the 7000rpm and below. ** Camshafts are $299 incl shp with your old cam core in exchange. $100 refundable core charge if you do not send your old cam core at the time of your order. The core charge will be refunded upon my receipt of the old usable core. http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp396%3Enu%3D323%3A%3E639%3E697%3EWSNRCG%3D3235836287%3A57nu0mrj |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by Sam7.62 on 06/04/12 at 20:14:53 sent pm, not buggin' .wasn't sure if they are working yet |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 06/05/12 at 03:23:42 30020E544D5551630 wrote:
Did not get the PM Give it another shot or email savage.s40@gmail.com |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by 360k+ on 06/11/12 at 09:18:22 Is there any data, torque curves, dyno tests, etc. that demonstrate the performance improvements that the cams provide? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 06/12/12 at 03:04:40 7375666D2D2127262D140 wrote:
I had a dyno chart a few years ago; will look to see if it is still in a file |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by SALB on 01/02/13 at 15:40:54 Do you have any overlap values for the cams? :) |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 01/03/13 at 04:21:29 77747763757D73160 wrote:
No I don't but have requested the info from Webcam. If/when I get it I will post the data. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by SALB on 01/03/13 at 20:08:06 323F303D3B2C6C695E0 wrote:
No I don't but have requested the info from Webcam. If/when I get it I will post the data.[/quote] No hurry, I'm just in the "just dream'n" phase right now. [smiley=cry.gif] |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by ChonsChopShop on 01/22/13 at 20:26:55 do you still run stock rocker arms with the stage 2 cam? i'm interested in ordering one since i need a cam and the rocker arms... i cant seem to find any anywhere... i have a thread here and someone here posted a link to a motorcycle parts site and i ordered them from there but they were out of stock. do you happen to know where i can get the rocker arms? do you happen to have any? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 01/23/13 at 02:57:05 461A535B5A4E340 wrote:
Yes, the stock rockers are used, but I do not have any new rockers. I have purchased them from Bike Bandit in the past and at the time had no back order issue. If your old rocker set is ok except for wear on the pad surface, they can be rebuilt with a Hard Weld surface which can be done by Webcam. You would need to call them for current pricing. I would normally have that done at your request when ordering a camshaft but my time is short right now. I have 2 Stage 3 camshafts in stock. Due to my move to Oklahoma quickly approaching I will not be able to process any orders for the other profiles for a while. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by ChonsChopShop on 01/23/13 at 06:20:01 Ok thanks.. Hopefully you'll have one when im ready to order.. when you have a chance, can you search up bike bandit for the rocker arms? I just did a quick search and all I found was "l. Rocker arm"... Thanks and greatly appriciated |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by mpescatori on 01/30/13 at 06:34:37 202D222F293E7E7B4C0 wrote:
Yes, the stock rockers are used, but I do not have any new rockers. I have purchased them from Bike Bandit in the past and at the time had no back order issue. If your old rocker set is ok except for wear on the pad surface, they can be rebuilt with a Hard Weld surface which can be done by Webcam. You would need to call them for current pricing. I would normally have that done at your request when ordering a camshaft but my time is short right now. I have 2 Stage 3 camshafts in stock. Due to my move to Oklahoma quickly approaching I will not be able to process any orders for the other profiles for a while. [/quote] Hello LANCER, PM sent :) |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by mpescatori on 02/08/13 at 04:43:38 One Webcam Stage 3 sold, my side of the Ocean 8-) |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 08/21/13 at 05:23:04 5E535C5157400005320 wrote:
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by SteveIsGr8 on 08/21/13 at 09:28:24 Lancer, Which cam would you recommend if you just wanted to add a muffler and your carb without doing the piston? I like to run the bike pretty hard. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 08/21/13 at 10:10:35 4E69786B78546E5A6F251D0 wrote:
Stage 1; I ran my Savage like that for quite a few years and was very pleased with the performance. You will get very good power and torque from idle to redline. Be sure to get a quality muffler; the cheap ones just burn the little packing they may have and you end up with a burned out can...harsh loud sound and poor performance, as well as having to retune again because of the change in flow. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by SteveIsGr8 on 08/21/13 at 10:18:45 Will that cam work if and when I update to the high compression piston? Also, do you have any of your small mufflers left? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 08/21/13 at 10:20:38 52756477644872467339010 wrote:
YES YES (1 Hard Krome; chromed stainless with removable stainless baffle, but there is really no need to remove the baffle, the sound is quite "robust" even with the baffle, loud but not a harsh loud) They sold for $350+ per pair; it's a good solid quality product and will last a very long time. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by SteveIsGr8 on 08/21/13 at 10:21:28 How much shipped for the muffler to 27282? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 08/21/13 at 10:28:14 5D7A6B786B477D497C360E0 wrote:
$100 even including USPS Priority shipping-3 business day delivery |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by tical on 09/13/13 at 16:42:13 maybe im dumb but how do you order these parts :D |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 09/13/13 at 18:34:22 544943414C1316200 wrote:
Just say Hey ! Then tell me what you want. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by h2eter on 11/21/13 at 10:59:33 Hey Lancer, I'm sending out my Cylinder and Wiseco 96mm piston in just a few days to Boretech to do an overbore with carbide treatment and I want a performance cam. Which cam would you recommend? It looks like Stage 3 might be the way to go but I don't know. I want more bottom to mid range. I'm not really a speed freak. It's for a bobber build. I straight piped the exhaust and added a small baffled section, went bigger on the carb jets and added a cone filter. So far she runs very well but I think I should do the performance cam if I'm doing the wiseco over-bore. Let m know what you think......... Jason |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 01/07/16 at 16:23:25 5D0750415047350 wrote:
Sorry I missed you when you posted this Jason. Yes, the Stage 3 camshaft and the Wiseco piston does make a good pair. It has been about a 3 week turn-a-round for the camshaft, from the time I send it until I receive it back. Just send me your stock camshaft and I will take care of the rest. I assume your cam is in decent shape now. The critical part are the cam bearing surfaces, they need to be in good condition. My address is: Michael Eslick 32810 S 265 Rd Henryetta, OK 74437 Pack it well with plenty of space around the cam. You do not want it touching the sides of the box at all. It could be damaged in shipping otherwise. Stage 3 Performance Camshaft: $299 My Paypal address is: savage.s40@gmail.com |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by verslagen1 on 12/07/16 at 11:38:47 How long after the initial break in do you continue the ZDDP boost? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 12/07/16 at 18:47:51 352631302F2224262D72430 wrote:
Every oil change I add the recommended amount of ZDDP. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 01/01/17 at 20:27:37 7479767B7D6A2A2F180 wrote:
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by Mnheights on 01/05/18 at 22:48:22 5459565B5D4A0A0F380 wrote:
do you have more I need 1 |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 01/06/18 at 04:19:04 Yes, I have a camshaft ready to go. Either PM me here or you can contact me by email: savage.s40@gmail.com Do you have your old camshaft out already ? A usable cam core is required in exchange, or a core charge of $100 can be added to the cost of the camshaft instead... IF NEEDED. I really prefer a usable cam core though. They are hard to come by and are needed to make the Performance Camshaft. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by Mnheights on 01/07/18 at 13:14:52 my son got on my acount we will be going stock on the motor |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by elysianforest on 09/24/20 at 01:22:26 Hi there, just wanted to let you know I sent an email about your cam since I can't PM yet. When I contacted Versy earlier it went into his junk folder for some reason, hence this heads up. Thanks! Forest |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 09/24/20 at 07:25:37 737A6F657F7778707964736562160 wrote:
Got it and answered. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by QNero on 05/27/21 at 17:41:30 I'd be interested in ordering a stage 3 cam from you guys to replace my existing. Please PM me for details and instructions to make the order. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 05/27/21 at 18:02:23 011E35223F500 wrote:
Responded on PM |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by QNero on 06/06/21 at 23:37:38 So, I have a question. Is the stage 3 Cam slightly less powerful than the stage 2 since its a 274 @248 Vs the stage 3: 273 @238? :-? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 06/07/21 at 07:27:03 504F64736E010 wrote:
No, the Stage 2 had the power band up to high in the rpm range. The Stage 3 brought that down into the the better mid range where this engine does its best work. Even so, the higher rpm range still runs very strong with #3. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by QNero on 06/07/21 at 09:42:36 Thank you for clarifying that. I was wondering if it was a typo. But, that makes sense! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by dbj on 05/02/22 at 16:14:04 So I'm a veteran motorcycle rider, but new to the S40/Savage bike. I plan on buying one real soon (next month I hope) and when searching for some performance parts, I found this site and Lancer's Camshafts. Looking on Webcam's site, the cam only works for up to 2004. Is there a major difference in the engine in 2004 prior vs 2005 and newer? Is there a performance camshaft available for 2005 and newer? Sorry for the newb question, I couldn't find any info anywhere else on this site and just want to be more informed when I purchase the bike. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 05/02/22 at 17:27:02 373139530 wrote:
If you were looking at the LS650 Camshaft on Webcams website then that is not the cam I use or sell. The cam Webcam makes for me is different from theirs, with more lift and duration. Mine is called the Stage 3. All camshafts made for the LS650 will work in all model year LS650 Savage and S40’s. The Stage 3 is $329 with a refundable core charge of $100, to be refunded upon receipt of your usable cam core. Stage 3 cams are in stock. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by dbj on 05/02/22 at 17:38:06 Thanks Lancer for the clarification. I'll definitely be contacting you for a cam once I get the bike in the garage. Also, I seen you get some performance high compression pistons made from time to time. Do you have any that fit the stock bore without being bored out? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 05/02/22 at 18:03:15 3D3B33590 wrote:
I have Wiseco 11:1 CR pistons in the stock bore of 94mm, & 97mm over bore sizes. $220 each shp. Incl. for US addresses |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by Yazman on 09/18/22 at 14:31:26 313C333E382F6F6A5D0 wrote:
I have Wiseco 11:1 CR pistons in the stock bore of 94mm, & 97mm over bore sizes. $220 each shp. Incl. for US addresses[/quote] Hey Lancer! I have a couple of questions: 1) Is the stage 3 the cam just a stock cam welded higher and reground? If so, wouldn't longevity be less than stock? 2) If you just do the cam and not the high comp piston, can you still run 87 octane? 3) Just to confirm, if you have the cam and a high comp piston, you must run 91+ octane? 4) How many hours does a cam install typically take for a reasonably mechanical person? How many hours for the 94mm high comp piston? Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by verslagen1 on 09/18/22 at 15:03:51 1C243F28242B450 wrote:
1) Properly installed and used... no. I've seen plenty of stock cams worn out before their time for many reasons. Lack of oil, improper adjustment, extensive idling on the side stand, etc. 2&3) yes, it's the CR that requires premium or regular. 4) cam can be done in 1 day, piston will require taking the engine out of frame, allow 3 days. If you've never done it before, double the estimated time if you have all parts on hand. And you should allow time for striped bolts. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by Yazman on 09/18/22 at 15:59:32 392A3D3C232E282A217E4F0 wrote:
1) Properly installed and used... no. I've seen plenty of stock cams worn out before their time for many reasons. Lack of oil, improper adjustment, extensive idling on the side stand, etc. 2&3) yes, it's the CR that requires premium or regular. 4) cam can be done in 1 day, piston will require taking the engine out of frame, allow 3 days. If you've never done it before, double the estimated time if you have all parts on hand. And you should allow time for striped bolts.[/quote] Thanks for your response! Last question: Do you think it is "worth it" to add a cam and VM36/38 to a RYCA kit bike that already has an open air filter and exhaust? Do you think there would be a noticeable gain in power/acceleration? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by verslagen1 on 09/18/22 at 18:46:26 58607B6C606F010 wrote:
Yes, especially if you know how to tune. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by Yazman on 09/18/22 at 19:58:03 6F7C6B6A75787E7C7728190 wrote:
Yes, especially if you know how to tune.[/quote] Cool! I'm assuming you mean tuning the carb? Like jets and A/F mix? Would you recommend VM36 or 38? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 09/19/22 at 12:28:51 003823343837590 wrote:
Yes, especially if you know how to tune.[/quote] Cool! I'm assuming you mean tuning the carb? Like jets and A/F mix? Would you recommend VM36 or 38? [/quote] I use the 36mm on my bike and sell in the carb kit. The 38 may have a slight advantage in the high throttle and rpm ranges, but how much do you ride in the 3/4-WOT range ? With the smaller 36mm bore the incoming air velocity will be greater and provide better pickup and atomization of the fuel, which helps yield better combustion efficiency. Zoom zoom. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by och on 09/19/22 at 17:16:38 Lancer, do you offer installation of your parts, lets say if I brought the bike to you during the winter to do cams, piston and carb? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by YODEX on 01/14/23 at 09:58:32 Can i use the STAGE 3 Cam with no extra mods? just changing the jets on the stock carb? |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by Yazman on 01/14/23 at 10:47:42 Yes. The way it was explained to me, there is a multiplicative effect and not an additive effect when you add these performance parts. In other words, just a carb alone gives a nice performance boost, and just a cam alone gives a nice performance boost, but if you put the two of them together you get more power because they work synergistically with each other. Even more so if you add the high compression piston along with the other two. In my opinion, if you're doing the cam you may as well go for the high compression piston. It really wasn't that much more work for me, and you're already tearing the engine almost all the way down anyways. Or, start off with the Chinese knockoff MK38 for $40, give it dialed in, and see if that meets your performance expectations. If you still need more speed, go for the cam and high comp piston. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 01/16/23 at 04:18:01 Och: I’m sorry for missing your question before, I just didn’t see it. I no longer do parts installation, however, if you want to come here to do the work I will be happy to advise you as you do the work. YODEX: Yes, you can use any of the 3 parts individually if desired. If using just the Stage 3 Camshaft you will gain performance and a re-tune/jet of the stock carb is all that is required. If you still have a stock muffler it will be beneficial for you to go with a better flowing muffler. A HD Dyna muffler works very well, it sounds good and makes good power and is inexpensive. Yazman: You are correct about the synergistic effect of using multiple components. Also, if changing the cam the extra work involved in changing the piston is not that much more so it’s reasonable to go ahead with that too. IVE not messed with the Chinese knock off carb so cannot comment on that. I refer you to DBM’s thread on that. Remember, a good flowing exhaust system is important to round out the build. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by YODEX on 02/16/23 at 09:18:03 thnax for answering, i found a 97mm piston on ebay so i thik ill use it as a combo, can you sell me the parts for the VM36? i have the carb already thanx |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 02/18/23 at 17:52:55 Will send you a PM |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by Steve 001 on 07/08/23 at 10:16:38 I have a 07 s40 are your camshafts bolt on or do you need to measure all clearances? So far my only mods are a k&n filter and a amgo muffler with a carb rejet kit. My thoughts are a stage 2 or 3 cam. After a year then pull it down one more time and bore the cylinder and a new high comp piston. I just can't tie up a slot in a shop for the time it would take to wait for the cylinder to be bored . I will have my own shop next year and then I won't be rushed and can take my time. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 07/08/23 at 12:56:08 1E3C21363D3C550 wrote:
The Stage 3 cam is installed just like the stock cam, no difference. Use the same numbers for the valve adjustment as well. My Wiseco High Comp. piston is a 94mm bore size, same as stock, so no boring required (assuming your cylinder meets factory spec’s) just a good hone is needed. You should check all clearances to insure a proper fit. My last cam just sold a couple of days ago, but more are on order. Hopefully they will be ready in 2-3 weeks. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 08/31/23 at 10:52:11 New Stage 3 camshafts are arriving tomorrow. If you need one send a PM or email me to secure one of these cams. I’m getting 4 of them and one is already called for. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by Riley_N on 02/13/24 at 07:16:24 3538373A3C2B6B6E590 wrote:
I would love to buy one of the stage 3 cams and I have my old core to send you as well. I sent you an email. :) |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by LANCER on 02/13/24 at 09:52:37 Got your email, will reply shortly. |
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Title: Re: Performance Camshafts Post by Riley_N on 02/13/24 at 10:06:25 Rad thank you! Final part I need for my build. |
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