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Title: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by weracerc on 04/14/11 at 06:56:27 Ok my fine friends in MC-land - lets assume for just a minute that I am ready to move up a tad on the MC totem pole.......One I am not looking to throw a lot of $$ at the next step up - I paid $1200 for my Savage 1 year ago with 6900 miles on it - now has 9500 and oil leak fixed new tires, brakes, petcock, 6" forward controls, winshield. Now if I were to move up a tad what would my next bike be? I have some interest in the Suzuki Intruder water cooled 800, Kawasaki Vulcan, Honda VTX.....but I want to take a small step in power not a monumental one. I like the weight of the Savage, the power, the sound, the mileage......just looking for advise on the logical next step up.....your opinions do matter to me. thanks |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by mick on 04/14/11 at 08:13:18 A 600cc kawasaki NINJA. About the same size motor with twice the speed,and don't let the looks fool you,they are very comfortable, And they just love twisties,good on gas too. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/14/11 at 08:23:42 Or, you mite have a look at the Kawa w-650,, hard to find, but good bikes. Not a screamer, but faster than the S-40, no cam chain, bevel drive cam. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by babyhog on 04/14/11 at 08:31:10 Sorry, I don't see you on a Ninja! Mick loves his Ninja's. lol If I had the money, I'd buy a Triumph America. Pure beauty and not much heavier than the Savage, but a little bigger and 865cc. But the choices you mentioned are all great too. Have friends with all those bikes. Hubby had a Vulcan 750 before getting his C90. I never rode it because I wasn't comfortable at the time, but I'm sure I could ride it now. Not the C90, no way in hades! Check the C50's also, and the M50's. They are super hot! Here's an America: http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2009models/2009-Triumph-Americab-small.jpg |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by bill67 on 04/14/11 at 08:33:59 Honda Shadow RS normal riding position,507 pounds wet weight,chain drive so can easily be geared higher.Triumph American wet weight 550 |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by splash07 on 04/14/11 at 08:37:04 My suggestion is to keep the savage and get a carb and cam from Lancer, bigger piston and port/polish. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by Serowbot on 04/14/11 at 09:53:39 I know it's a sacrilege to say it,... but the closest thing would be a 883 Sportster... Slightly more power, still air-cooled, and single carb... but, much heavier. Although,... newer models are fuel injected, and have fuel pumps to complicate things... |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by piglt on 04/14/11 at 10:21:02 I love my S50 ;D |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by LostArtist on 04/14/11 at 10:55:06 5D464F5C4140444A2E0 wrote:
+1 the S-50/intruder vs800 is really the next step from a Savage, it's 805cc 480lbs exact same seating position and the extra power is minimal because of the extra weight. so if you just want a little more umph, that's your bike, the sporty 883 isn't bad either, just 550lbs, so you are going up like 200lbs instead of just 125 or so for the s50, now if you want a 550 lbs machine that feels like a savage with extra extra umph, try the S-83/intruder vs1400, the bonus with the 1400/S83 is that you won't need to move up again ever really, unless you want a touring comfort bagger bike. if you wanna stay with a cruiser style otherwise you have lots of options, try some fz8 or triumph bonnivelle or other styles of bikes out, sit on them and see how you feel about them |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by mick on 04/14/11 at 10:56:15 5D5E5F52504A330 wrote:
Have you sat on that Triumph America ? The last time I sat on one it seemed huge. I mean the gas tank looked like a yard accross. I just don't see our very petite piglet on one. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by babyhog on 04/14/11 at 11:07:10 4F4B4149564A474E4B4F475B220 wrote:
Have you sat on that Triumph America ? The last time I sat on one it seemed huge. I mean the gas tank looked like a yard accross. I just don't see our very petite piglet on one.[/quote] Mick, actually NO, I haven't ever sat on one. Only seen one in person. Don't have a Triumph dealer near me. I just fell in love with the looks of the bike, and the specs are nice too. And the Triumph name speaks for itself. But you could be right, probably would be too big for me. That's why my S40 will probably be the only bike I ever own. (and believe it or not, I've been considering selling it... sssshhhh) But weracerc has an inch or two, and a pound or two on me.... |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by Arnold on 04/14/11 at 11:43:28 Oh my, look at that Bonneville: http://www.bellacorse.com/images/america_r.jpg |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by LostArtist on 04/14/11 at 11:52:21 4546474A48522B0 wrote:
Have you sat on that Triumph America ? The last time I sat on one it seemed huge. I mean the gas tank looked like a yard accross. I just don't see our very petite piglet on one.[/quote] Mick, actually NO, I haven't ever sat on one. Only seen one in person. Don't have a Triumph dealer near me. I just fell in love with the looks of the bike, and the specs are nice too. And the Triumph name speaks for itself. But you could be right, probably would be too big for me. That's why my S40 will probably be the only bike I ever own. (and believe it or not, I've been considering selling it... sssshhhh) But weracerc has an inch or two, and a pound or two on me.... [/quote] the America/Speedmaster's aren't that big, the Thunderbird is wide though, looks great from the side, hard to straddle for me though. the bonneville is just one sexy bike. get the Ryca kit and make your S-40 new again piglet! |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by weracerc on 04/14/11 at 13:36:53 thanks to all who have replied so far - i figured Mick would try to fold up my incr4edibly creaky old busted up knees to get on a Ninja - I am a Ninja just can ride on one!.......The Triumph is appealing - have a neighbor who rides one by my house every few days - sounds good looks good - the foot controls a re tad to close to the factory S40 locations from what i can tell and BabyHog is quite the diplomat a few inches and pounds....like 1ft & 300 so leg room and a$$ room/comfort are important factors.....all the bikes mentions are going on my scope list....except the Ninja! http://kevinmayle.netaidz.com/d/1566-2/FatNinja.jpg |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by BurnPgh on 04/14/11 at 14:15:01 I vote rebuild. It'll cost you way less than a new bike, you get to keep all the investment you've already made into it, and without getting too complicated and in depth with it you can still get a very substanstial boost in performance without any extra weight or having to adjust to a new bike's quirks and personality. Besides all that, what you learn by taking it apart and putting it back together will mean you will never be intimidated to make repairs. K/N cone filter ($50) 38VM carb from lancer ($150 IIRC) stage 1 cam from lancer ($200 less core charge) screaming eagle dyna muffler on stock header ($25) 95mm wiseco piston ($175) Bore job ($50) Barnett clutch ($150) Grand Total - $800 and some time, and Im pushing 0-60 in 4-5 seconds. My buddy Ineclipse also has a '95 (stock) and every time we get done with a ride he asks if he can take mine around the block. He's usually gone for about 20 minutes before he comes back and praises every attribute in comparison with his stock machine. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by houstonbofh on 04/14/11 at 14:41:53 The Suzuki Marauder is very similar, just a tad bigger. A lot of the same parts even. The Intruder is also similar, if you like the staggered seats and shaft. Both have better power to weight than the HDs. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by kimchris1 on 04/14/11 at 18:45:24 weracerc, what ever you decide, I wish you all the best. Might I suggest you go to different dealerships and sat on the bike. Then even ask by chance can you take one for a test ride? Some places may not allow that and some may. The Triumph America is a very nice bike. I sat on one few months back. It did not intimidate me. The suzuki c-50 is a very nice bike as well. Which ever you do, please hang around here. Good luck and keep us informed.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by Skid Mark on 04/14/11 at 19:17:45 I moved up to c50 and love it. Much better on the long haul. I would look at the s50 if you want to keep the weight down and stay simiar to the s40 size. I have sat on the s50 in the show room and it's awfully close to the s40. I would imagine it would be quite quick. Then again the overhaul idea would be a lot cheaper. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by Ed L. on 04/14/11 at 19:57:22 I got a ride on a C-50 during bike week last year at the factory tent and was impressed. Smooth ride and very comfortable, The only drawback was the handlebar weight kept falling out during the test ride. No big deal, I would of yanked them out if I bought the bike. My savage felt strangely barbaric when I got back on it at the end of the day. Apples and Oranges, the single is not a V-Twin |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by John_D FSO on 04/14/11 at 20:32:04 I really like the C50 too. My only observation, is that if you're going to spend a lot of time on freeways that are 70mph and above, the gearing is a little low. The engine can handle the rpm's, but your mpg suffers (wow, look at all those acronyms! :D). Since it's a shaft drive, the options are very slim. There is a method of swapping out the rear drive unit with one from the bigger Suzukis, and that's about it. Since I'm not much of a speed demon, I'm leaving mine as-is for now. From what I've read about the Vulcan, someone actually makes different pulleys for the belt drive, to adjust the ratios. Probably much easier to change. I've ridden a 900 when my brother had it, and it was a nice ride. Both of these are around 200 lbs heavier than the Savage, but you'd be surprised how quick you get used to the feel. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by weracerc on 04/15/11 at 06:37:10 actually besides the leg room requirement - the weight of the bike is my second most important factor - I donot worry about dropping the Savage at a light - even though I have balance issues in general - I wobble at the light occassionally especially if i am tired.....so I dont ever see me on something as big as Road King or anything in that family (size wise) bike.....200 more lbs is about all i am willing to go up in weight - of the bike HA!.....I am trying to go down as far as personal weight goes - lost 25lbs in the past month (sick) but hey lost weight is lost weight..... thanks for all the info so far keep it coming. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by babyhog on 04/15/11 at 07:37:28 Different bikes are balanced alot differently. Always heard people say the Sportsters are top-heavy. So if the weight is a big factor for you, then you need to find one that is balanced as you need, not just raw weight. When I've sat on S50's and Marauders, I think they feel more top-heavy. The C50, M50, V-Stars, Vulcans, VTX's seem much more bottom weighted. I think you are gonna have to test a few that appeal to you, and are weighted to your liking. Don't rule out bigger cc's and overall weight, because they could be balanced more to suit you. Just a thought... Congrats on losing some weight, even though you've been sick. Hope you get to feeling better. The Diplomat, my new name. hahaha |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by LostArtist on 04/15/11 at 09:24:54 2320212C2E344D0 wrote:
+1! |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by weracerc on 04/15/11 at 10:32:25 very good point i hadnt actually thought of it in those terms but makes way too mkuch sense not to consider...bottom weighted vs top heavy.....yes I definitely need to get some seat time on several as I ponder this issue. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by LostArtist on 04/15/11 at 10:45:58 also if you are worried about picking it up, how it lays on the grown is important too. my buell lays flat on it's side when it's down, it's only a 400lb bike, but with it on it's side like that, it's a real problem for me to pick up by myself. my S-50 has engine guards and forward cruising pegs and saddle bags on it so when it falls on it's side it doesn't quite get flat with the ground, giving easier access to leverage needed to pick it up, even though it's 480lb, it's much much easier to pick up and much less distance to get it upright again too. |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by babyhog on 04/15/11 at 12:14:40 Don't lay it over! ;D |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by LostArtist on 04/15/11 at 14:57:17 3231303D3F255C0 wrote:
that's the first thing I do with a bike when I buy it! gonna find out sometime anyway :P |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by Ed L. on 04/15/11 at 16:01:15 LA, I was wondering how you knew what all your bikes are like laying on thier sides. Thanks for the clarification |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by LostArtist on 04/15/11 at 16:30:36 yeah, I dropped the s-50 while it was parked somehow, think I trying to back it out of my space out of the dip it was in, my foot slipped and over I went. and the buell I dropped trying to turn it around to back it into my space, cut the handle bars too sharp going too slow, that kinda hurt, just cause you sit higher and I was tippy toes on it so no real ability to stop it once it started. Edit: but both those things happened like within 2 months of having each bike next bike I get I'm just going to kick it over at the dealership |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by kimchris1 on 04/15/11 at 18:04:45 There is a technique to picking a bike up.. I have seen the video. Looks fairly easy. Also a gal I met on the ferry few years past, said she never bought a bike without having the dealership lay it on it's side first. She then proceeded to pick it up herself. She amazed a few salesmen.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by ALfromN.H. on 04/15/11 at 18:11:29 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4MPyX0QCYw[/media] |
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Title: Re: Lets assume I'm ready to toy up Post by RidgeRunner13 on 04/15/11 at 20:00:46 My friend Ken bought a C50 in July of 2009, after owning a 750 BMW for years. November 2009 I bought a V-Star 950T. In October 2010, he traded for a V-Star 950T. The C50 was "seviced" at the dealer for its' 600 mile check-up. Around $400 & I'm pretty sure they did not adjust the valves. I can say that because it didn't sound any different until I adjusted the valves at 6000 miles, a ROYAL PITA. I only did it because the local dealer lied to Ken & told him they needed to order shims to do the job. You also have to check the cooling system & change the final drive fluid. The 950 is aircooled & has a belt. Soon after that, he had the rear tire replaced. The dealer didn't bother to tell him the rim had a huge dent from hitting a curb. I found that & straightened it a month later when he picked up a screw & used his roadside asssistance to have it brought to my place. BTW, the dealer charged $45.95+ tax for a Kenda tube. The 950 has mags. (tubeless) He traded at 15 months and just over 12,000 miles, time for another valve adjustment & not too long before another tire. The 950 gets a valve adjustment at 16,000 miles. The 950 consistently gets better fuel mileage than the C50. We rode many miles together, filling at the same time, same stations. The final straw was the Three Sisters, near Bandera. On a 117 mile stretch, I got over 59 mpg, C50 = 44 mpg. When we started for home the next day, we stopped at Destination Cycles in Kerrville for his brother to get a helmet. Before we left, he traded. But not for the price the salesman wanted. Nothing like having someone with you who knows more about the bike than the salesman!The final deal was made with the owner of the business. The V-Star 950 is more like the Savage than any of the Suzuki cruisers. http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n94/Pappygt13/BigTreeRide3-3-2010004.jpg |
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