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Title: Helmets Post by rl153 on 01/17/11 at 17:01:16 My wife and I use open faced helmets . How likely are you to fall on your chin if you crash? Are there any statistics?I don't want to get full face helmets ,but I'm concerned.Thanks |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by crackmonkey on 01/17/11 at 17:06:58 dont know if there are statistics out there but murphy's law is murphy's law. however if you are used to open faced keep at it. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by james may on 01/17/11 at 17:55:55 Get some of those nifty modular helmets that the whole front part folds up.. Then it's like a 3/4 helmet when flipped up and a full face when flipped down. I like full face anyways when your going above say 35mph keeps the bugs and such out of your eyes and teeth. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by Serowbot on 01/17/11 at 17:58:44 very likely... Thirty-five percent of all crashes show major impact on the chin-bar area. http://motorbikeclaims.org.uk/categories/Motorbike-Safety-Gear-Advice/ |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by kimchris1 on 01/17/11 at 18:28:59 When I went down 10 months ago, had it not been for a ff helmet I would have sustained severe injury to my jaw. My jaw smacked the asphalt hard enough to send my shield flying. I am very happy to say I suffered no neck or injury to my head. Each person decides what is best for them. I won't tell you to wear a ff yet I gave you a good reason why to wear one. :) kim |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by verslagen1 on 01/17/11 at 18:35:25 gonna have to wade thru this one later... http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/motorcycle/Motorcycle_HTML/appa.html |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by sluggo on 01/17/11 at 22:34:01 i have four different helments a full face, an open face. a half helmet,,and a beenie just depends on what the ride is going to be |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/18/11 at 00:33:36 Ive seen a report with a sketch of a helmet & a face. It shows the helmet divided into zones & %age of impacts on what zones. The open face helmets leave mashed faces a high %age of the time, according to that report. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by gerald.hughes on 01/18/11 at 01:39:41 Have you ever seen a motorcycle cop in a full face helmet? |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by Paladin. on 01/18/11 at 02:38:01 Risk Compensation. It is the Truth. Citation (http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/1982_83-06.pdf) Citation (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2008/tables/08s1071.pdf) Year... number of thousand motorcycle accidents.... thousands of motorcyclist deaths within 30 days... calculated rate of deaths per thousand accidents 1960 100 0.8 8.0 1965 235 1.7 7.2 1970 305 2.3 7.5 1975 372 3.2 8.6 1980 560 5.1 9.1 1985 480 4.6 9.6 1990 180 3.2 17.8 1995 152 2.2 14.5 2000 130 2.9 22.3 2004 150 4.0 26.7 2005 n/a 4.6 higher? When where sport motorcycles and full face helmets started being popular? I would have to stop the library to check magazines from the '70's - '80's. Why has the rate of deaths/accidents tripled with more 'protection'? |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by babyhog on 01/18/11 at 05:25:47 Here's one statistics diagram that has been around for a while. I believe its still the one they used in my safety course a while back. Its from the Hurt Report Study done in 1981. http://dontai.com/wp/2010/05/20/motorcycle-helmet-impact-zones/ http://dontai.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/helmetcrashdiagram.gif |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by Driller on 01/18/11 at 06:22:48 The diagram that BabyHog posted is originally from The Hurt Report. It is a good statistical study of MC accidents and results. Certainly some eye opening info that is worth a look. Kim gave a good reason for FF. I restored the teeth and jaws of a couple of riders who kissed the pavement....now you know where my handle came from...it was enough to convince me to stick with full coverage. I'm sure DrHarveys can add to that knowledge as well. Each of us has to weigh the different risks of what we do and play the odds as we see fit. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by LostArtist on 01/18/11 at 07:40:17 6F5E535E5B56513F0 wrote:
first off, I don't understand these numbers, cause they aren't related to how many riders there were in each time period, just how many accidents/deaths, so without that reference this is kinda useless info and what's the 30 days thing?? just to point out that deaths now are still lower than in 1980 5.1 then vs 4.6 now with a low in 1995 of 2.2 what has happened since 1995 to make those deaths go back up? relaxing of helmet laws maybe? better braking technology, better education for riders? anyway, the point is, the more you feel protected it is possible that you will take more risky behavior thinking you are protected against any harm, as adults, this should be out of our systems by now. but I can't tell you how many 18 year old brains I've met in 50 year old bodies . . . personally I wear full face, would love a modular eventually but I've already got too many freaking helmets |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by greenmonster on 01/18/11 at 07:47:46 Actually, it really doesn't matter how many riders were on the road. A helmet only comes into play when there is an accident. So what you need to know, is how many accidents there were and how many were fatal. What would be a lot more helpful is if you could also add in the speed involved in the accidents. If I remember correctly the Hurt Report had stats for that. Of course when the HR came out, we didn't have 16 year olds getting CBR 600's as a "starter bike" ::) |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by james may on 01/18/11 at 09:37:06 Yeah it really should be illegal to get a supersport bike as a starter bike!! Sure its got less displacement than our savage but its got more horsepower than a harley electraglide and weighs less. Supersport bikes and motorcycle culture saying anything under 1000cc is a beginner bike really contribute to accidents i think. It gives sport bikes a bad rap for being dangerous too, when they're probably just as safe as cruisers in responsible hands, possibly more so because of better handling and riding position.. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by Serowbot on 01/18/11 at 10:14:02 182924292C2126480 wrote:
Cell Phones... :-?.. 1985–2008 Year Subscribers 1985 340,213 1986 681,825 1987 1,230,855 1988 2,069,441 1989 3,508,944 1990 5,283,055 1991 7,557,148 1992 11,032,753 1993 16,009,461 1994 24,134,421 1995 33,758,661 1996 44,042,992 1997 55,312,293 1998 69,209,321 1999 86,047,003 2000 109,478,031 2001 128,374,512 2002 140,766,842 2003 158,721,981 2004 182,140,362 2005 207,896,198 2006 233,000,000 2008 262,700,000 |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by verslagen1 on 01/18/11 at 10:18:31 It would be interesting to see the sales and scrap data per year broken out for size and style of m/c. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by Paladin. on 01/18/11 at 14:01:05 Progressive Insurance has the numbers. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by Baldeagle on 01/18/11 at 17:14:55 When I had my accident last Oct the helmet saved my face from serious injury. The face shield was completely destroyed. Gamble if you want to..........the odds are not in your favor as you tumble down the street like a rag doll. Ride safe |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/18/11 at 17:41:25 I slid up the bedside of a pickup & smashed my face into the cab corner. The helmet folded in enough to split my lip. Open face? Woulda been Lots of surgery to get me able to eat again. Or, maybe I woulda died. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by JohnBoy on 01/19/11 at 15:15:02 In 2005 riding with an open face helmet cost me part of a nose. Putting it back on cost me 56K. Who would have thought a nose cost that much? In 2007 an open face face helmet cost me a 'face'. My face cost about 125K to put back on, (they had to make the parts). Today I wear a full face helmet. The most expensive helmet you can buy wont cover the cost of the ambulance ride, much less the hospital stay. And it might just keep you from going. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by rl153 on 01/19/11 at 17:25:24 Thanks for all the great info, I'm sold! Definately getting two full faced helmets. Whats a good brand for ff helmets and price range? |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by kimchris1 on 01/19/11 at 19:27:28 Many different brands. You can check your local mc shop or internet. If you check your mc shop, it will allow you to find one that fits your head right. Prices vary as some brands are higher than others. It all depends on how much your willing to spend, as well as what additions you want on it. Shoeli, Bell, HJC are a few off hand. Just remember cheapest is not always the best. My first ff I paid $142.00 or. Replaced it after my accident with a ff modular for $192.00. Go try some different ones on and see what you find to be the best for you. Take care.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by Max_Morley on 01/19/11 at 19:38:59 +1 was wearing my HD 3/4 helmet when I was tossed off the bike last Thursday when the sidecar hit the back corner of the stopped to turn car and then spun the rig around and the car on top the bike with the bike on the left side. My glasses scratched my nose and the R lens is scratched. Also the shield that was up at the time is scratched pretty bad. Had a Full Face flip up but wasn't able to trim the liner correctly to not press on my BTE hearing aides and hurt me. Will be trying again to find a flip up. FWIW in Grant Co WA the motor sheriff's have flip ups and I think the WSP motor officers do also, seems I read where a guy was stopped with the chin bar up and no glasses or shield and was cited. He prevailed in court with pictures of the M.O. riding with theirs up and no glasses either. They do have a shield however and that meets the intent of the WA law. I have seen the GCS motor officers run with theirs up also in hot weather, but with glasses and a shield. Had the proper jacket on but no gloves and birdy's nail got bent back pretty bad, also have a deep bruise on my left hip that is still a concern, but x-rays showed no signs of a fracture. Should have had the padded trousers on. Bet I won't straddle either bike again w/o gloves. Max |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by rl153 on 01/20/11 at 08:05:37 Do you think one of those $100 bell ff helmets would protect you ok or are those not good enough? I see them at Motorcycle superstore.I was reading some people think modular isn't as safe as standard ,I don't know . |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by TheSnakeLady on 01/20/11 at 08:50:58 As long as they're DOT approved then they're fine. If you want to be extra sure you've got a good helmet look for the SNELL approval. Check out snell info here: http://www.smf.org/stds.html DOT approval is all you need to be legal, but Snell is much more stringent with their testing, if a helmet has a Snell seal than your gauranteed to have an excellent helmet! Hope this helps! |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by bill67 on 01/20/11 at 09:48:01 I've been wearing open face helmets for 40 years I have a full face I use when real cold But I think that the visibly to the side makes the open 3/4 a saver helmet.I have never crashed or went down. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/11 at 10:12:02 2821322D2A2175767D7D440 wrote:
I Slammed my face ibnto the cab corner & my flip face helmet saved my face. The latch did nopt fail during the crash & worked afterward. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by rl153 on 01/20/11 at 12:18:18 Thats really something JOG . Does the modular or flip face jaw protector lock in place ,or does it slide up and down ? |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by greenmonster on 01/20/11 at 13:37:04 I find it interesting how many people are saying that their flip up FF saved their chin/face when mine says right no it that it does not provide chin protection. I guess that's just to cover their butts then? |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by weracerc on 01/20/11 at 13:49:16 My Vega Summit II modular locks very well - I bought an off brand from Chin and the tabs were broke before it got to me - the Chin $40 the Vega $ 160 get what you pay for. I wear the modular in the summer time and a full face non modular in the cold weather. both are Vega brand...the Vega full face i got from ironponymotorsports closeout $25 delivered BNIB even 2XL even and evil looking even what a deal...DOT approved on both..... |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by james may on 01/20/11 at 14:23:49 I've got a vega ff helmet too! I got it for 50$ ebay auction brand new.. Thought they were a cheap brand cause helmets can run in the 300$ range. It works though i'm happy with it. Oh don't forget to wear your other safety gear guys.. in order of importance: Helmet, Gloves, Boots, long pants or riding pants, long sleeve shirt, riding jacket. jacket is probably the least important, but it does keep your elbows from getting skinned if your long shirt would have failed. Gloves very imporant for grip throttle control, protection from wind chill and injury to your hands in a crash since their very fragile and the first thing to hit the ground if your falling. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by MotoBuddha on 01/20/11 at 14:57:26 Every rider has to decide what his head is worth. I see a lot of people who must not think it's worth much. |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by sluggo on 01/20/11 at 14:59:35 65475C476A5D4C4C4049280 wrote:
they are called organ doners. :( |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by s40fan on 01/22/11 at 09:35:14 Also keep in mind that helmets do have expiration dates. It is good practice to replace helmets every 3-5 years. Most helmets are good for 5 when purchasing a current model year. Watch out for clearance helmets because they have usually been on a shelf for a few years. Reason for expiration date is the glue and fastening materials degrade over time. Impact protection is reduced as a result. Safe bet IMHO is anything new over $200 from a major manufacturer is good for cruising. If you are going to do serious spirited riding or track days, invest in a high quality race level helmet. All helmets might meet the DOT or SNELL standard, but remember, the top of the line helmets far exceed the standards. There are no numbers that I know of that show the difference in testing of meeting or exceeding. Just pass or fail. So there are big differences in cheap approved helmets and the expensive ones. Final thought and most important: best helmet is the one that fits. If the helmet moves while wearing it, it wont protect you properly. Fit is everything, and higher quality helmets come with replaceable cheek pads of various sizes to ensure best fit and protection. I wear ARAI and Scorpion and find they fit me well. I have more confidence in the ARAI. SHOEI is also a well respected brand. Take some time to watch these videos and really listen, great info that could save your life and those riding with you. Some great videos that explain this topic on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRmWBp65gbo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyvpvcs-ixI&feature=related |
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Title: Re: Helmets Post by s40fan on 01/22/11 at 09:44:31 For a little proof, watch this superbike compilation video and note how many of these guys walk away from their crashes, and how many times their heads bounce off the pavement. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1f3l_vUCrY&feature=related |
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