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Title: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by Jimbo215 on 09/20/11 at 21:34:56 Hi, first time poster here. I recently purchased a 97 Savage with just over 10000 miles on it. After riding it some I found out I can't shift into fifth gear. After scouring these forums I have found this is an issue common with Savages but I feel mine is different. For starters, I have tried clutch-less shifting and all the recommendations for shifting into 5th found on this site and the rest of the web. The problem is, it doesn't feel like there is a 5th gear at all when I try to change from 4th. I mean the gear shifter is like a wall. Lifting up on the gear shifter while in 4th gear is no different that trying to push down on the gear shifter while in 1st gear. I've tried with all my might to slide into 5th but to no avail. I recently changed the oil as well with 15w40 and noticed no change. I know that Savages didn't have 5 gears until 95, mine is a 97. I even double checked the VIN on the title the seller gave me (who also insisted it went into 5th fine before I bought it from him) and everything checks out. Other than this, the bike seems to run great but I am nervous about taking it on the highway and going above 55 in 4th. It's kind of a deal breaker, seeing as I need the highway to do most of my commuting to work. Sorry for the wall of text. Does anyone have any advice on this matter? Thanks for any help and I look forward to being a part of this awesome forum! :) |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by verslagen1 on 09/20/11 at 21:49:28 5th seems like a half shift you'll hardly notice the difference. but check the side of the pulley cover. it says how many gears you got. other than that, where you at? you need an experienced savage rider or a tach. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by Serowbot on 09/20/11 at 22:57:18 You do know that it's 1 down and 4 up right?... I suspect that you are finding 5th gear,... but are missing 1st... That would be the 1 down,... from neutral... Losing 5th gear in a 95' or newer bike,... is not common at all... In fact.... I've never heard of it... :-?... PS... only about 100rpm difference between 4th and 5th... |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by scubachef on 09/21/11 at 08:29:27 I felt that I was having the same issue with my 96 just after getting it. I was used to riding a Trimuph Thruxton and the shifting was blissfully smooth and the throw was short. After some investigation I found that I had been shifting into fifth the whole time but skipping a gear in the process. It sounds like you are seeing the same. Here were my findings. First to 2nd was a longer throw for me and the shift from 4th to 5th is really short and effortless. It took me some getting used to but as I shift up the amount of effort needed to hit the next highest gear is less and less. Just my personal findings on my personal bike....hope this helps. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/21/11 at 10:02:07 count down as you shift down, prove it to yourself,, |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by MrBrownTX on 09/21/11 at 10:45:08 445740415E5355575C03320 wrote:
I have noticed that there is almost no difference between 4th and 5th. When I shift to 5th I don't notice any drop in RPM like I do on other bikes. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by Jimbo215 on 09/21/11 at 19:06:20 5C4F5859464B4D4F441B2A0 wrote:
I checked the side and it clearly says 5. I'm a new rider but I know enough to know that 1-N-2-3-4-5. I also count down all the time and only get three clicks. I just feel like its revving to high in 4th going faster than 60, but again I'm a new rider so I'm not sure how the engine should sound at higher RPMs I'm just judging off what I think sounds like a lot. Again it's not that I dont notice any difference in fifth, it's that it physically wont go into 5th. 3 clicks up from 1st gear puts it in 4th (unless somehow I'm skipping a gear) and then a wall, nothing after that. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by MrBrownTX on 09/21/11 at 19:14:49 yeah yeah, I think people saying that there isn't much difference are saying that to let you know you aren't missing out on much. If it costs too much to fix I wouldn't say its worth it unless what ever is causing this problem could spread. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by Jimbo215 on 09/21/11 at 20:00:30 293626362B332A303C440 wrote:
Fair enough. I guess I just feel like it's revving way to much in 4th gear past like 55. Is this also a possibility? |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by verslagen1 on 09/21/11 at 20:24:48 795A5E515C010206330 wrote:
I've been up to 65? 75? don't remember which in 4th when I was kindly reminded to shift by a shift light I had set up at 5500 rpm. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by Jimbo215 on 09/21/11 at 20:36:08 647760617E7375777C23120 wrote:
I've been up to 65? 75? don't remember which in 4th when I was kindly reminded to shift by a shift light I had set up at 5500 rpm.[/quote] I don't have a tachometer, but I'm looking into one. However, is it a possibility that my engine isn't quite working properly (not very mechanically inclined yet) and is revving to high without enough output? |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by Serowbot on 09/21/11 at 22:34:15 ... don't tell anybody but,... I've hit 90mph in 4th gear... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by drums1 on 09/22/11 at 08:33:01 I've had my '87 up to 85mph in 4th. Of course my '87 only has 4. I, too, think it sounds like it's revving way too high, and could use a 5th gear. Anything over 55, the vibration is almost unbearable for more than 10-15 minutes. Pisses me off when these Harleys go whizzing by me, sounding like they're idling. Being a used bike, is there a chance, or is it even possible, that someone maybe changed out the tranny in there for an older one with only 4 gears?? |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by dinsdale on 09/22/11 at 08:41:45 Try shifting with engine off by rolling back and forth. Count your gears. 5th for me comes easy when really pushing hard (Accelerating) and is harder when accelerating slower , have to pull in clutch and lift up and keep lifting for a second or two until it gets in. That being said, their is little to no noticeable difference in 5th and on occasion I tell that I am already there when I go to shift and the shifter doesn't move. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/11 at 09:52:28 Does the shifter go up or does it stop? IOW, is the shifter travel normal? |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by Arnold on 09/22/11 at 10:58:17 I have a 96 with 5 gears and I notice that shifting from 4th to 5th is like to click, what gives with 2 clicks? It's annoying, is it by design? Does that happen to anyone else? |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by Jimbo215 on 09/23/11 at 09:15:34 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
The shifter stops when trying to shift up from 4th gear. I have counted my gears while travelling and while stopped and rolling back and forth and only getting 4 gears. Going to try to examine the transmission to see if it was replaced. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by built2last66 on 09/24/11 at 05:01:47 High revs at 55mph is 4th gear, I'm new too and can tell you that. You NEED your 5th gear on the highway. Try shifting through all the gears while you're not sitting on the bike, and count them. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/24/11 at 05:16:14 5D7E7A7578252622170 wrote:
The shifter stops when trying to shift up from 4th gear. I have counted my gears while travelling and while stopped and rolling back and forth and only getting 4 gears. Going to try to examine the transmission to see if it was replaced.[/quote] I dont remember how its supposed to act ,, I d |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by bill67 on 09/24/11 at 05:50:16 Are you counting 1st gear. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/24/11 at 06:28:02 Drop into 1st, then 4 lifts on the shifter I think hes sayin after he lifts 3 times the shifter wont lift again,, IF I recall correctly, that shifter is Supposed to Lift just like thers another gear up there, even after its in 5th.. Seems I remember shifting into 6th a few times,, always disappointing,, never got it to click into that gear.. Is the shifter supposed to Lift the same even after its in high gear? |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by Routy on 09/24/11 at 07:08:43 415E585F42457444744C5E52192B0 wrote:
No! Seems you would know that if you're constantly going for 6th. |
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Title: Re: Can't shift into 5th gear! (1997 ls650) Post by drums1 on 09/24/11 at 07:16:02 3A2C2B332D6F5E0 wrote:
:o |
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