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Title: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Denise on 05/28/12 at 16:47:57 I started on my replacement tank today and thought the proccess might be of interest. I gave up my spray equipment years ago and dont do enough to warrent buying it again so, I have my methods for achieving decent paint work with rattle cans, there are very few spray paints which can hold up to even the slightest exposure to gas, I found a couple clearcoats that will. I Started by repairing a ding in the tank and wet sanding the entire tank with 220, this is a new tank with solid paint so its not necessary to remove the old paint. I built a quick ficture to hold the tank, this is important especially later when pulling tape. http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/001-4.jpg I use high build primer to fill minor imperfections and sanding scratches, availible at Walmart http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/010.jpg Spray the entire tank and then wet sand with 400 untill no imperfections show when the tank is wet, I also taped off the filler neck right down to the tank surface, i will only tape the top edge for the clearcoat ,this is so when the clear goes on it will seal the edge of the underlying color coats. http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/005-2.jpg Now is the time to clean the tank with warm clear water, let dry completly , use a tack rag right before the base color and then paint the base, in this case black acrylic lacqure, ( my spelling is terrible :-[ )http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/009-3.jpg http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/008.jpg http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/006.jpg Notice my paint area is a dirt floor garage, some floaters will land in the paint but it will turn out in the end. After allowing this to dry for 2 hours I use " Fineline tape" to lay out the design. it is important to start t one side and work your way around to the other side, each peice of tape should start overlaping the previous peice, this way when you start to pull the tape from the original starting place it will lift the edge of the next peice making it easy to get ahold of. http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/011-1.jpg http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/014-1.jpg now that the outline is done time to mask it off, take your time , do the edges first then fill in the middle so again when you pull tape it is layed to come off as one peice. http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/015.jpg http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/016.jpg once its all taped off use the contrasting color and spray just enough to get it a consistant color, you dont want to build up paint here as a hard line will show later http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/018.jpg A word about spray cans here, NEVER hold the can over your work , a bad spray nozzle will drool paint all over your work http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/017.jpg So, now the fun part, emmediatly start pulling the fine line tape from your original starting point http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/020.jpg remover the making tape as you go from the area , you will notice the fineline I just pulled is under the next peice so I can easily get the next peice started without digging a fingernail into the base coat. http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/021.jpg http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/022.jpg Tape removed , time to let it dry , I had perfect 75 degree temps and low humidity today so I let it dry for 4 hours , over night would be better. http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/023.jpg http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/024.jpg Now the part that makes the work worth it , I wiped down the tank with a tack rag and sprayed the clear, its important to keep the coats just completely wet but light and build up each coat, think about how to go around the tank so as little overspray for one area lands on an area just done. I keep going to let any overspray kinda melt into the wet areas, remember you want the clear to cover the edge of the color coats at the filler neck, the clear is the only gas protection. http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/029.jpg http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/025.jpg http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/026.jpg http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/027.jpg Any imperfections I can rub out by hand after the tank cures for several weeks , most of the time it just isnt neccesary. the mild orange peel will lay down as it drys. I'll post a pic of it on the bike in a couple days , I am happy with the results and feel anyone can achieve respectable results. "D" |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by mjs3790225 on 05/28/12 at 16:59:56 Nice write up! Can't wait to see the follow up pix! |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Denise on 06/02/12 at 08:01:53 So here is the result , not too bad considering. http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/001-6.jpg http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/002-7.jpg The new and the old rusted out tank. http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Denisesewa/005-3.jpg Good thing I posted pics before going for a ride, just noticed I forgot to hook up the speedo cable :-[ |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Denise on 06/02/12 at 08:19:18 By the way, I didnt have to rub it out, just a couple coats of wax. |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by TheSavagePJ on 06/02/12 at 12:54:13 Wow... you would never know that was a rattle can job. Excellent work! I was told not to do this because spray paint and clear coat doesn't hold up to gas spillage. The engine enamel you used will hold up to it? |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by mjs3790225 on 06/02/12 at 14:35:53 I do have a question though; when doing a two tone paint job like this, is it safe to try to polish down any orange peel with a polishing compound before putting the clear on? Would it totally wreck the areas where the colors overlap? I've always wondered this, but never felt like risking any of the stuff I was working on to find out =/ lol |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Denise on 06/02/12 at 15:38:28 I tested this clear and also helmsman clear spar urathane for gas resistance with good results, gas doesnt seem to effect it although I dont plan on leaving gas on it for extended periods. orange peel would need to be wet sanded with 1200 however this grey I used is metallic and the edges would change to silver if wet sanded, applying very thin but wet coats limits the orange peel, there is virtually no orange peel showing after the clearcoat cured and for my purposes this job is good enough with no color sanding or buffing or rubbing out involved. Keep in mind this was inexpencive and quick to do, I dont expect it to last like a Paintshop job but my mountain bikes still look great after a couple years. |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Gyrobob on 11/13/12 at 06:19:22 I used Dupli-Color Engine Clear Gloss on the Double RYCA build and it dulls pretty badly with a gas spill. I've found no single-part paint that will stand up to gas, expecially gas with alcohol in it. I am thinking about using Spraytek 2k,... a two-part paint in a rattle can you activate just before using it. The shelf life is 48 hours after activation. You have to use REAL respirators with it, just like paint shop paint, or you will kill yourself. |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by arteacher on 11/28/12 at 19:38:12 Wouldn't marine epoxy work? |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Gyrobob on 11/29/12 at 07:37:32 7C77777E727D7C6667130 wrote:
I've tried marine epoxy and appliance epoxy and aircraft prop epoxy. Some are more "resistant," but none are gas proof. Every one of them gets dulled to one degree or another with gasoline spilled on them momentarily. One automotive paint guy told me it has to do with the need for paint in a gas-likely environment to be the kind you mix (base, hardener, reducer, etc.) in order for the final finish to be gas proof. It needs to cure, rather than dry. |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Gyrobob on 11/29/12 at 07:43:03 Denise, do you have any reason to think Plasti-Kote Clear Gloss engine enamel you used is any more gas resistant than Duplicolor Clear Gloss engine enamel? Do you think the engine enamel gets more gas resistant as it cures more fully over a few weeks? I've just been real disappointed with the clear gloss from any rattle can when it comes to gas resistance. |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Denise on 11/29/12 at 07:56:44 I cant remember if I tried duplicolor clear, As stated none of them are gas proof just gas resistant, I use turtle wax "ICE" building up a bunch of coats which also helps protect the finish, I was also told that rattle can paints tend to need 6 weeks to cure completly. This entire thread was to help people understand the basics to get a reasonable finish for cheap , if gas is going to sit on the surface for extended periods this methods isnt going to hold up over time, I dont have a problem because I'm carefull when fueling and when I do get a spill I clean it off immediatly. 724C475A575A57350 wrote:
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Gyrobob on 11/30/12 at 08:12:19 50717A7D677167716375140 wrote:
About three or four days after I had put the final coat of Duplicolor Clear Gloss Engine paint on the tank, I spilled several drops of gas on it while filling up the tank. (on RYCA bikes you fill the tank OFTEN) I blotted it with a paper towel immediately, but there were dull, raised spots, with some paper towel lint stuck to it. I let it stay that way for a week to let it get hard, then lightly sanded with 3000 wet, and rubbed it out. It looks okay, but I sure do want some sort of a long-term solution to the problem. So, per your comment, I should let the topcoat dry for several weeks to see if it is anymore resistant. I think I'll do some scrap pieces with color and clear coats, and experiment with them. I'll do up four samples. I'll let one dry for a week, one for a month, one for two months, and one for four months. At each of those time intervals, I'll put a little gas on them and see what happens. I'm real careful when fueling now, too. I got some naugahyde, cut out a 12x12 inch piece, and cut a hole in it that is slightly smaller than the gas fill opening. When I gas up, I slip that piece over the filler, and it stretches just a bit for a tight fit. The idea is to keep any drops from getting on the paint. So far it works well, but I am so paranoid about getting any gas on the paint, I have not had any "accidents" at all since the previous problem. Have you ever tried SprayMax 2k? http://www.spraymax.com/index.php?id=361&L=1 , |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Denise on 11/30/12 at 08:18:18 Have you ever tried spraytek 2k?[/size][/font] , [/quote] No, i am not familiar with it, I'll look into it at some point though. Building up the turtle wax "Ice" seems t work well for me. |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Gyrobob on 11/30/12 at 08:43:09 5F7E7572687E687E6C7A1B0 wrote:
No, i am not familiar with it, I'll look into it at some point though. Building up the turtle wax "Ice" seems t work well for me.[/quote] You responded before I had a chance to correct my mistake. Spraymax 2k, not spraytek. |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by gdrseeker on 02/14/13 at 19:02:32 Any updates on this? I am painting my tank and trying to decide what clear coat to use. |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by maxximus on 03/19/13 at 14:44:37 I'm having my tank, fender and frame sandblasted and primed! Do I still have to sand the parts or can I start painting? ? By the way very good job sir. Have yourself a savage day!! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Paraquat on 03/20/13 at 11:06:37 Depending on the media used you should be ready to paint. When I had access to my shop's sandblaster I used 80 grit aluminum oxide. It left a great finish for paint/powder coat to adhere to. Blast the part, bath in isopropyl, spray. Comes out great. Make sure you clean the inside of the tank really well. Even if you mask it off for the sandblast. Take the tape off and flush it out twice. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by maxximus on 03/20/13 at 17:56:54 Thank you for your reply!!! I have another question what do I use to flush the tank?? Sorry but its my first bike and buil and I don't know much about bikes and how to work on them. Again thanks and have yourself a savage day Jorge |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by nateordie on 03/22/13 at 09:01:21 i think i'm going to try this with my upcoming build |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by JPSBOBBER on 04/09/13 at 11:08:42 Great results !! Sweet bike also !! How did you do your rear fender ? And BTW, of what I know, a car paint job takes about a month to completely ''dry''. Top coat is dry to touch but undercoat might still have solvents wich makes paint less resistant. So yes, as gyrobob said, letting the tank sit in the garage for a while after painting might be a good idea IMO |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Gentlemanjim on 04/28/13 at 00:07:22 Spraymax 2k the only solution. http://www.repaintsupply.com/pd_2_part_2k_aerosol.cfm |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by shovelbum87 on 05/13/13 at 16:46:26 694843445E485E485A4C2D0 wrote:
How long did you wait to wax it?? I hope it was long enough to keep from solvent popping |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by shovelbum87 on 05/13/13 at 16:48:42 4A4D5414101E17151512270 wrote:
As long as there is enough clear coat you could wet sand it perfectly smooth and then buff it back out, In my opinion though I have found that if you do wet sand and buff it seems like the rich deep color is gone and it doesnt look wet as sprayed, just my opinion though |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by verslagen1 on 12/03/13 at 22:17:33 Quote:
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Gyrobob on 03/04/19 at 09:04:59 Will Spraymax 2K work to clear coat a Duplicolor paint job? also, Let's say I have four motorcycle tanks to clear coat. Will one can of Spraymax 2k be enough? |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Denise on 03/04/19 at 09:57:59 1D2328353835385A0 wrote:
Yes it will work over duplicolor base coats, one can might do 2 tanks depending on size and depth. Last job was a ghost flame job on a Sportster tank and bobber rear fender with one can. |
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Title: Re: Rattle can 101, how to get decent results Post by Denise on 03/04/19 at 09:59:36 And another pic |
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