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Message started by babyhog on 12/29/10 at 18:05:22

Title: Scooter trike
Post by babyhog on 12/29/10 at 18:05:22

Some of you may remember me mentioning my elderly neighbor who wrecked his scooter a few months ago. Well, he has healed up and now he is considering buy a 3-wheeler. Here's one he is looking at. Anybody ever rode one of these things? I would think the 2 front wheels would be less likely to tip over than 2 rear wheels? The suspension on this thing looks pretty cool.

http://https://www.scooterdepot.us/files/prodimages/h_thumbnail/mc_d150tka.jpg

Look how it leans when turning:

http://https://www.scooterdepot.us/files/prodimages/b_detail/mc_d150tka07.jpg

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by mick on 12/29/10 at 18:08:36

I like the look of it,I bet it's spendy. ?

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by babyhog on 12/29/10 at 18:14:07

$1,999. brand new. not bad, huh.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/29/10 at 19:39:25

Whats the name of it? Looks good to me, but with a price that low, Id be afraid I mite be gettin what I paid for, not a lot.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by verslagen1 on 12/29/10 at 20:42:51

http://www.scooterdepot.us/Trike-Gas-Motor-Scooters-150cc-3-Wheels-Moped-p-730.html

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by kimchris1 on 12/29/10 at 20:54:00

It is very cute and looks like it might be a blast to ride.. :) kim

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by Paladin. on 12/29/10 at 21:44:26

What you are looking at is Chinese Crap.

At this page: http://www.scooterdepot.us/Trike-Gas-Motor-Scooters-150cc-3-Wheels-Moped-p-730.htm it claims "FREE One Year Engine and Frame Warranty ($99 Value)"

Actual warranty is: http://www.scooterdepot.us/Warranty-sp-4.html --

Quote:

This warranty covers factory defects and defaults only. We do not cover misuse or broken parts caused by the user or by any other event.
...
costs on the first warranty part(s) shipment only. Any additional warranty parts which are needed will require the customer to pay any and all shipping and handling costs.
...
1. Engines are not covered. Each engine is started, tuned up and tested before we ship the vehicle to you.
2. The warranty does not cover wear and tear ....
7. Battery will be covered for 1 week.
9. Labor is not covered under warranty
11. We do not reimburse for warranty parts. All parts under warranty must be ordered directly from our parts department.
....

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/ http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ -- about 25 million people that may have bought and are now trying to sell "sunny" motorcycle/scooters -- NONE.

Personally I would not buy this vehicle. I have not heard of anyone who have bought one.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by mick on 12/29/10 at 22:00:25

7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:

Whats the name of it? Looks good to me, but with a price that low, Id be afraid I mite be gettin what I paid for, not a lot.

it's only 150 cc ,couldn't pull a wet man out of bed. 2K looks like you get what you pay for.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by kimchris1 on 12/29/10 at 22:13:01

Wow Big P, when one reads all that, makes me wonder why anyone would buy one?
A cute piece of crap yet none the less a piece of crap indeed. kim

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/29/10 at 22:15:36

Thats what I th0t.. that many parts for that few dollars? Gotta be junk.

Wouldnt it be great if some good Bike Rag would test this thing on a Long Term TRial? Like, run the thing for a year & see if it stays together.

WAIT, Dont Bother calling Them,, ILL Do the test! You guys just pitch in & buy the scooter..

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by babyhog on 12/30/10 at 05:20:23

Hmmm.. interesting stuff. Will do some more reading. Its my 75ish year old neighbor who is considering buying. He ordered a 2-wheel 150cc scooter from the same place last year, and wrecked it (sun got in his eyes, dropped the wheel off the roadway and down he went) Yea, its Chinese crap, but it served his purpose, which was to have some fun on it, and be able to ride to his daughter's house about 3 miles away, and ride into town about 1 mile. He is not going to do any major travelling on it. I rode his first one a few times. Definitely not great quality, but like I said, it served what he wanted. It seemed to run pretty well and looked decent. He wants to be able to ride, and is now scared of the 2-wheel variety.

I definitely don't like the fact that the engine is not covered by warranty. That scares me the most. So thanks for digging deeper than I did. I'll be sure he reads all that information.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by Driller on 12/30/10 at 05:50:55

The China scoots do have their quality issues. A fellow in my town has a three wheeler (two on the rear) that actually has a roof! Same basic gY6 engine and tranny. He has gotten pretty decent service for how it is used, but said he had to completely go through it to refasten nuts/bolts, trace electrical connectors, etc.
On this one, my biggest concern is the articulated front suspension. The Piggiao MP3's with this set up are fairly robust, but complex and very pricey.
Still...it looks like it could be a fun scoot for bringing doughnuts home from the bakery. ::)

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by bill67 on 12/30/10 at 06:05:21

My local Suzuki dealer had one of those Piggiao MP3.He said they were nice,But most people that road it wouldn't buy it,They liked the real motorcycle feel.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by youzguyz on 12/30/10 at 06:15:13

I test rode an MP3 a couple of times. It is a hoot and half to ride. It leans just like a 2 wheeler, and holds corners VERY well. With practice, you can lock the front suspension as you come to a stop and never put your feet down. It unlocks when you twist on the throttle.
It is NOT for someone who really needs a trike to stay upright. Much narrower stance than that Chinese one in this post. It WILL fall over!

A CanAm Spyder is a consideration for a wide stance machine. Very pricey though.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by babyhog on 12/30/10 at 09:46:01

77617B74697B77740E0 wrote:

Yes, I've seen the CanAm but yes, very very pricey! So you think it would be easy to fall over on the above Chinese thing??

His balance and strength isn't bad, and he handled the scooter "ok". One of his problems was he had some surgery and was taking pain meds, and didn't realize how the meds upset his sense of balance. He stopped taking the meds and his balance has returned... Amazing huh, lol. His confidence, not so much yet.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/10 at 09:56:40

Put the guy on a bicycle

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by youzguyz on 12/30/10 at 11:06:55

No, the Chinese thing looks like it can't fall over.

It's the MP3 that will fall over if you aren't careful. And they are pretty heavy as well.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by Paladin. on 12/30/10 at 14:22:19

Cut the front end off an ATV, weld to the front of a Savage.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/10 at 16:32:21

This scooter seems to bring new meaning to the words

Scooter trash

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by 12Bravo on 12/30/10 at 19:15:45

I would shy away from the Chinese made scooters. I have one and can't sell the darn thing. Justin, I ride a scooter (Burgman 650) and wear a "scooter trash" patch proudly on my vest :)

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/10 at 22:07:53

& you Should,, cuz the Berg is way cool.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by mpescatori on 12/31/10 at 03:56:54

544258574A5854572D0 wrote:

No, the Chinese thing looks like it can't fall over.

It's the MP3 that will fall over if you aren't careful. And they are pretty heavy as well.

Youzguyz, you got me so angry with that silly little comment of yours this is the third time I'm posting my reply >:(
I seem to be sooo upset I make stupid little mistakes and have to start over.

OK, here goes, here's a few examples of Piaggio MP3s falling over.

http://motopassione.blogosfere.it/peugeot/Peugeot%20HYbrid3%20Evo%202010%20%282%29-thumb.jpg
http://moto.noiblogger.com/files/2009/06/piega-mp3.jpg
http://www.motocicliste.net/moto/piaggio/Mp3b.jpg

In other words, the MP3 will lean over more into a bend than a savage... 8-)

It will also countersteer you out of trouble
http://www.ilmessaggero.it/MsgrNews/HIGH/20071028_moto11.jpg

Here's an old 1984 prototype on a puny little Vespa 50cc
http://www.vespaforever.net/lo_file/pk3ruote.jpg

In fact, the MP3 is such a POOR DESIGN even KTM copied it !!!

http://zeligplanet.altervista.org/images/blog/brudeli.jpg

So, go on, slam Italian industry... :-? Support your chinese whatever... :P

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by youzguyz on 12/31/10 at 05:13:39

4D5045534341544F5249200 wrote:

[quote author=544258574A5854572D0 link=1293674722/15#16 date=1293736015]No, the Chinese thing looks like it can't fall over.

It's the MP3 that will fall over if you aren't careful. And they are pretty heavy as well.

Youzguyz, you got me so angry with that silly little comment of yours this is the third time I'm posting my reply >:(
I seem to be sooo upset I make stupid little mistakes and have to start over.

OK, here goes, here's a few examples of Piaggio MP3s falling over.

In other words, the MP3 will lean over more into a bend than a savage... 8-)

It will also countersteer you out of trouble

So, go on, slam Italian industry... :-? Support your chinese whatever... :P[/quote]

Dude.. no mean to slam anything. The MP3 IS heavy (compared to a Savage). 450 lbs Dry for the 250 and 538lbs Dry for the 500cc.

And it WILL fall over.
I ain't talking about while in motion. I said it was a hoot and a half to ride, and it is. It corners great, and I said so.
I'm talking about when you are stopped. People think. "I got 3 wheels, I'm good!!" Then they forget to lock the front suspension and over it goes. Or, they stop at light with the front end locked, but it's at a bit of an angle when they do (yes, it will lock when you are not exactly upright). So.. they take off and the bike is already in a lean.. bad news. Or they try to straighten it up and forgot how heavy it is.

So, if you want to be mad at me, be mad. I test drove them.. I've talked to mechanics. I've talked to people that dropped them.
It's a lot of fun, but it is not a trike, and it WILL FALL OVER.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by mpescatori on 12/31/10 at 08:22:54

I ain't talking about while in motion. I said it was a hoot and a half to ride, and it is. It corners great, and I said so.
I'm talking about when you are stopped. People think. "I got 3 wheels, I'm good!!" Then they forget to lock the front suspension and over it goes. Or, they stop at light with the front end locked, but it's at a bit of an angle when they do (yes, it will lock when you are not exactly upright). So.. they take off and the bike is already in a lean.. bad news. Or they try to straighten it up and forgot how heavy it is.

So, if you want to be mad at me, be mad. I test drove them.. I've talked to mechanics. I've talked to people that dropped them.
It's a lot of fun, but it is not a trike, and it WILL FALL OVER.

Little kids are told not to stick things up their noses, or into their ears, so they do.

The first thing they tell you at the dealership when delivering a new MP3 is
DO NOT LOCK THE FRONT SUSPENSION AT THE LIGHTS !
So, apparently, some smart aleck will...

There are many jokes on many things cracked by people who are poor in those very things...

FIAT = Fix It Again, Tony! (UK) Tony must be a schmuck, ever considered going to Bill's Garage?

ALITALIA = Always Late in Takeoff, Always Late In Arrival (UK, US) Yet, Alitalia still flies today...

I have no jokes to tell on Vespa or Piaggio, but there are more plants building Piaggio designs in the world than Honda... ;)

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by verslagen1 on 12/31/10 at 08:28:49

Maybe you can borrow one from peugeot...

You always go slow on a ....

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by Serowbot on 12/31/10 at 08:42:31

I like it,... very sexy...
...and air-cooled, 4 stroke, and belt drive... very easy maintenance...
Don't know about the reliability of the Chinese motor, but the old guy will probably not ride that far...

Mick,... a red one would match your Miata... :-?...

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by Trinity Trike on 12/31/10 at 15:39:36

I mostly just lurk, but I couldn't keep totally silent on this one! The two wheels in front configuration does feel strange, and yes, there are new definitions for the phrase "Chinese Junk" that have nothing do do with boating! (I'll say no more, lest it seem self serving).

And don't forget that if/when you want three wheels, we are the place to look to keep you on your beloved thumpers:

http://www.thetrinitytrike.com/roadster/savage/index.html

Happy New Year!! ;D

Bob Witte, President
www.TheTrinityTrike.com

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by Bigzuk on 01/01/11 at 01:33:41

I love the looks of the trinitytrike and want to someday have one.

I just wanted to add that we ran into several threewheel scooters with two front wheels that do tilt on the tail of the dragon ride two years ago. Don't know what brand, but they cornered faster than many of the two wheelers.

Bigzuk

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by Boofer on 01/02/11 at 05:48:56

National pride and quality issues aside, dodging potholes on three wheels seems to be a major issue in roadtests I've seen in cycle mags. And I like the looks of the Can Am.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by mpescatori on 01/03/11 at 13:51:36

09222C313E204B0 wrote:

Bigzuk, I have taken the liberty of highlighting those three words, as one said, for national pride.

Two years ago the only scooter with two front wheels was the Piaggio MP3. 8-)

Today, the chinese have copied. OK, so what ? Chinese bikes have wet-paper bag quality compared to European production. ;D

As comparison, would any of you buy a Chinese lookalike to a Harley ? Or buy a secondhand specimen of the Real McCoy ? ;)

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by mick on 01/03/11 at 20:47:10

Lets face it there are no decent bikes coming out of this country.
Wouldn't it be great if the US started to build them,who knows is 20 years or so they might catch up with Italy.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by mpescatori on 01/04/11 at 08:51:43

55515B534C505D5451555D41380 wrote:

Lets face it there are no decent bikes coming out of this country.
Wouldn't it be great if the US started to build them,who knows is 20 years or so they might catch up with Italy.

Mick, if you go on pulling my leg, one of these days I'llbe six feet tall !!! ;D ;D ;D

;)

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by bill67 on 01/04/11 at 09:17:51

Our cars never got up to the Italian cars I guess our bikes want either. :) Fiat coming to the USA again.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by Tonydtiger1971 on 01/04/11 at 18:10:17

That thing cost more than my Savage. Kinda cute though.

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by drharveys on 01/06/11 at 19:19:20

I rented a 250 Chinese scoot on Maui during a pre-Christmas vacation.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Maui%202010/DSC02307.jpg

It wasn't too bad (aside from being kinda gutless) for heading up the coast.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Maui%202010/DSC02274.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Maui%202010/DSC02293.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Maui%202010/DSC02285.jpg

But the next day the rear tire blew out. Fortunately it was during a slow U-turn and I was able to keep it upright. The rental people were quite apologetic, and comped me a scooter trike as compensation. Being curious, I tried it.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Maui%202010/DSC02420.jpg

Absolutely dreadful! I am NOT going to give the Chinese scooter industry a third try at killing me and/or Mrs. Doc. Should there ever be a return to Maui, I will be renting the Piaggio!

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by kimchris1 on 01/06/11 at 19:49:08

Doc, nice to know you and the Mrs. wasn't hurt while on the scooter or the trike. Now we have a first hand opinion from someone who rode one.
Their cute yet with all the information that has again transpired since this thread first was posted, I choose not to ride one.. Of course this is my opinion and your all welcome to decide for yourselves.. :) kim

Title: Re: Scooter trike
Post by drharveys on 01/07/11 at 21:02:35

I'm sure that a well made and set up trike is a whole 'nother story from the Chinese POS I played with. As for the blowout, I think there was a slow leak in the rear tire -- they topped it off right when I rode it off, and it seemed OK for the rest of the day. We had it for 24 hours, so the second morning we just putted around the resort area. I made a u-turn in front of a shopping area, and that's when the pop-pfffssst! happened. At least we had someplace comfortable to hang out it till they picked us up!

Mrs. Doc at the shopping area
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Maui%202010/DSC02387.jpg

The rest of the sperm whale skeleton:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Maui%202010/DSC02386.jpg

Still, I think the basic trike design is flawed. The two wheels in back, one in front tends to topple rather than slide. With the two in front, one in back, the rear wheel will slide if overpowered, similar to a rear wheel drive car. That's why it was used in the classic Morgan and the current Can-Am. The Piaggio is designed to act like a two wheeler with a monster contact patch in front.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Bike%20Sushi/mog2500.jpg

A trike, like a child's velocipede tricycle, topples without any warning when cornered hard -- that's why the three wheel ATVs were banned. The "Big Wheel" kid's tricycle has a center of gravity well below the center of the front wheel, so on a smooth surface the rear wheels will slide.

Guess who's had this conversation regarding tricycles and grandkids??