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Message started by mpnoffi on 03/14/11 at 22:52:23

Title: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/14/11 at 22:52:23

Hi all. I have been lurking for a while now and thought that I would add a bit instead of just taking. I've learned a ton about these great bikes over the last 6 months or so from reading the info you guys have added here over the years...so...thanks for that. I have to say, that I belong to several forums, but none have a better crew of guys (and gals).

I bought my 2001 LS650 early last summer with the intentions of buying a Ryca Kit and converting the bike to a cafe style. I've ridden it quite a bit. Even took it on a 750 mile round trip to a vintage bike show in Birmingham. She did just fine. The Ryca kit is a really great idea from a guy ,Casey, that appears to be good folks (he has even helped me with some information on my build)...but I suffer from impatient guy syndrome in a large way. So...I started the tear about a week ago with the thought of converting my Savage into a Scrambler style of bike. I'm planning on using the bike as a daily road rider, gravel road explorer and might even hit the occasional single trail. Here is the plan and pics will follow:

12.5 inch rear shocks
drop the front about 2 inches (to get rid of some rake. still has plenty clearance)
aluminum skid plate
18" rear hoop laced to stock hub
16/52 sprockets with 530 chain conversion to keep stock ratio and add some adjustability
stock front wheel
Continentel TKC 80 dual sport tires front and rear
4.5 gal gas tank from 79 Yamaha XS750
Renthal dirt bike bars
Extend and flaten seat posts to fit a triumph scrambler seat???(still working on this one)

I have a few pics that I will try to attach first, then I'll post a few pics of my inspiration. Feel free to offer your feedback or suggestions...good, bad or ugly. I can take it!
Noffi

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/14/11 at 23:11:12

Before...

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_3190.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/037.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/038.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5600.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5602.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5601.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5603.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5604.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/14/11 at 23:13:53

Some inspiration...
http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/jackpine_012.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/14/11 at 23:15:58

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/triumph-t100-1.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/Triumphside.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/TpR_Urban_Scrambler.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/Street_Tracker4.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/Street_Tracker0.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG00040-20100923-1627.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Serowbot on 03/14/11 at 23:18:42

Have you seen this one?...
BORILE B651 SCRAMBLER 2005 - 2007
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/moto_gallery/medium/BORILEB651SCRAMBLER-medium-661_1.jpg

.. and here's mine. I went so far as 12.5" shocks, and fork boots,... but, a left side, upswept pipe would make my day...
I'll be watching your build... ;)...

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/vg006.jpg?t=1300170059

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/14/11 at 23:23:19

Yeah! even google didn't have much to say about it though. I found the manufacturer, but they don't make them anymore. Too bad...

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Serowbot on 03/14/11 at 23:34:58

PS,.. Man!,.. you look young in those pictures!... ;D...

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/15/11 at 00:07:27

Alright!!! An LS650 Scrambler ... GO FOR IT!!!! Am lovin' those knobbies! Can't wait to see this one finished! 8-)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by WebsterMark on 03/15/11 at 05:15:24

I'm an old motocrosser so i thought about doing a scrambler or supermoto type mod also. I put on longer shocks and boots but hadn't thought about your idea to lessen the rake. The seat / rear fender combo seems to be they key to finishing it off. I'm thinking about getting a new bike but maybe a mod like this will keep her around a while longer.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/15/11 at 07:26:51

7264736E76636E75010 wrote:

PS,.. Man!,.. you look young in those pictures!... ;D...

No kiddin, looks like he found he Fountain of Youth & fell in,, Gonna be a few years before he can even ride

Boys don get in too much trouble if theyre in the garage with Dad.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by BurnPgh on 03/15/11 at 12:41:58

4A57494841414E270 wrote:

Hi all. I have been lurking for a while now and thought that I would add a bit instead of just taking. I've learned a ton about these great bikes over the last 6 months or so from reading the info you guys have added here over the years...so...thanks for that. I have to say, that I belong to several forums, but none have a better crew of guys (and gals).

I bought my 2001 LS650 early last summer with the intentions of buying a Ryca Kit and converting the bike to a cafe style. I've ridden it quite a bit. Even took it on a 750 mile round trip to a vintage bike show in Birmingham. She did just fine. The Ryca kit is a really great idea from a guy ,Casey, that appears to be good folks (he has even helped me with some information on my build)...but I suffer from impatient guy syndrome in a large way. So...I started the tear about a week ago with the thought of converting my Savage into a Scrambler style of bike. I'm planning on using the bike as a daily road rider, gravel road explorer and might even hit the occasional single trail. Here is the plan and pics will follow:

12.5 inch rear shocks
drop the front about 2 inches (to get rid of some rake. still has plenty clearance)
aluminum skid plate
18" rear hoop laced to stock hub
16/52 sprockets with 530 chain conversion to keep stock ratio and add some adjustabilitystock front wheel
Continentel TKC 80 dual sport tires front and rear
4.5 gal gas tank from 79 Yamaha XS750
Renthal dirt bike bars
Extend and flaten seat posts to fit a triumph scrambler seat???(still working on this one)

I have a few pics that I will try to attach first, then I'll post a few pics of my inspiration. Feel free to offer your feedback or suggestions...good, bad or ugly. I can take it!
Noffi

You need to use a 17T front sprocket with the 12.5in shocks. The change in the angle of the swingarm will make the chain constantly scrape across the top, right above the bearing, otherwise. Id be hesitant to do anything higher than 17/50. Might get away with 17/47 but it'd be close enough that you'd have to constantly keep your chain in perfect tension.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by engineer on 03/15/11 at 13:58:39

Like the idea. Please keep posting I would like to see the progress on this project. Somebody here mentioned re-lacing his front wheel with an 18 inch rim vs. the stock 19 inch rim. I see new tires in the pics so maybe you are committed to those rims but to me it makes sense to go with a smaller front rim to help pitch the angle of the bike forward to reduce rake. That way you might be able to put a 1 1/2 inch spacer in the front suspension instead of the usual 2 inch spacer and save some of that fork travel. If you do any dirt riding you might want that travel. But maybe you are already past that point on your build.

The straight top seat will get you some height so you can move the pegs back. How about the pegs? How and where do you plan to mount them and deal with the shifter etc? I would like to know how people are dealing with that problem. There isn't a whole lot of space on that frame. I see you got some help on that project. Including your kids is a great thing to do.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/15/11 at 17:58:17

Serowbot,
I'm really digging that tank/ fender. Did you have them chromed?

5244534E56434E55210 wrote:

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/15/11 at 18:01:43

Yeah...my son LOVES to "work in the garage" I have him convinced that some motorcycles talk...and we just happen to have a couple that do! Lucky I guess. Unfortunately, I got home from work late (after bath time) so the fork lowering session will have to wait another day. :-[

4056415C44515C47330 wrote:

PS,.. Man!,.. you look young in those pictures!... ;D...

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/15/11 at 18:05:39

I'm having a ball with this Web. You should give it a try. I mentioned this idea to Casey at Ryca. He said that he wouldnt mind seeing some pics after I'm finished. Seems like a nature progression for his new business to offer a scrambler kit.

784A4D5C5B4A5D624E5D442F0 wrote:

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/15/11 at 18:19:12

Oooo. That sucks. I just ordered a 16t front sprocket last night. I also ordered a 52 rear and got a message today that it was out of stock...so back to the drawing board. I knew that there would be a lot of hit and miss on this project as I've never built a bike like this before. My plan is to get as close to "good" as possible, and cruise on it while I figure some real mods out to make it a real paved road/gravel road rocket. I think that when we figure out what the right recipie is, these bikes will prove to be a great platform for this type of conversion as they are light, torquey, efficient and stone ax reliable.

So...do you see any work around for the swing arm interference short of building a new one from scratch and moving the mounting points? Keep in mind that by adding the 18 rear rim, that I will have to add (or substract I guess) 9.5% to the final ratio. I was shooting for close to stock with the 16/52 combo and the 18" rim allowing me to change the front sprocket to 15t front for shorter gearing needs and a 17t front for long interstate rides. Any ideas?

4770776B55626D050 wrote:

[quote author=4A57494841414E270 link=1300168343/0#0 date=1300168343]Hi all. I have been lurking for a while now and thought that I would add a bit instead of just taking. I've learned a ton about these great bikes over the last 6 months or so from reading the info you guys have added here over the years...so...thanks for that. I have to say, that I belong to several forums, but none have a better crew of guys (and gals).

I bought my 2001 LS650 early last summer with the intentions of buying a Ryca Kit and converting the bike to a cafe style. I've ridden it quite a bit. Even took it on a 750 mile round trip to a vintage bike show in Birmingham. She did just fine. The Ryca kit is a really great idea from a guy ,Casey, that appears to be good folks (he has even helped me with some information on my build)...but I suffer from impatient guy syndrome in a large way. So...I started the tear about a week ago with the thought of converting my Savage into a Scrambler style of bike. I'm planning on using the bike as a daily road rider, gravel road explorer and might even hit the occasional single trail. Here is the plan and pics will follow:

12.5 inch rear shocks
drop the front about 2 inches (to get rid of some rake. still has plenty clearance)
aluminum skid plate
18" rear hoop laced to stock hub
16/52 sprockets with 530 chain conversion to keep stock ratio and add some adjustabilitystock front wheel
Continentel TKC 80 dual sport tires front and rear
4.5 gal gas tank from 79 Yamaha XS750
Renthal dirt bike bars
Extend and flaten seat posts to fit a triumph scrambler seat???(still working on this one)

I have a few pics that I will try to attach first, then I'll post a few pics of my inspiration. Feel free to offer your feedback or suggestions...good, bad or ugly. I can take it!
Noffi

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/15/11 at 18:42:40

That 18" front rim is a great idea to get some of the rake out of this front end. My optimistic mind see's this project working out well. If that becomes a reality, it will be worth upgrading lots of extra things including going to aluminum rims. At that time, I could go to the shorter spacers or maybe new triple trees and forks altogether.

As for the seat, I'm looking at taking a seat from a bonneville and shortening it like this bike I saw at the Barber Vintage Bike show in Birmingham this summer. THAT was a great place to find inspiration. I saw trucinduc's bike there too...cool ride. Here is the idea...

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_0487.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_0489.jpg

For the pegs and shifter/brake, I'm planning on ordering a "rear set" kit from Ryca. If you notice the mounting point is not very far back and I believe that it could be moved forward a bit more. My tank is about 2-4 inches longer than the stock tank and the bonneville seat is MUCH longer than the savage seat. I'm sort of shooting from the hip, but after I legnthen the swing arm 1-2" (the new tire fits but leaves almost no room for adjustment at 26.5"), I think all of this will come together. I'll try to get some mock up pics of the new tank and a 2 foot level I've been using to simulate the seat length and angle.

42404B4049404C56250 wrote:

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Serowbot on 03/15/11 at 19:28:12

Quote:

Oooo. That sucks. I just ordered a 16t front sprocket last night. ...Any ideas?

If you leave the front pulley cover off,... won't that solve the problem?... ... or maybe just grind away the offending area?...:-?...

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/15/11 at 21:30:21

What do you guys think about using something like this?

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/roller21.jpg

or this...

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/two-brothers-replacement-guides-sliders-rollers-chain-roller-kit-drzklx-110_1.jpg

I'm finding that a ton of dirt bike and dual sport guys use these over on the adv rider forums. Sometimes these bikes are equiped with these from the factory. If this were to work out ok, i might even be able to go even higher on the rear shocks for more travel and less rake. Thoughts?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Serowbot on 03/15/11 at 23:07:18

If I'm envisioning the problem correctly,... that will just hold the chain up against the plate...

Since you've got the cog on the way anyway... I'd just install it, and look for the clearance issue...
I think you'll be able to trim away the cover plate to clear...
...or just remove it completely...

I'm flashing back to getting my jeans caught in my Hodaka chain...
Ahh,... the good ol' days... :-?...

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Edgar on 03/15/11 at 23:20:04

39243A3B32323D540 wrote:

Seems like a nature progression for his new business to offer a scrambler kit.

It'd be cool of they Started producing a bobber kit to rival the high prices of Blue collar bobbers. Not knocking BCB, I know it's good quality stuff, but seems like Ryca would be able to offer a more affordable price

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/19/11 at 20:43:28

Well...had a busy week and a few honey do's to take care of this weekend, but I did manage to get the tank stripped free of paint and all the rust cleaned from the inside. I also was able to add the 2" spacers to my front forks and get them back together. Here are a few pics of the tank just sitting on the bike with a 24" level used to mark where the seat will end over the rear tire. The tank will actually sit a little lower and an inch or two further forward after it is mounted. I just bought a new take off seat from a 2007 Triumph bonneville to use on this build. Not sure if I'll end up shortening it a bit or not???
First the pics of the mock up, then a pic of the seat that will go where the level is...

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5617.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5620.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5619.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/KGrHqMOKkUE1stlLZTrBNgilcbghw_12.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/19/11 at 20:58:20

Here is another possible option for chain rubbing concerns...

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/large_1032_chain-tensioner-post-weld-on-photo-1.jpg

This could possibly allow me to ditch these 12.5" shocks and go up to the 14" shocks used on the Jack Pine Triumph Scrambler in the first inspiration pic...Maybe...

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 03/20/11 at 08:59:25

The Yamaha tank is very cool. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Care to share any details on how you're mounting it?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/20/11 at 17:59:19

Thanks. Dont mind at all...
The under side of this tank has "ears" just like the Savage tank. I've used this xs750 tank for a cafe build on an xs650 once before. The ears are pretty close together which allows you to use the stock savage tank rubber mounts. I locate the mounting spot on the frame gusset, drill a hole through both sides of the frame gusset, run a short piece of all thread through it leaving just enough exposed to slip on the tank mounting rubber bushings and walla! The front of the tank is mounted.

The rear side of the tank will need a little more finessing though. You can see in my mock up pic, the 2' level sitting behind the tank. "approximately" where the level sits, I'll fab up a couple of tubes that will act as a place to mount the back side of the tank and the Bonneville seat, fender (maybe), tail light license plate etc... Having it higher like this will allow for taller shocks, giving me more clearance for when things get rough.
Make sense?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/20/11 at 18:08:04

OH.. I see what you are saying now Serobot...
The chain rubbing concerns are not on the cases. The problem is where the Swing arm mounts to the frame. Since the front sprocket is smaller than the front pulley was, the angle heading towards the rear sprocket interfere's with the swing arm mount. I expected the cog to be here by now. As soon as it get's here, I'll mount it up and see what it looks like...and post some pics of course. This info might be worth adding to the "chain conversion" thread...which should be a sticky btw...

I hear ya on the jeans in sprocket deal...My first bike was a Honda MR 50 Elsinore my Dad bought me when I was 8. I took it apart too... ::) ;D

495F48554D58554E3A0 wrote:

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Max_Morley on 03/20/11 at 19:44:56

Seems like I had a Yamaha Fat Tire that had a nylon anti wear plate that mounted on the swing frame, might try looking through a cycle boneyard for something. Also I used the spring loaded roller type years ago when I converted a Honda SL125 into a trials bike and had custom Kurnett(maybe Curnut) rear shocks made to get some rear wheel travel and take some of the rake and trail out of the front end. Took the slack out of the chain for trials riding. So long ago and I gave all the information to the new owner when I sold the bike. Max

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 03/20/11 at 20:44:08

342937363F3F30590 wrote:

I saw one of those somewhere and I thought I bookmarked it. Where is this one from?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/20/11 at 21:10:40

This one is from Lowbrow customs. I found another one from Troy fab that has an angle cut into the mounting bracket. Not sure which one will fit my needs best. My cogs aren't here yet! A google search of "chain tensioner" pulled up some intesting results.

46647F64497E6F6F636A0B0 wrote:

[quote author=342937363F3F30590 link=1300168343/15#22 date=1300593500]Here is another possible option for chain rubbing concerns...

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/large_1032_chain-tensioner-post-weld-on-photo-1.jpg

This could possibly allow me to ditch these 12.5" shocks and go up to the 14" shocks used on the Jack Pine Triumph Scrambler in the first inspiration pic...Maybe...

I saw one of those somewhere and I thought I bookmarked it. Where is this one from?
[/quote]

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 03/29/11 at 18:30:02

Well...I've hit a s l o w spot on the scrambler build. Between work, family, being stumped and waiting on parts I haven't gotten too far this week. I did receive my new Bonneville seat though. Very nice take off of a 2007 model before it was ridden ($100). Here is a rough mock up pic....

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5633.jpg

I'll probably need to lengthen the swingarm about 1-2" to clear this tire and still be able to adjust the chain. Hopefully this weekend I'll be able to get it to my welder to mount the tank and seat. I might relocate the top mount of my shocks too...so I can choose a longer shock for more travel and flaten out that swingarm a little too(helping to correct the chain rubbing on the swingarm pivot point). Hopefully will have some more pics after this weekend!
thanks
Noffi

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 04/12/11 at 21:24:16

Well guys, I finally got the scrambler build to a point that I needed to get some welding done. As I mentioned earlier in this post, I have no welder...or welding skills. That needs to change in the future.
Yesterday I dropped the bike off at a local bike shop that specializes in choppers, but typically works on anything. They have a pretty good rep in town, and seemed a little excited almost about my slightly out of the ordinary project, so I let them do work. It looks like they are going to do 4 things for me.
1. fab top tubes and mounting points for the front of the tank, rear of tank and same for the seat.
2. Lengthen the swingarm 2"
3. fab a stainless steel highpipe (example pic below) after I bring them an Emgo shorty reverse cone muffler 17"(ordered and on its way)
4. move my forward pegs and controls to mids after I bring in some take offs from something (any suggestions here?) for them to work with.
I'm a bargain hunter at heart so I was a little set back by how much this would cost, but that's what I get for not having these skills or tools and that's what they get for having them. Plus I don't want this to be shoddy work.

Anyone care to take a guess at what all of this work will cost?

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/135c6bc642328a3ae0669e684baf92ab1.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 04/13/11 at 05:03:43

You might be able get some mid foot peg arms from the scrapped frame of an old "standard" bike or dirt bike.

A small complication is the kickstand, which currently folds up right where the left peg would go. So while you're hacking up that scrapped frame, you might as well grab the kickstand assembly.

Or you can contact Ryca about their kickstand relocation piece. But they won't be selling individual parts from their kit until after they get all the complete kit orders filled.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 04/13/11 at 05:09:27

233E20212828274E0 wrote:

I'll probably need to lengthen the swingarm about 1-2" to clear this tire and still be able to adjust the chain.

Or you can notch the crossbar.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 04/14/11 at 17:12:28

Poop. I havent though about the kickstand. Should be pretty easy/cheap to figure out. I ended up buying dirt bke pegs from a Honda XL125. The shop I have the bike at now will weld them on with a shifter...not sure how to manage the rear brake though. Hopefully getting "creative" wont equal getting expensive.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 04/15/11 at 04:12:04

A brake pedal from any standard bike with a drum brake should work -- the kind that's connected to the brake arm by a rod instead of a cable. Then you just need to find a rod that's long enough, or adjust the length of whatever you find.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 05/06/11 at 20:25:34

Here are some updated pics from today after I picked the 650 up from the fab shop. The tank and seat are just loosley mounted, not finish mounted but you can get the idea now...

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5797.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5798.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5800.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5802.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_5804.jpg

Lots left to do but at least now, I can see it start to take shape. I'll keep you guys in the loop as I get closer to finishing!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by sbaugz on 05/06/11 at 20:45:06

looks awesome

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by houstonbofh on 05/07/11 at 07:27:29

What kind of bike did you start with again? ;) One hell of a transformation!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by jef.savage on 05/07/11 at 19:30:27

I love it! Very cool.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 05/07/11 at 20:27:15

Love that pipe!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 05/07/11 at 21:11:40

Thanks guys! I'm getting pretty stoked about this thing too. I'll probably end up riding the pee pee out of this thing for the rest of the summer, then make it look like something over the winter...we'll see. I'm having a blast with it. Next up is giving the bike a good once over to make sure that everything has been snugged down good and tight. Then I need to take care of a few things on the motor like the verslavy mod, adjust valves, plug leak, jetting for the new pipe and filter pod etc...
After I build a battery box similar to the Casey's on the Ryca, mount some oval shapped number plates on the sides and add a tail light/license plate mount I'll be ready to ride for the summer!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 05/07/11 at 21:27:16

On another note... I still have to figure out the whole mid control thing. I have a set of pegs and mounting brackets, but I need to find a shifter that will clear the stator cover (DR 650 maybe?) and a way to make a rear brake set up. Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by verslagen1 on 05/07/11 at 22:31:14

Here's were I'd place it...
There's a rear motor mount bolt, exchange that for one of the long front ones. And mount the foot peg plate between that and the muffler bracket mount with the other long bolt.

The '86 savage had a different set up. It used a plate like the right side. Buy one of those. Now you got a plate for the left side that just enough back that you can use the same linkage arrangement.

Of course you'll need to space it out from the front like what's currently up front.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 05/08/11 at 07:25:22

What are you thinking about for a heat shield? Seems like your thigh would get rather toasty.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by WD on 05/08/11 at 14:20:37

How familiar are you with the Tipton/Shelby line at Hwy 14? My 98 LS650 barhopper is parked right next to a 1963 Honda CL72 that has been both a Scrambler and a cafe racer in previous lives... I'm on Deadfall Rd, right on the county line. Can't miss it, C60 bucket truck in the front yard, 49 Dodge truck in my driveway.

Welders, forges, tons of donor metal here. You're welcome to come by any weekend except the night of Friday May 20th. Just PM me ahead of time.

CL frame is uncut if you need some factory Scrambler references.

Cold PBR (best beer for working on bikes, you pee more than you get sloshed) in the fridge.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 05/08/11 at 15:37:28

I'm in! PM Sent!

4556120 wrote:

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by WD on 05/08/11 at 16:22:46

Same offer applies to anyone else who wants to ride over. Bike style/brand irrelevant. If you are close enough to ride over, ride over. If you need help, truck it over.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Boule’tard on 05/09/11 at 06:55:47

I'm just curious to see how the pegs are going to mount. Maybe the Ryca bracket can be copied, or bought ala'carte?

Awesome project.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by splash07 on 05/09/11 at 08:26:08

I hope you will post a video of the completed bike out on the trail. This is an awesome build and I cant wait to see the final product.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by WD on 05/09/11 at 08:40:44

If he has a camera we'll get some shots here. I live on 54 acres of orchards, pastures, hills, creeks and mixed hardwoods.. Even have a section we can set up for mudhole testing.

I've been considering reopening my old bike business, have a 10 acre section we could put in a bike camping area...

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 05/09/11 at 19:41:58

Thanks guys! You better believe we'll get some video...I'm building this bike to ride...everywhere!

WD, I'm pumped about working on the bike, but I may have a tough time pulling it off this weekend. I just found out that my in-laws are coming to stay with us this weekend. Fortunately, we get along really well and I like it when they come by, but I wont get any work done on the bike. :'(
Looks like it may be a few weeks until the pegs get mounted then, but at least that will give me plenty of time to get a few other things sorted. I' try to get pics as go!
mpnoffi

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by WD on 05/09/11 at 21:16:05

No worries, if my new job comes through down in Memphis I'll have Sat/Sun/Mon off every week anyway.

A delay will just give me time to sort out an electrical issue with mine so it is ridable/reliable again. I'm sick of a fried relay killing batteries.

Oh, I've got a TS 250 shiny rear fender here and a coupe taillight mounts (Lucas or cateye) we can cut up if need be. Fender won't work on my factory Scrambler chassis.

I'm not going anywhere. I trust you know your way around a a coal forge if we need to make some odd mounting plates/brackets? ;)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/11 at 01:10:06

445947464F4F40290 wrote:

You cant get the Father in Law out on the garage long enough to accomplish anything? He wouldnt enjoy getting in on that a bit? If I went to visit someone & they were doin a project, Id try to get in & help out..Heck, if I went o visit someone & they Werent doin a project, Id likely try to get one goin,, just sittin around is dead boring..

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by WD on 05/10/11 at 07:23:59

What is left of a 1963 250 Scrambler...http://ravenscroftart.net/watchtower/Hondont.jpg

Came stock with flat seat like your Triumph one. Those are the stock handlebars and controls with aftermarket touring grips. Now has a flat track bend and CB Super Sport replica grips with replica Brit (Amal) perches and levers. Came with upswept pipes instead of the current CB series street pipes (street pipes on it when I got it). Stock fenders were floating mount inside perimeter frames (armored like a rock crawler, Holy Grail of Honda parts).

Seat is more comfortable than you would think. Will be getting an XR750 (HD dirt tracker) style tailpiece. The stock seat was beyond garbage, same for the cafe seat that I got with it.

12v kick only dual point ignition. Takes a micro battery. Supposedly the last year right side drive small CB/CL.

Frame is unmolested, I was going to hardtail it. Worth more as is than it would be as a custom rigid, probably more comfortable too.

100 mpg potential.

Pic taken at my old place in the mountains.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 05/11/11 at 18:38:34

Good deal WD. Good luck on the new job. I'll give you a shout sometime after the in-laws take off. Can't wait to get out there and see all the cool stuff. I'm not afraid of a little work at all...even though I may need a little coaching on how to do it! I usually figure things out pretty quickly. I actually had to google coal forge...but yes...I'm sure I can figure it out now...and I aint skeerd!

6477330 wrote:

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 05/11/11 at 18:45:14

...well that's cool and I would too...but what you dont know is that my father in law is 80 years old. Therefore I typically dont ask him to work when he drives the 5 hours to spend the weekend with me and my family. But when I go see him, I always find something to do for him around his farm, cause I agree that just sitting around sucks.

524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:

[quote author=445947464F4F40290 link=1300168343/45#50 date=1304995318]Thanks guys! You better believe we'll get some video...I'm building this bike to ride...everywhere!

WD, I'm pumped about working on the bike, but I may have a tough time pulling it off this weekend. I just found out that my in-laws are coming to stay with us this weekend. Fortunately, we get along really well and I like it when they come by, but I wont get any work done on the bike. :'(
Looks like it may be a few weeks until the pegs get mounted then, but at least that will give me plenty of time to get a few other things sorted. I' try to get pics as go!
mpnoffi

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 05/11/11 at 18:47:19

Man. I really like those bikes. whataya think about this one?

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/triumph-side1.jpg

1102460 wrote:

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by WD on 05/11/11 at 18:57:23

Not bad at all. I bet we can give yours a similar rear treatment if you want.

You have a preschooler and your father in law is 80 years old... :-? Just meesing with you, my father in law is 85 and change. I'm 38. I have a niece who is 42 or so...

We need to be careful when you test things out. I holed a new tire on the Ranger today. Locust tree throrn. >:(

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/11 at 01:35:26

Hmmm,, 85,, 85,,, Nope,, not thinking of a single project an 85 year old dude would want to jump on after a long drive.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by babyhog on 05/12/11 at 06:33:15

2 sweeeet looking bikes! I'd ride that Triumph in a heartbeat!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 06/25/11 at 21:09:34

Hey guys. I haven't forgotton about you guys or this project. I've just been really busy. Recently found out that my Dad has been given a short time to live so me and the rest of my family have been spending a lot of time with him. He lives in Nashville and I live outside of Memphis. My wife made me take a weekend to refuel and I chose to spend some time in the garage with my boy. Not much of an update here, but I was able to get a few things accomplished.

First I removed the airbox and battery box and changed the orientation of the battery. I think it fits much better like this. Also, its much cleaner and gives me more room to tuck in the high pipes and cover up most of the ugly with some number plates (pic with a number plate duct taped on below). After that, I fiddled with the wiring a little and put the tank a seat back on for a pic or two. I'm thinking about dropping the rear about one inch and raising the front one inch. I think it will help the stance of the bike and the additional front travel will be appreciated in the real world.

I've been trying to get a little time to go see WD as we just live a few minutes from each other. He has graciously offered to help me with some of the tough parts of this build. As soon as I get freed up a bit, I plan to call you soon WD!

This bike has helped tremendously as I go through some tough times. Has been a fun project and a good way for me and my boy to spend some time together. Please be patient. I will finish this thing some day ::)
Thanks
mpnoffi

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_6085.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_6089.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_6091.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_6092.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_6083.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by WD on 06/26/11 at 04:54:58

Sorry to hear about your Dad. Family comes first, no ifs ands or buts.

I have a regular M-F job now, usually home around 4 PM. There are pics up on the Cafe section, take a peek so you'll know what house to look for. Still keep PBRs in the fridge... ;)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Gyrobob on 06/26/11 at 05:54:17

Have you thought about using one of the tiny lithium-ion batteries? They are 1/5 the size and weight and might tuck up under the seat, or on down on top the forward part of the swingarm, leaving the whole area behind the cylinder empty. These batteries are more expensive, but they don't have any up or down so you can position them any way you want.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by SoE on 06/26/11 at 07:07:45

This is such a cool idea, thanks for including us. Sorry to hear about your dad.

I saw an old Harley "Flat Tracker" last week that this reminds me of a little bit. Your tires are awesome, btw.

http://www.sonofelvis.com/suzuki/Hds.png

Title: QUESTION
Post by mpnoffi on 06/27/11 at 19:18:55

Thanks guys. I appreciate the encouragement. Just doing what we can to make him comfortable now (and Mom too!)

As I find time in the garage to "refuel" from time to time I keep coming back to one question...

I have a wiring harness that is in perfectly good working order, but I continue to be led down a very minimalistic road. I would like to use my factory connectors, but redo the harnes to fit the application better and cut out anything that is not necessay to make it go or stop safely. While I can go right to a couple of "chopper wiring diagram" threads, none of them seem to be backed up much with experience by you guys here. I would like to run new wire but cut out the side stand switch and relay, neutral switch and relay and lose the decomp system (replaced by a simple but elegant lever like sbaugz did). Essentially, I want the ignition system, headlight, tail/brake light, horn, and signals front and rear. I also want to leave the option to run a power outlet (for gps or phone charger as I plan on this bike being a tool for exploring) and a vapor speedo/tach before it's all said and done. Do any of you guys use a minimalistic, bare bones wiring diagram that you know works?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/11 at 20:08:04

You gotta have High Low beam indicator in Texas to get inspected.
Id have to keep the Neutral light,, Its just handy

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Edgar on 06/27/11 at 20:23:58

Do these help?

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1173898705

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1266461145/6#6

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 06/28/11 at 05:26:08

The second one is new to me...I must have overlooked it. Thanks!
Still though, the hand drawing is a little difficult to understan since I am not an electrical guru. I really wished that we had a proven minimal wire harnes in our tech section. Maybe could be my contribution to this site??? after I figure out how! :o

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by manitoulinbob on 06/28/11 at 11:20:21

that is one great looking bike. love the tires and the lean look. just wish i had the know-how to tackle something like that. keep us posted ... as you can tell from the thread you have lots of interested followers.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 06/28/11 at 18:34:20

You mean...I needed know how to start this project???
Oh sh@$*!!!
Just kidding. Thanks a lot.
I have two pretty serious problems:
1. I take things apart. That's how I learn most things. Everything is just a mystery until I see what makes it work!

2. I don't believe anyone anytime they tell me that I cant make something work. Even (especially) if I don't know how to do it. It's a sickness...really. ::)

I am pretty pumped about how many people have stopped by this thread though. I figured that it would probably be just me in here.
8-)
I originally bought this bike for a Ryca conversion...but also had a pretty deep interest in the new Triumph scrambler (and other older scramblers). At that time, I had a new HD Iron 883, a 03 zx6r 636 and the savage. I sold the other two beasts and became a one bike man. I rode the savage more anyway.
thanks again!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Kaishaku on 06/30/11 at 06:54:54

That looks outstanding. I'd buy one if they came like that. :)

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 07/13/11 at 06:09:37

You mentioned changing the shocks to a more upright postion to get more travel. Actually, angled shocks provide a better swingarm movement-to-shock-stroke ratio.

With the shock vertical, the ration is 1:1. The swing arm moves up an inch, the shock compresses an inch.

Now, imagine an extreme (and useless) example where the top of the shock mounts to the swing arm pivot. The swing arm moves up an inch and the shock compresses zero inches.

Although I suck at math, I think we can see that with the shock at an angle -- like the stock position -- the shock compresses less than 1:1.

However, you can use a vertical shock and still use less of the shock travel, if you move the BOTTOM mount closer to the swing arm pivot. While the axle moves upward an inch, a point closer to the pivot moves less. However, you'd need stiffer springs in order to maintain the same effective spring rate.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by SoE on 07/13/11 at 06:34:00

The more I look at this thread the more I want a SS like this.
I NEED another Savage, but I still haven't finished the one I've got......

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by bluesavage218 on 07/13/11 at 08:02:14

415D57320 wrote:

The more I look at this thread the more I want a SS like this.
I NEED another Savage, but I still haven't finished the one I've got......

Hahah I totally agree. I think I want one of every style! Ryca, bobber, chopper, scrambler. We need a production line for these things!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Gyrobob on 07/14/11 at 18:00:35

092B302B063120202C25440 wrote:

Good point.

Also,... remember the Velocettes from the 50's and 60's,..?? (yeah, right) They had upper shock mounts that you could move forward and aft. Move it forward and you reduced damping, and, in effect, spring rate. Move it aft,... heavier damping and stiffer springs. love that muffler!!
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/Miscellaneous/velo10021204.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 07/17/11 at 19:11:12

That does make sense Moto...
My original thought process was moving the shock mounts for an upright position, while increasing the distance between them (without changing the angle of the swing arm) allowing me to run longer shocks. After mocking up this thing, I don't think there will be any reason to move them, unless the ride on a rough dirt road or trail is unbearable.

406279624F786969656C0D0 wrote:

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 07/17/11 at 19:32:24

Got a few minutes in the garage this weekend...but didn't seem to cover much ground. Here is what I accomplished this week...

Finally got the rust out of the gas tank without it flash rusting back with Evaporust from Autozone. Stuff is unbelievable! Also primed the XS750 Yammie tank with rustoleum high temp engine block primer, sanded it and shot it with "flat Aluminum" high temp block paint. I looked all over for a flat silver paint, but this is all I could find. I'm blown away with the results! I would have been happy if I had paid a painter for these results. The pics do it very little justice. Very clean.

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_6128.jpg

Refurbed the locking gas cap by stripping the chrome off, cleaning the mechanism, and shooting it and the key cylinder face with VHT high gloss black caliper paint. I've used this stuff before with great results, but it is VERY picky paint. After shooting, I baked it at 200* for 1.5 hrs in my oven (good wife) :) I have a brand new yammie gasket for it too...

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_6127.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_6131.jpg

Lastly... you guys have seen my cobbled together RYCA rip off battery box. I finally got it all wrapped up and I'm happy with the results as well. I used 3m door edge to line the oustide edges and to act as a grommet for the hole that the wiring goes through. Then I added 2 peel and stick rubber pads I found in the furniture section at Lowes to keep the battery in place and vibe free...

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_6132.jpg

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x440/mpnoffi/IMG_6133.jpg

All in all, I don't gues it was too bad of a weekend. I'm just getting REALLY anxious to start beating on this bike! >:( hopefully I'll have another list for you guys later this week or next weekend!
take care
Mpnoffi

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Edgar on 07/18/11 at 02:40:09

That tank really does look sleek man. How does that evapo rust stuff work?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by splash07 on 07/18/11 at 07:06:25

slow and steady will win the race. I too am working on a build a couple hours at a time so I know how frustrating it can be. Looking really good though and keep it coming.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 07/19/11 at 05:52:10

2706050310620 wrote:

How does that evapo rust stuff work?

Like this:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk182/motobuddha/9485268d.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 07/19/11 at 05:53:40

That's truly one of Yamaha's handsomest tanks.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 07/19/11 at 19:40:30

Yeah. I think so too. This makes twice that I have used one on a project. It's handy that xs650 petcocks, caps and gaskets are a direct swap on these because they are pretty plentiful and not too spendy. 4.5 gallons too. My a$$ will quit long before I run out of fuel.
This particular tank was a sweet eBay deal at 40 bucks.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by WD on 07/20/11 at 19:41:41

Heck of a steal, the last one of those I sold (immaculate new old stock) went for $350... without any add-ons.

Wish I hadn't cut the mounting lugs off my frame, my 2-2.5 gallon flat tracker tank has gotten annoying. But, running out of gas the same time I run out of a$$ may not be a bad thing.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 07/31/11 at 15:41:42

tank on
new petcocks tightened
filter in-line

it runs! woohoo!!!
:D

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by SoE on 07/31/11 at 18:30:57

More pics!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by teabowl13 on 11/02/11 at 15:14:08

Just found this thread, and I have to say, I LOVE what you are doing here. My friend Jay and I are just starting a vintage roadster Savage. haven't even gotten enough to start a thread yet, but I really like some of your ideas, and I can't wait to see how she comes out.
Cheers!!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by mpnoffi on 11/27/11 at 19:32:28

Hey guys. This one is going up for sale on the Memphis, TN Craigslist for $1400 obo. Life happened...and a project wasn't in it for me. I just can't find the time to enjoy a major (to me) project right now along with family and work. I'm awefully close to finishing, just no time...so I bought a road/dirt ready1995 DR 350 with 3k miles to keep me on the road...and sane. Thanks for all of the interest and kind words from everyone. I sincerely appreciate it. If anyone has any questions on this build, feel free to post here or PM me!

thanks

mpnoffi

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 11/27/11 at 20:00:55

Oh man, so tempting. Since messaging seems to be broken, email me at eldoonfeeb@gmail.com.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by teabowl13 on 11/27/11 at 20:32:20

I know all about life happening, but that does indeed make me sad.
That was a truly unique idea, and I really hope that whomever buys that pile of tin from you continues in your quest and makes it into a really cool bike...

Cheers! and good luck...

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/28/11 at 09:32:28

How much was the evaporust & how big was the jug?

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by MotoBuddha on 11/28/11 at 09:46:24

4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:

How much was the evaporust & how big was the jug?

128 fluid ounces, which is 1 gallon or 3.785 litres. The price is in the $10 range, depending on where you get it.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk182/motobuddha/d21e5d98.jpg

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/28/11 at 09:56:32

Im gonna give that stuff a run,, when my Ospho gets low.,. I like Ospho cuz I can just wipe it on, walk away, but I think this Evapo stuff is a new product & seems like a winner,, so,, I gotta try it.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Chevce on 04/15/17 at 12:10:28

mpnoffi, I realize that this is a very old post, but I'm just now starting on a scrambler build of my own using a 2006 S40. I've been looking at the TKC80 tires and really like them. What size did you end up going with? And did you have to notch out the swingarm or do any other modifications to get the rear one to fit? Thanks in advance!

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Dave on 04/15/17 at 13:14:37

567D70637670272422150 wrote:

mpnoffi, I realize that this is a very old post,

mpnoffi has not been on the forum since 2011......you likely won't get any response.

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by Ruttly on 04/15/17 at 16:13:46

Yeah I noticed that too ! But you never know it's only been 6 years !

Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Build
Post by HillSavage on 04/16/17 at 09:12:51

Looks great, does Chain mod help with dirt and mud?