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Title: Oil type??? Post by davedra on 12/03/06 at 16:45:57 What type of oil is needed for my 1998 LS650 Savage? |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by smokey02 on 12/03/06 at 17:29:16 Here's what my 96 Owners manual sez: http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C12%5C03%5Cbikepics-738391-full.jpg My oil filler plug has "10W-40" embossed on it. I use Valvoline 4-Stroke Motorcycle Oil (Part No. VV740) JASO MA SAE 10W-40 API SF/SG/SJ I change oil at 1500mi, oil and filter at 3000mi. But do a search on "oil" you will find many MANY different opinions... |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by georgekathe on 12/03/06 at 18:57:18 I too use Valvoline 10-40 for bikes - buy @ autoparts store. don't need Suzuki brand specific - would (likely) only cost more (doesn't everything with a proprietry label?!) although a matter of preferential choice, I change my filter every oil change (they are cheap, especially if bought online & not Suzuki brand). moreover they are not large so have a relatively lot of "work" to do - hence my changing as often as I do. just my 2 cents worth... |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by sluggo on 12/03/06 at 19:12:38 davedra wrote:
that my friend is the multi billion dollar a year question. it's much like asking "what type of bath soap, deoderant, toothpaste, shampoo is needed to stay clean. those choices are what drive our everday economy. ;) don't buy the hype, any quality 10-40 is sufficiet. don't use tephlon addiidives as they cause clutch difficulites. other than that, go crazy, sky's the limit, what every makes you feel good. ;) i use, delco 400 10-40 in every machine i use (and that's alot of them), arrid extra dry spray, crest, and flex shampoo ;D. since we've done the oil disscuion i thought i would expand the catergory. 8) 8) finally got the ole tounge loose from the dumpster. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by geo on 12/03/06 at 19:33:24 Never use petrolium type oils like Valvolene! Use only Synthetics. The only 2 true synthetics available are Mobil 1 and Amsoil. These oils made from a PAO base, and are different from petrolium lubricants. I use only Amsoil 10W-40 in my LS650. (and my Honda S2000). Synthetics produce no petrolium sludge, reduce friction, and run cooler. Go to the Amsoil site and get informed. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by sluggo on 12/03/06 at 19:55:15 geo wrote:
really, ;D, i guess the 98,000 miles i got out of my last thumper using just average 10-40's mean nothing. that and i've never had an engine related failure ever with delco 400 in any machine. like i said don't buy the hype, a website devoted to sales will always show their product in the best light, it's call sales. the key to reducing slude, friction, and engine wear is regular changes with filter, and preventive maintance. i prefer to spend my extral pennines on whats really important. FUEL |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by WD on 12/03/06 at 20:18:42 I run Castrol GTX 20W50 in my 98 Savage. Nothing else has worked as well for me, and I've tried several types/weights. I use synthetics to clean out the crankcase when I buy a used bike, and then run car oils. Keep it clean and the bike is happy. Buy filters by the case. The Emgo cheapies from JC Whitney work fine, but are rated for 1500 miles, tops. Says so right on the box (ALL of the boxes, I sell the things). -WD |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by klx650sm2002 on 12/04/06 at 00:39:56 I use Putoline off road 4+ in KLX, should work in a Savage too. It says on the bottle:- 10w/40, 100% synthetic 4 stroke competition off road oil (jaso ma / api sg). Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by justin_o_guy on 12/04/06 at 06:55:09 Sluggo, Delco didn't google for me. I entered "delco 400 10-40 sf sg rated" & no oil. Is this just a plain 10-40 like a car might used? Or does it carry the SF or SG rating? I was told bikes need thaT to keep the clutch from being destroyed, but if you got 98,000 without it that would make that idea "hype". I just don't want to pour $$$ in a crankcase if I can get the same service & performance without it. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by Max_Morley on 12/04/06 at 07:33:23 It is chevron RPM 'Delo' not Delco. It is always in truck stops as many Diesel Engines operators use it. It was the leader of the pack in its time and is still a fine product, Max |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by azjay on 12/04/06 at 07:35:43 i would suggest that ANY oil is better than none :-[ |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by Savage Librarian on 12/04/06 at 08:05:55 Oil is always a spot of contention for riders, it seems. We all hold to our own ideas and preferences. As long as you don't get too crazy with your oil choices, you'll probably be all right (as I prepare for disagreements from folks ;) ). "Clean oil is better than dirty oil, and any oil is better than no oil." |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by bholly12 on 12/04/06 at 09:36:53 [quote author=azjay link=board=RubberSideDown;num=1165193157;start=0#10 date=12/04/06 at 07:35:43]i would suggest that ANY oil is better than none :-[/quote] Doh! :o How's the cam chain repair going? |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by Gulfstream on 12/04/06 at 10:37:29 The recommended Dino (petroleum) oils work fine, just stick to the recommended change interval. Synthetics don't really lube any better but they do tolerate heat much better and may flow better cold. If you're one that doesn't always stick to the change intervals the synthetics may be for you as they tend to hold their viscocity better as they age. I always use synthetics for their additional heat protection. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by Reelthing on 12/05/06 at 10:19:14 Mobil 1 v-twin 20w-50 summer mxt4 10w-40 winter changed at less than 2k miles - only have 2 qts to work with better make it a good 2 qts in the heat around here - pour all that other stuff in the furnace :-* |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by azjay on 12/05/06 at 19:20:20 bholly12 wrote:
it looks alot like a rear brake repair on her harley. i got the new hose tonight and put it back on the road. the suzuki cam chain will have to wait until the new year. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by steelwolf on 12/05/06 at 19:34:31 Well since there are so many opinions here already I'll add my own. Obviously any oil is better than none. And since running vegetable oil makes "Thing" smell like french fries I use regular old garden variety 10-40. No need to be brand specific, it don't matter. Oil is oil is oil. It all has to meet the same standards to be sold as a certain weight. The only thing to watch for is additives that will affect clutch performance. Now that we are talking about one of the only two things that will bring good friends and bikers to battle, let's open the other.....Helmet laws. ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by justin_o_guy on 12/05/06 at 20:09:29 STEELWolf,, What kind of additives are not okay? I would really like to be dumping a regular 10-40 in it. I am running a 20-40 now & the slight leak where the clutch actuator sropped.. seeps a bit with the 10-40. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by hutch on 12/05/06 at 20:12:42 Just one more thing before we open up the helmet debate. Air cooled motors run much hotter than water cooled ones. That is the reason most bike manufacturers and bike mags tell you not to run car oils. I know it stinks when you fracture a hose or such disasters happen and your not in front of a bike shop. I have always put in the best oil and closest viscosity car oil in to get me home. Once I get there it's oil change time ,and back to a good motorcycle oil. With the low capacity of the savage oil system it would be something to think about. I know a lot of you have had no problem for a lot of miles, which tells me the motor is very fogiving. I guess I just like to play it safe |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by steelwolf on 12/05/06 at 20:54:13 Justin_o_guy, you want to stay away from things like teflon, and other friction reducers that are added to the oil. They work wonders on the engine but they make the clutch plates slicker as well. Slick clutch = slipping clutch. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by justin_o_guy on 12/05/06 at 20:57:44 Thanks, but th only oil I can find has teflon in it, I guess I'll just have to add a pinch of sand.... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by Savage_Rob on 12/06/06 at 05:19:20 geo wrote:
You might try looking at Maxum4 Extra (http://www.maximausa.com/products/4stroke/maxum4synthextra.asp) sometime. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by sluggo on 12/06/06 at 05:58:54 steelwolf wrote:
i got no problem with helmet laws, i wear one by choice, even in states that do not require it. as for those who don't, hey whatever floats your boat. but just don't try to tell me it restricts vision, if so why do racers all wear them. a quality helmet that fits properly allows for full vision. you may have to move your head a little to see speedometer, no big deal, who pays attention to that anyway. ::) but they reduce my hearing. a helmet cuts out most of the external noise, and that loud muffler covers up more than any helmet would. it's to hot. i'm sure that's what dale jr says after a five hundered mile race. yet he still wears one. i don't like helmet hair. booo hooo hooo. ;D yes it's a personal choice, and it's also one of the many laws you must obey on a daily basis. riding/driving is a privledge not a right. really don't want to wear one, don't, it's called civil disobiedience, just pay the fine. i now turn over the soap box. next. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by Reelthing on 12/06/06 at 06:16:03 not required here and I'll make a few "beer runs" (about half a mile) without but in general there are just to many flying objects, bugs, rocks and otherwise to not wear one very much - but we don't need no stinking nanny laws that require them. Next..... |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by steelwolf on 12/06/06 at 15:51:49 Sluggo, we love you man. Helmets are required here and that's fine by me. I where my FF everywhere I go. Myrtle Beach SC. dead of summer and still got on my lid. This face is just too pretty to have gravel and grass sticking out of it. ;D Besides, if I run from the LEOs I can ditch the lid with the bike and walk home unknown. ;) |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by georgekathe on 12/06/06 at 22:47:59 surprised such a contentious subject as helmet laws could have been allowed to crop up on here (not saying there is censorship, but it is a thorny argument to many). I don't like unecessary laws, laws for their own sake nor most laws for how they can curtail our ability to live our lives as we chose them. however, just as with seatbelts, I believe helmets do save injury and people should wear them too, if only, to take up less hospital beds and cause less of a drain on the health system. statistics have shown with regard to several states - fatal head injuries increased when helmet laws were repealed. as people chose not to wear them, I see no other than choice than to have helmet laws across all states & not just some. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by justin_o_guy on 12/07/06 at 04:35:02 I am not in favor of riding without a helmet. Makes me cringe when I see half naked riders. I am even less in favor of "Nanny State" laws. Riding a bike or driving a car is a right, not a priveledge.( I can hear the howls now, but that's correct & the Supreme Court has ruled no drivers license is required for travel, only for commercial use of the road.) How I choose to engage in free travel is my business. Big brother watching over me as I go about my business is not necessary. I choose to wear a helmet. In a car I geberally choose to wear a seat belt. That is a law that needs repealed. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by phasender on 12/07/06 at 16:15:03 Well, I've only been riding for a year, but I'll put my two cents in. I like riding without a helmet in the summer time. It feels great, and there's not helmet laws here, though I wear goggles to keep the dust/stones out of my eyes. I like having the choice of whether or not to wear a helmet, but I also believe we Should have mandatory helmet laws. Not trying to knock all the female bikers out there (well, maybe, in a manner of speaking), but motorcycle riding is a very masculine thing. It's lifestyle where, no matter what laws you have, someone is always going to be more daring and more free, or just look more daring and more free by riding faster, and harder, and without a helmet. Because men are idiots (yes, me too), without helmet laws, there's going to be a lot of guys on the street not wearing helmets, not because of a lifestyle choice, or because they can't hear, but because they're idiots, like me. On the other hand, if you have helmet laws, then everyone bitches and moans about it, and riding is a little bit less fun, but people like me are forced to wear helmets and there's fewer dead bikers. There'll still be people riding without, but at least more people will be safer. That's my two cents. Oh, and I asked this noob question before, but is there any benefit to filling my savage with high octane? |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by barry68v10 on 12/07/06 at 18:29:05 no. in fact, there's only increased expense. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by barry68v10 on 12/07/06 at 18:54:37 And as for the oil debate...in general I'll take a bye, but I'll throw this in. I ran Amsoil 10-30 in my 1-ton van. 60,000 miles without an oil change. The only reason I changed it was to swap out the plenum plate for an aluminum vs. steel. Had a professional mechanic (buddy) help me out, and when he saw how squeeky clean the engine was, he asked if it was new. I told him it had 103,000 miles at the time and went with the same oil since about 40000. Since he knows me personally he knew I wasn't pulling his leg. Bottom line: he wanted to switch to Amsoil. That's why I run it in EVERYTHING. (Wanted to leave the helmet law debate ;D) next... |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by sluggo on 12/07/06 at 19:33:49 phasender wrote:
i believe the last time this was debated the overall concensus was that save the pennies and use them for a donut, then of course that opened a whole other can of worms of "which is the best donut" i like choc. old fashioned, sombody liked the orange frosting thingy's. ect.. 8) 8) 8) all because "you don't have to be hungry to eat a donut" 8) |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by steelwolf on 12/07/06 at 19:45:12 Chocolate covered cream filled please, and a large glass of milk. Not that 2% crap either. Oh wait, This isn't Sluggos table. No wonder Alice couldn't hear me. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by Reelthing on 12/08/06 at 05:37:31 I'll take an 2 old fashion donuts but only cooked in the proper oil sounds like some of it has been outlawed and fill 'er up with premium please - it's the heat here not the compression |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by Savage Librarian on 12/08/06 at 08:56:10 Gotta love how threads wander away in their own direction. From oil to helmets to gas to donuts... It's good to be a part of all this. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by phasender on 12/08/06 at 09:17:20 The thread ACTUALLY went to donuts... wow. To add cheapo gasoline to the fire, I'll ask... aren't krispy kreme donuts just way too sweet? Oh, and do fuel injector/carb cleaner gas additives do anything? |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by smokey02 on 12/08/06 at 10:15:14 Yes, find some Seafoam and use one ounce per gallon. Hit the search button and put in 'seaform' to see some comments about it. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by Steve530 on 12/08/06 at 20:49:33 Sorry I almost missed this thread. I guess I'll get to weigh in on several topics. Dino oil is fine if you change it enough. If you go with synthetic, stay away from the ones that are "fuel saving". Yes, wear a helmet if you think your head is important. The only problem I have with people not wearing helmets is the increased medical expenses that society pays for people with head injuries. Maybe there should be a requirement for accident insurance or proof of financial responsibility if you choose not to wear a helmet. Maybe I'm just getting stingy in my old age, but I don't want to pay for other people's medical costs because they want the freedom to ride without a helmet. BTW, that's why I haven't joined the AMA. I don't think it's rational to give money to an organization to lobby for the repeal of helmet laws when they know the result is increased severe head injuries. I use premium gas because it doesn't have ethanol in it in this market. I will use regular gas if I know it has not ethanol. Besides I'm way too fat to need any more donuts. But while we're on that subject, Krispy Kreme donuts are not too sweet. If you want a non-sweet donut, get a bagel. So what kind of oil do you think you should use to fry donuts in, dino or synthetic? next... Steve |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by steelwolf on 12/08/06 at 22:11:44 phasender wrote:
Blasphemy |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by phasender on 12/08/06 at 23:53:03 I know chocolate's supposed to be bad for dogs. Ethanol is bad for my pet savage? And you don't consider Dunkin Donuts to be vastly superior to Krispy Kreme? |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by steelwolf on 12/09/06 at 06:28:04 I happen to like Dunkin Doughnuts as well but to say that Krispy Kream is "too sweet" is like saying that you have too much money. Kramer from Sienfeld "Well that's just crazy talk!" Homer Simpson "I never met a doughnut I didn't like." "Mmmmmm.....Doughnuts..." There is no such thing as a bad doughnut, only bad doughnut makers. ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by azjay on 12/09/06 at 07:32:28 if your donut is too sweet, drink your coffee black, it ressembles dino oil, which is my preference. helmet usage is like a candybar, sometimes i do sometimes i dont. fatalaties dont occupy hospital beds. |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by PerrydaSavage on 12/09/06 at 08:01:35 No choice but to wear a Lid here ... it's the law ... and even if it weren't, I'd still wear one anyway ... Not fussy on doughnuts ... do have an occasional Boston Creme though ... in honor of my fave hockey team, the Boston Bruins! As far as oil goes, I've been running Suzuki brand 10W-40 dino-juice motorcycle oil since I bought my Savage in '03, but would like to try synth, but am concerned about clutch slippage ... any specific recommendations (brand and weight)? Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Oil type??? Post by Reelthing on 12/09/06 at 09:23:40 mobil 1 10w-40 mx4t would work well - looks like they changed the name http://mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Motorcycle_Oil_FAQs.aspx#FAQs1 the regular glazed tim horton donuts in your neck of the woods was pretty good I recall |
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