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Title: valve timing inspection cover Post by Arizuno on 01/26/12 at 14:14:46 In view of my inability to dislodge the inspection cover, I'd say my bike is more overdue for a valve adjustment than I realized. I can't budge that sucker. Suggestions? |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Serowbot on 01/26/12 at 14:22:39 The tool of choice, is an old front brake pad... besides that,... a really fat washer held with vise-grips... The cover has an o-ring seal,... works really good, huh?... ;D... |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Savage_Rob on 01/26/12 at 15:09:21 This is the actual tool. Click on the image and you go to MotionPro's website. http://motionpro.com/images/enlarged/08-0087.jpg (http://motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0087/) |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by spacepirates on 01/26/12 at 15:14:29 I used a classic style bottle opener (it was on hand for some unknown reason ;) ) with a screwdriver stuck through the opening for torque. this kind of opener: http://inkcorrect.com/images/products/detail/BarBottleOpenerSS1.jpg |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by spacepirates on 01/26/12 at 15:19:28 found this post: BurnPgh wrote on 07/22/11 at 4:56pm: church key bottle opener and a screwdriver. Old brake pad and a pair of vise grips. Claw hammer - if its short enough you can get the claws in the groove and turn the hammer like a breaker bar. I highly suggest investing in the timing insection cover off a suzuki vs800. 'bout $10. It takes a 10mm allen key instead of a "special tool"/whatchacanjerryrig. I kept the original cover until rather recently and just effed it up more and more every time i rigged a way to get it off. got tired of it. No hassle now. so... there ya go. and while you have it off you can replace it with the cover off a suzuki vs800. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Arizuno on 01/26/12 at 16:35:44 Man I like this forum! You'd think that with the linguistic skills acquired (OK, polished) in the Navy, I'd have gotten that thing off, but no such luck. Even destroyed one of those circular, coin-type spark plug gapping tools. Next, washer, I guess. But given these travails, and the current condition of the component in question, I'm definately gonna look into Spacepirates' suggestion. Thanks, everybody! |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/12 at 17:15:41 If it just freels too tight, a board to protect it & a coupla quick raps with a hammer mire just do the trick. REmember, its much easier to pop it a coupla times lightly & try it & do it again if need be, than knock the crap out of it & crack it & pay for a fresh one. Patience,, |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by AlphaBarney on 01/28/12 at 05:49:09 The solution I found to work really well is the flat side of a five in one painters tool like this one. Allows me to get in that wedge and wrench it free. http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z374/Alphabarney/61rzuPquxsL_AA1500_.jpg |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by MotoBuddha on 01/28/12 at 06:46:11 Or a piece of flat bar with a bit if a curve ground in the end. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk182/motobuddha/b6c9dcec.jpg Push it firmly into the slot with one hand while using the other hand to turn i with pliers. Once you get the cover out, replace it with one of these from a VL800: http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk182/motobuddha/dded9c56.jpg |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by 2whlthrpy on 01/29/12 at 04:38:43 What worked for me was a round spark plug gapper from autozone, no need to fab anything. Fits perfect then attach vice grips. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Digger on 07/09/12 at 20:05:14 For future reference: Here's what I've used in the past (was in a pinch): http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/LS650/ValveTimingInspectionPlugTool-Washe.jpg It is a 2 1/2" OD flat washer. I ground one edge thin enough to fit into the plug. I clamped it into the jaws of a Vice-Grip to use it. It worked great! I've got one of them Motion Pro tools now (see above). |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by clearush on 07/09/12 at 20:30:00 Gsket scraper from Harbor Freight, $3 and a square shaft so you can use a wrench for leverage. No modifications needed. And you have a gasket scraping tool when you need it. http://www.harborfreight.com/carbon-gasket-scraper-98507.html |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by running-it-stock on 08/20/12 at 19:42:51 I tried both the harbor freight gasket scrapper and a Bike Master Timing Cover Plug Wrench 04-073 http://www.powersportsuperstore.com/BikeMaster-Timing-Cover-Plug-Wrench-04-073-p/4716705.htm and still haven't had any luck breaking it loose. Its not stripped yet. I also tried Verslagens method of sawing old brake pad, fit perfectly but ended up bending the steel while not budging. Anyone tried this http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1932? :-/ |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by clearush on 08/20/12 at 20:29:51 have you vice gripped the gasket scraper and used a hammer to try and tap it free?? I had to use a wrench and hammer to break mine free the first time. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by verslagen1 on 08/20/12 at 20:34:19 DON'T use a screwdriver and a hammer. Unless you want to buy a new one and fish out a chip of aluminum. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Boofer on 08/20/12 at 20:47:04 Mine wouldn't come loose with any scredriver, hand tool or brake pads. I have a 3/4" cold chisel I tapped lightly but solidly straight on to "break" it loose. Then used channel locks to turn it with same chisel. No problem. BUT I have used chisels and hammers extensively and understand the strengths of the metal I work on. (Usually) Verslagen's caution is not misplaced and should be adhered to. Just the way I did it. The key to doing almost anything is not to get frustrated and let your inner gorilla take over. BTW I put it back with anti-seize as I do on a lot of similar projects. :) |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/20/12 at 20:47:24 You need a friend, someone to hold the tool in place Firmly, while you use a hammer to put some power to the tool. Macho isnt the answer, its the shock, keep pressure on the tool, dont let it bounce in the slot Clockwise after you spank it CCW,,A smallish hammer with quick raps, & dont forget the board across the plug & a few quick raps around where the threads are. Once its out, use antisieze & dont get it as tite as the ape who was in there did. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by verslagen1 on 08/20/12 at 20:58:01 the plug is aluminum and the cover is aluminum, not a good combination. when you put it back, use a new o-ring and don't tighten it the shoulder meets cover. A few sharp raps on the face of the plug may loosen it. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Boofer on 08/20/12 at 21:01:26 Agreed. :) |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by jase_mcgee on 07/08/13 at 14:13:05 I'm having the same issue. I just bent washers and a bar opener and it still won't break free. I used a pipe wrench for added leverage, and just watched the washers slowly warp. Liquid Wrench hasn't helped. How stuck can these things get? I've given up after trying all the rigged ways and broke down and ordered the tool so hoping that works. Any other suggestions? |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Dave on 07/08/13 at 14:16:43 Ride the bike around and get the engine hot.....then try to remove it before the engine cools down. When you put it back in....just snug it up as the thing does not need be tight to seal.....the O-ring does the sealing. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by verslagen1 on 07/08/13 at 14:26:11 An old brake pad fits in the slot tightly. grind the end flat, use a large cresant wrench to turn it and push it up against the plug to prevent twisting the plate. also the tank/seat bracket works, but not as stiff and no mod required. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/08/13 at 14:57:25 yes, ride it,, get it good & warmed up, pull up to tools laid out & ready, have a friend meet you with an ice cube, cool that plug down. then, use some pressure CCW & a light hammer. while youre twisting, pop the tool quick & lite, its aluminum, youre just trying to shake it a little,, you can pop straight in & slightly flex the plug & you can tap the tool in a CCW direction,, by light, quick, i mean just fingers on the handle, not a full grip, loose in the hand, if you dont have smaller than a 1 pound hammer, maybe an extension or punch, i use a body hammer for this kinda stuff, maybe 6 oz? |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Steve H on 07/08/13 at 15:03:59 I swear mine was reverse threaded when I took it out a while back. You know, as we get older our memory is not as good but I think it was. I hate to jump in all Moderator type...but this is a bad rumor to get started. This is not a reverse thread......turn it counterclockwise to remove it! Dave Absolutely... regular thread, righty tighty/lefty loosy -v1 Edit - Thanks, Dave. I stand corrected. I don't know what had me thinking that. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/08/13 at 15:07:19 i cant remember if i ever had a good memory,, |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by WD on 07/08/13 at 15:39:10 You can't see through that little bitty hole anyway, just pull the whole cover. Of course, you have to loosen the peg/engine/sidestand bolts to do so, and drop the right side foot peg/brake lever... Seriously, if the bike has enough miles to have heat seized the inspection plug, you need to check the timing chain anyway. 2 fer 1, then you can ignore it for another however long... unless you know how to check the valve lash w/o using the mark, or notch, or however it is designated on our engines. It isn't tricky, anybody who's ever driven a 22R equipped Toyota (rwd and trucks) already knows how... And do not be surprised if the Motion Pro "tool" bends, it's really a poor grade of steel. Buy the part from Honda, THEIR tool line, NOT an Emgo, Motion Pro or other cheap knock-off. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Badass94Cad on 07/08/13 at 15:43:31 Glad I happened upon these tips! I have to check/adjust my valves for the first time since I've owned the bike, if not ever. ::) |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by wheelsoffreedom76 on 07/18/13 at 20:03:17 Mine was stuck good too the first time. Another way to do the temp diff is to warm up the bike, get a can of compressed air for computers and turn it upside down and spray the inspection plug till it's good and frosty. I have used compressed air as a mechanic many times for stuck parts. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by damiancds on 08/12/14 at 19:25:13 Not to bring up an old thread but, Does anyone have a part # for the vl800 timing cover? I looked, and the diagrams for a '96 and a '03 show a slotted. then i found one in a '08 diagram with part number 09259-36008. I just want to confirm that it will fit (threads and o-ring) |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by verslagen1 on 08/12/14 at 20:21:27 784F58585B0B0A02093A0 wrote:
77666571637E040 wrote:
From that post, the p/n you're looking for is 09259-36008 |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Serowbot on 08/12/14 at 23:31:37 It's like time travel,.. only it's really slow... :-?... |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by HighME32 on 10/14/14 at 22:26:49 I just ran into this problem myself after overtightening this plug on my last valve adjustment. I tried the gasket scraper tool from harbor freight with wrench and a perfect fitting washer on a vice grip to no avail. I even attached a 2 foot and 3 foot pole to each one of these contraptions and all I ended doing is badly stripping this plug. Finally I got some sense and did a lot of research. I ended up heating the plug with a blow dryer on high for 2 minutes, blasting it with computer cleaner upside d..own and tapping it with a punch and hammer. It ca out it no time. I replaced it with the plug from a vl800 which fit like a glove. :) |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by FlyingH on 09/18/20 at 17:57:31 Need a replacement, does anyone has one or were to buy a better solution. Please reply (can't ride my bike with a broken one. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Dave on 09/19/20 at 04:29:01 7D6775110 wrote:
You can look in the Technical Section and find all kind of useful things: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1181745927 Here is the thread about the timing cover: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1416070003 Serowbot lists the part numbers for the chrome and painted versions. In the second post I showed what the painted version looks like before I stripped the paint and buffed the aluminum. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by FlyingH on 09/19/20 at 06:15:04 Thanks for the reply Dave, Good info, is sometimes hard to find (there is so much info in this side). I am also interested to buy a better front brake system that can be installed without major modification, my front pads are worn out in only 5K. |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by Dave on 09/19/20 at 08:08:30 6D7765010 wrote:
There is only one bolt on big brake kit that I know of. I bumped it back up to the top of the Marketplace section. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=market |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by FlyingH on 09/19/20 at 09:30:34 Thanks again, I e-mailed him for the latest info. FlyingH |
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Title: Re: valve timing inspection cover Post by eau de sauvage on 09/21/20 at 02:46:35 From memory I think the Boulevard M80 uses the same size timing cover with a hex hole instead of a slot. |
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