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Title: Belt snapped... Post by verslagen1 on 12/02/08 at 07:06:07 5055525454535F3A0 wrote:
Dear Snapped... It's very unusual for a belt to snap, in fact yours is the first I've heard. Check fleabay if can wait, otherwise a new one is expensive. When you get it, we like a rather loose tension. Adjust the tension so that you can twist the belt 90° between the front and rear pulleys. |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by serowbot on 12/02/08 at 10:24:20 Belts go 80k miles on Harleys, should last even longer on a Savage...must have gotten damaged to fail so early...You can't repair it, have to buy a new one. Bad luck |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by thumperclone on 12/02/08 at 16:07:56 /good reason to stay off gravel roads!! dirt bikes have chains.... |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by BurnPgh on 12/02/08 at 23:54:13 i got a belt if you need it. I think they're something like $280 new. 15k mi's. No damage. Either way sorry about your bad luck. Rare for a belt to snap especially with so little use. |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by PerrydaSavage on 12/03/08 at 00:37:20 Sorry 'bout the belt ... but now time for a chain conversion ... prolly cheaper than buying a new belt! Good luck! |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by SV og LS on 12/03/08 at 01:02:37 Beginners use original belts ;) I'm on the 3rd belt at the moment. They are wear items and may need replacing every once in a while. The original went slightly before 50000 kms but the cheaper aftermarket belts don't appear to last nearly as much. I'd get a thicker and stronger heavy duty belt next if we were to keep the bike and I could be sure there's enough room around the front pulley (there's not much). Your 20000 miles seem quite low, do take care the replacement is aligned and tensioned correctly. |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by Rockin_John on 12/03/08 at 15:49:17 484D747C57481B0 wrote:
"cheaper aftermarket belts" ??? There's no such a thing. There is one maker of the belt for the Savage and that is "Bando;" and there's only one place to get it from, and that is Suzuki. It is a one-of-a-kind proprietary belt and pulley set made by only one company who will only sell it to one other company (Suzuki). There is no other supplier of the original belt. Several folks (including me) have searched the industrial pulley and belt manufacturers and all have come up empty handed. If you know something the rest of the world doesn't, you need to share that info!!! :D |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by SV og LS on 12/03/08 at 23:54:31 675A565E5C5B6A7F5A5D5B350 wrote:
"cheaper aftermarket belts" ??? There's no such a thing. There is one maker of the belt for the Savage and that is "Bando;" and there's only one place to get it from, and that is Suzuki. It is a one-of-a-kind proprietary belt and pulley set made by only one company who will only sell it to one other company (Suzuki). There is no other supplier of the original belt. Several folks (including me) have searched the industrial pulley and belt manufacturers and all have come up empty handed. If you know something the rest of the world doesn't, you need to share that info!!! :D[/quote] Belt is model specific, pulleys are not, original pulleys work with aftermarket belts. With slight modification you can use 'one size up' if you get the idea. However I've never used eBay or such and if it's true there are cheap used original belts, there's little point modifying the bike for generic belts. They were an option back when used parts weren't as widely available and online breakers didn't exist. |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by Rockin_John on 12/04/08 at 18:58:38 484D747C57481B0 wrote:
"cheaper aftermarket belts" ??? There's no such a thing. There is one maker of the belt for the Savage and that is "Bando;" and there's only one place to get it from, and that is Suzuki. It is a one-of-a-kind proprietary belt and pulley set made by only one company who will only sell it to one other company (Suzuki). There is no other supplier of the original belt. Several folks (including me) have searched the industrial pulley and belt manufacturers and all have come up empty handed. If you know something the rest of the world doesn't, you need to share that info!!! :D[/quote] Belt is model specific, pulleys are not, original pulleys work with aftermarket belts. With slight modification you can use 'one size up' if you get the idea. However I've never used eBay or such and if it's true there are cheap used original belts, there's little point modifying the bike for generic belts. They were an option back when used parts weren't as widely available and online breakers didn't exist. [/quote] The belt AND pulleys are Suzuki only items. Believe me, we've been through this before. If there were other pulleys and belts available; the chain conversion would not be necessary to get different gear ratios. You say there are aftermarket belts available: I say prove it and show us where these generic belts are, and just what modifications are needed to run these generic belts? There is no great supply of cheap used belts from breakers... People often need a good replacement and Suzuki sticks us up for big bucks by keeping it all in-house. Like I said: Do the world a favor and tell us what your secret is to using "generic" belts... |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by SV og LS on 12/04/08 at 19:25:53 714C40484A4D7C694C4B4D230 wrote:
"cheaper aftermarket belts" ??? There's no such a thing. There is one maker of the belt for the Savage and that is "Bando;" and there's only one place to get it from, and that is Suzuki. It is a one-of-a-kind proprietary belt and pulley set made by only one company who will only sell it to one other company (Suzuki). There is no other supplier of the original belt. Several folks (including me) have searched the industrial pulley and belt manufacturers and all have come up empty handed. If you know something the rest of the world doesn't, you need to share that info!!! :D[/quote] Belt is model specific, pulleys are not, original pulleys work with aftermarket belts. With slight modification you can use 'one size up' if you get the idea. However I've never used eBay or such and if it's true there are cheap used original belts, there's little point modifying the bike for generic belts. They were an option back when used parts weren't as widely available and online breakers didn't exist. [/quote] The belt AND pulleys are Suzuki only items. Believe me, we've been through this before. If there were other pulleys and belts available; the chain conversion would not be necessary to get different gear ratios. You say there are aftermarket belts available: I say prove it and show us where these generic belts are, and just what modifications are needed to run these generic belts? There is no great supply of cheap used belts from breakers... People often need a good replacement and Suzuki sticks us up for big bucks by keeping it all in-house. Like I said: Do the world a favor and tell us what your secret is to using "generic" belts...[/quote] Doesn't anyone run an industrial belt here? I've used them since 1998 or 1999 and know a Finn who put one on in 1993 so this is not ground breaking or difficult. There are a few people using them in Europe. As I said, just go 'next size up'.. If you've searched belt manufacturers, you've probably searched for exact replacement which you won't find. Take the closest match and make it fit ;) New pulleys would be too expensive to make it worthwhile, for different gearing chain and GS sprockets are the practical choice. |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by Rockin_John on 12/04/08 at 19:44:03 Why do you keep failing to tell us exactly what "generic" belt you are using? It should be easy enough for you to find out if you've done it a couple of times as you claim. Sorry man, but your failure to produce the information of what brand/type/manufacturer's ##'s etc... etc... is setting off my BS detector. Yeah, and "through the Internet" I know a Korean who is now a Canadian citizen. He claims to raise the dead with some simple homeopathic remedies; but I haven't seen the zombies walking around, so I ain't believing him just yet... ::) ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by serowbot on 12/04/08 at 20:52:52 59646860626554416463650B0 wrote:
that's 'cause he's good......really good.........Buhhhhhhuhhhhaa!.... |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by SV og LS on 12/04/08 at 23:30:46 1528242C2E29180D282F29470 wrote:
::).. don't the more hardcore Savages with turbos and stuff exist if the builders haven't provided you with a parts list, complete list of tools needed and documented build diary? Half the fun of motorcycling is solving technical dilemmas and finding solutions. One more tip: Minor welding is needed. An angle grinder is handy, although not essential. If you've contacted belt manufacturers and found nothing, you didn't know what you were looking for. Just find out what you need (the specs of original belt, I suppose you know that?) and what industrial belt is the closest you can get. Then you'll already know the correct replacement and you can feel smug about it. If you find nothing I'll tell you the replacement belt specs. |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by Rockin_John on 12/05/08 at 01:44:57 444178705B44170 wrote:
::).. don't the more hardcore Savages with turbos and stuff exist if the builders haven't provided you with a parts list, complete list of tools needed and documented build diary? Half the fun of motorcycling is solving technical dilemmas and finding solutions. One more tip: Minor welding is needed. An angle grinder is handy, although not essential. If you've contacted belt manufacturers and found nothing, you didn't know what you were looking for. Just find out what you need (the specs of original belt, I suppose you know that?) and what industrial belt is the closest you can get. Then you'll already know the correct replacement and you can feel smug about it. If you find nothing I'll tell you the replacement belt specs. [/quote] Just more big talk... and nothing to back it up. It has become a pattern. One that I'm bored with. I just wondered if you would come up with the goods if pressed. Of course you didn't. I have done the homework before, and don't care to travel that ground again. And though I'm adept with any fabrication tool outside of the machine shop; it sounds to me like re-inventing the wheel. If you have to weld and grind or do much modification work at all so you can use a slightly cheaper, but inferior belt, (by your own admission). What is the point? Sounds like you did a lot of work to degrade the quality of the bike. That type of information is of no interest to me, and best left out of the hands of "beginners" anyways. ::) Not to worry though... I did a chain conversion on one of my Savages, so I know the feeling ;). All that work and expense just to have a greasy old chain. And the gear change sounds like a good idea at first, but when you have two Savages side-by-side to do real A&B test rides... It turns out that the stock gearing is really about spot on for overall use with the bike under load. I wouldn't recommend the chain conversion and higher ratio to anyone unless they are a real lightweight who doesn't pack a lot of gear on long rides. Maybe a skinny long-distance commuter, who likes to cruise at 80MPH. Otherwise, the stock belt is a much better drive system. OTOH, I've been really tempted to gear one of the Savages WAY down to where the red-line in top gear was about 75-80mph, and have some serious fun with the low gears; tractor torque, and some tight curves! :) 8-) |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by SV og LS on 12/05/08 at 05:01:06 467B777F7D7A4B5E7B7C7A140 wrote:
I still got a feeling you didn't do your homework and at least decode the original belt, did you? But if you are still sure there are no belts outside Suzuki dealer that would fit Savage, at least without too much work, then be it. Yes, the cheapest generic belts don't last as long as originals. Heavier duty versions could be better. On a positive side, both industrial belts were less noisy than original as the edges are uncovered and both were slightly narrower = less rubbing and somewhat easier to align. Replacements were a bit easier to get (before online shops) and at least they are cheaper. The point was, generic belts are there if someone wants to try one. I never said they were a lot better than original. 467B777F7D7A4B5E7B7C7A140 wrote:
I've got used to chain drives again with my current SV and they have their positive and negative sides. On a Savage I may have liked to go slightly taller but not enough to do anything about it. I mostly miss the cleanliness of a belt drive. |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by Rockin_John on 12/05/08 at 08:57:35 SV og LS: Looks like you have nothing I want. I did cover the "generic" belt ground very well as you can look at major belt makers specs online till your head spins, and as you admit: There is no exact replacement. The fact that there are belts that are "pretty close" is no news to me; but I'm not interested in hacking my bike to fit an inferior belt. The last thing a biker wants is some undependable belt that is apt to leave you sitting on the side of the road. As for swapping to an SV, I wouldn't let the chain stop me; but the bike is so dang ugly! ;D In the same vein, I kind of had the hots for the new Kawasaki Versys when I first saw the pictures of them. But then I finally got to sit on one in the showroom. Now, I'm just not sure I really want to deal with the tall seat height. Not that the Savage is that great of a fit for me (as you have experienced). But at least the Savage is a great platform for swapping things around to how you like them if a person is so inclined. With the other mentioned bikes, you better like them as they are; because there aren't anywhere near the options for changing the bike around as there are with the Savage. Anyways... As I've begun to repeat: you have no information that I haven't covered myself, and there is no point in giving away your secret belt information to the ignorant masses; who would only be likely to mess their bike up, and then blame you for the results! ;D See Ya in some other thread later guy! ;) |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by SV og LS on 12/05/08 at 12:59:58 5F626E66646352476265630D0 wrote:
.. you may have found the same magic number.. 531? Or was it? Anyway, it does also work as an emergency replacement even for a stock bike without the small mods. But only as an emergency, to get the bike home as such. I really haven't checked the prices these days if the generic belt's a good value or not. 5F626E66646352476265630D0 wrote:
I've already had a SV650 for a couple of years, it has seen a bit of road and I may replace it to something more comfortable this winter as I do mostly work related riding, boring roads in bad weather if my schedule tells so. I am about 192 cm with boots so I fit largish bikes well. It'll be midsized, below 1000cc road bike, my lower back don't like cruisers, I need to get a bit of weight off my a*se into hands and feet. Modern street bikes are a bit funky looking these days but I'll try to read a few tests and articles to find one that would at least work well even if it was ugly. SV is still reliable so if I don't find a new bike, it'll get me from A to B for another year and wife'll do shorter trips on our LS (which is a bit worn these days I have to say). 5F626E66646352476265630D0 wrote:
Yep, see you too.. |
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Title: Re: Belt snapped... Post by verslagen1 on 12/05/08 at 13:25:57 What happened you guys run out of piss? Stock belt length is 133 teeth, width is 40mm, I've forgotten what the pitch was, .25"? I think the closest belt we've found has 135 teeth. Now if you've found some custom pulley's, you might have something interesting to talk about. |
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