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Title: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by oddurb on 11/24/08 at 09:50:02 Hi all ! I have a LS650 Savage, year "90 . The bike has always been running smooth and starts every time, even when kept over winter. One day it just would´t start.... It cranks but it feels like the starter is just spinning without turning the motor.... what might bee my problem ? The spark is fine, the battery is good, i have tried multiple batteries. there is fuel, there is air, I have tried choke/no choke, and tried giving it full throttle and no throttle. tried cranking in neutral and in gear.... Is my starter broken or is the coil bad ?

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by verslagen1 on 11/24/08 at 09:55:00 compression? then check the starter gear

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by savageclay on 11/24/08 at 17:03:09 Check your cam chain.

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by Yonuh Adisi on 11/24/08 at 21:32:03 Post questions in Rubber Side Down, you will get a better response. Especially since the tech section is for posting how-tos not how-do-I-do-this.

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by dasch on 11/25/08 at 02:11:52 Now, that you are here... If starter doesn't engage the gear, it sounds like a hair blower. Constant whirrrrrr. If it does, it's a whirr-thump, whirr-thump, whirr-thump sound. You should confirm that first before we get creative with advices :-) Anyhow - how do you know the spark is good if starter doesn't turn the engine? Or you meant the spark plug?

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by oddurb on 11/25/08 at 05:20:28 414456464D250 wrote: Now, that you are here... If starter doesn't engage the gear, it sounds like a hair blower. Constant whirrrrrr. If it does, it's a whirr-thump, whirr-thump, whirr-thump sound. You should confirm that first before we get creative with advices :-) Anyhow - how do you know the spark is good if starter doesn't turn the engine? Or you meant the spark plug? Hi sorry that I posted it here, Im very new in this forum and I live in Iceland and we don´t have any forum pages for Suzuki in Iceland... This is the only one I like and Im proud and thankful that I can be a part of your community... But anyhow I tried starting it today and it definitely sounds like a hair Blower, It usually sounded like "whirr thump thump", but now It´s clearly sounding just "whirrr whirrr whirr squeeky sound" like a blower. I appreciate all help thanks Best regards Oddur

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by dasch on 11/25/08 at 06:48:45 OK, in that case - not so good. Either your starter gears or starter clutch is worn (bad) or one of your valves stayed open for several possible reasons (worse). Now you need to check if starter turns the cracnkshaft. Try to sit on the bike, shift to 1st gear, release clutch and try to BRIEFLY crank. Less than half second. Make sure nothing or nobody is infront of you. Try few times. If bike moves at all, starter and it's transfer seems OK. Then it really gets pitoresque :-(

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by verslagen1 on 11/25/08 at 07:57:26 kickstand up too.

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by dasch on 11/25/08 at 08:05:09 ... correction, oddurb - disregard previous post, Savage won't crank with clutch released and if not in neutral... Totally forgot this. Plan B: You need another person to check if starter engages crankshaft. He/she neeeds to look through the hole on the right hand side, where the big slotted plug is. Remove the plug, (some oil will creep out) and crank normally (bike in neutral, kickstand up and clutch depressed). If axle inside (crankshaft) turns - then it gets pitoresque... Sorry about this.

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by verslagen1 on 11/25/08 at 08:32:11 sure it will, just short the contacts of the clutch safety. On the clutch lever there's a switch with 2 wires coming out of it. I don't know if they are soldered on or with a connector. But you should be able to short across the terminals for the test.

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by dasch on 11/25/08 at 08:44:59 Slick! Slick you are, Verslagen  :-)   It's a connector. Two yellow wires comming in. Disconnect and short them ...or drive a single sharp needle through both wires... Don't ask where I picked that up... :-)

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by Skreature on 11/30/08 at 23:53:22 Hi guys, I'm new to this forum, so i'll introduce myself a little: I'm Jory, 20 years old, and live in Holland. I got my license 11 sept this year, and imediatly started riding my sav. I really like the bike, its not really big, and it's supposed to be easy for a beginner. I use the bike for school/work traffic, and for fun also, but now i got a problem: The day before yesterday i cleaned the bike, with some water and stuff, so for so good. The day later i started the bike, started really smooth, and i went riding. It was quite cold, a bit snow and rain here (in Holland). Then, after like 5 km (3 miles) my bike started having trouble. When i needed it to perform, like accelerate, or just going from 80 to 90 km/h (going up from 50 miles/h) it started having trouble. Just like it wasnt getting any fuel, and then it suddenly stopped. I tried to re-start it, but without any effect. Then, when the engine was cooled down i could start it again, and ride for like 7 more miles, then it stopped again. And it wasnt start-able anymore, it just made gun-shot like sounds while starting randomly, exept from that, it made just the sound the bike makes when its starting (except the engine 'taking the spin'. Anyone got any idea what to do, or how to 'cure' this? Sorry to ask you guys, but remember im a sav nooby :P so i dont know a lot of bike stuff. /edit: i forgot to tell you guys, its just like there's smoke coming from the front of the engine, at the lower front side (like 5 inches below the exhaust connection) Its also possible that it's just water (condensed) but i'm not really sure.

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by verslagen1 on 12/01/08 at 07:04:43 Try running it in prime, sometimes the automatic petcock acts up. If that fixes it, then check the vacuum line from the petcock to the carb.  And cracks or loose connection and the petcock will shut off.

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by Digger on 12/01/08 at 20:52:26 516970676376777067020 wrote: Hi guys, I'm new to this forum, so i'll introduce myself a little: I'm Jory, 20 years old, and live in Holland. I got my license 11 sept this year, and imediatly started riding my sav. I really like the bike, its not really big, and it's supposed to be easy for a beginner. I use the bike for school/work traffic, and for fun also, but now i got a problem: The day before yesterday i cleaned the bike, with some water and stuff, so for so good. The day later i started the bike, started really smooth, and i went riding. It was quite cold, a bit snow and rain here (in Holland). Then, after like 5 km (3 miles) my bike started having trouble. When i needed it to perform, like accelerate, or just going from 80 to 90 km/h (going up from 50 miles/h) it started having trouble. Just like it wasnt getting any fuel, and then it suddenly stopped. I tried to re-start it, but without any effect. Then, when the engine was cooled down i could start it again, and ride for like 7 more miles, then it stopped again. And it wasnt start-able anymore, it just made gun-shot like sounds while starting randomly, exept from that, it made just the sound the bike makes when its starting (except the engine 'taking the spin'. Anyone got any idea what to do, or how to 'cure' this? Sorry to ask you guys, but remember im a sav nooby :P so i dont know a lot of bike stuff. /edit: i forgot to tell you guys, its just like there's smoke coming from the front of the engine, at the lower front side (like 5 inches below the exhaust connection) Its also possible that it's just water (condensed) but i'm not really sure. Hi SK, Here's another thing you can try: Clamp the petcock vacuum line shut.  Turn the petcock to PRI and try riding the bike.  If that makes it run good, let us know and we'll guide you through the next steps. IHTH!

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by Skreature on 12/02/08 at 02:26:01 Thanks a lot guys. I thought it could be a fuel problem indeed, so i tried to remove the fuel line, to see if its working. It worked, but there wanst a lot of fuel coming trough, so it might be the petcock indeed. Gonna try that this afternoon, thanks for the really great advice! I really didnt think of the pri, or clamping the cable, so thanks, lets hope it works. I'll let you all know!

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by Skreature on 12/03/08 at 06:12:07 Yesterday evening i tried the carb vacuum line thing, and.. it worked! i had to ajust the screw (i think its the idle screw) a little, to get it running, but its working quite well now. When i was back home i did put the cable back in place, and reconnected it. Then i suddently remembered that the cable wasnt that far in the time before, so i think the problem is halfway solved now. Today i tried the bike, and it worked fine! except a little bouncing\choking (i dont know the word in english) The other thing i saw was that the carb was totally wet at the outside, turned out to be gasoline (that was yesterday, when the bike was on pri). Dont think thats really normal is it? THanks for your help btw, it helped me in a BIG way! Thanks!

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by Digger on 12/03/08 at 19:26:38 132B32252134353225400 wrote: Yesterday evening i tried the carb vacuum line thing, and.. it worked!.... Hi SK, Exactly which "carb vacuum line thing" are you referring to?  Let us know and we'll guide you through the next step. Also, if there is still gasoline leaking around your carb, repair the problem immediately.  That could be very dangerous! IHTH!

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by Skreature on 12/03/08 at 23:53:35 Hello Digger, Sorry, i was talking about the thing you told me. Put a clamp on the cable and run it on pri. The leaking was only when i had it still on pri when not running the engine (not very wise of me) normally (before, but also today and yesterday) it didnt leak. Its really strange, i have to ajust the idle screw (i think its the idle screw, it makes the engine run a little more or less when its running idle (stationary). Sorry for my bad english and my even worse motorcycle knowledge. I think the carb might be a little dirty also btw, it hasnt been running for 1 year before i started using it. Thanks a lot for your time and help!

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by Digger on 12/04/08 at 19:57:34 Hi SK, Glad to hear your Savage is running again!  If the fuel leak returns, please let us know. For now, leave the petcock line clamped.  Select PRI on the petcock when operatining the bike.  Select ON on the petcock before you walk away from the bike.  Since you are unsure of the condition of the petcock, I'd repair it or replace it fairly quickly. There are some posts here that talk of using a petcock from a Yamaha Raptor 4-wheeler.  There is also a post that covers modifying a petcock to get rid of the vacuum dependency.  If you like to spend money freely, you can replace the petcock with another Suzuki Savage petcock. Ride safe!

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by Skreature on 12/05/08 at 00:12:26 4B6668686A7D0F0 wrote: Hi SK, Glad to hear your Savage is running again!  If the fuel leak returns, please let us know. For now, leave the petcock line clamped.  Select PRI on the petcock when operatining the bike.  Select ON on the petcock before you walk away from the bike.  Since you are unsure of the condition of the petcock, I'd repair it or replace it fairly quickly. There are some posts here that talk of using a petcock from a Yamaha Raptor 4-wheeler.  There is also a post that covers modifying a petcock to get rid of the vacuum dependency.  If you like to spend money freely, you can replace the petcock with another Suzuki Savage petcock. Ride safe! Hi Digger Yesterday i pulled the vac line off, it was kinda perforated at some places. So i bought a new, much thicker vac line, i'm going to install that this weekend! Thanks a lot for the advice, i forgot to put the petcock back to on the day before yesterday, and i found out why i should do that. When i'm riding now, and dropping from higher tourqe to lower, it makes some (not really) funny sounds, think thats referring to backfire. Maybe i should clean the carb soon, because it hasnt been running for a long time. Thanks again! Skreature

Title: Re: LS650 Savage. Wont start Post by Digger on 12/05/08 at 18:45:28 754D54434752535443260 wrote: ........Maybe i should clean the carb soon, because it hasnt been running for a long time. Thanks again! Skreature SK, That's always a good idea if the bike has been inactive for some time......good luck!

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