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Title: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by cigaro on 01/16/06 at 11:17:25 Besides drilling holes or taking out a baffle, has anyone tried adapting or customizing the stock muffer? I like the look of my stock muffler, just wondered if there was anything that could be done to it? And what is there in a Harley muffler that makes it better? |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by SeeAPierce on 01/16/06 at 20:05:09 A stock Harley muffler allows more air flow than the stock Savage muffler. This creates a deeper slightly louder sound and allows for more horsepower when done with the proper re-jet. I didn't try to drill the stock muffler because I didn't like the looks, but if you dig the stock muffler, I'm sure somebody has experience with drilling it out... |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by sluggo on 01/16/06 at 20:10:31 the best stock mod i've read it the Hartman Mod. next best is the steel rod mod. take a piece of rebar, insert into small hole, blast away with a sledge, it will take a few wacks. i guess the key to your statement is "if you like the looks", few do. |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by torque on 01/17/06 at 08:11:12 cigaro wrote:
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by DavidV on 01/17/06 at 09:18:59 The best part about the Harley muffler is that it's pretty cheap, and a few pounds lighter. Installing one is a quick & easy mod. |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by slavy on 01/18/06 at 13:06:50 The stock HD muffler is smaller, lighter, the quality of the item is WAY better than the tin can that Suzuki made /material, manufacturing and the chrome/. If You like the looks of the original, go with the mentioned above mod. Gutting the stock Suz. item just makes it to sound like sh1t. |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by simplyput2600 on 01/18/06 at 15:34:21 how do you go about putting a harley muffler on a Savage. and then do you have to rejet. lets say i put a sportster muffler on |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by SeeAPierce on 01/18/06 at 18:08:40 simplyput2600 wrote:
If you search on this topic, you'll find a bunch of information. Some just bolt it right up to the header and create a bracket to the stock mounting. Others get a 6-8" tailpipe adapter bent at 10 degrees or so to make sure the sportster muff doesn't blow gak at the rear brakes - that's what I did. I (so far) am at a 152.5 main and stock pilot. Generally "yes" you have to re-jet if you want to run safe and smooth... |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by theikeman on 01/19/06 at 07:35:32 Do yourself a huge favor and lose the stock muffler. It is ugly, sounds ugly, it's constrictive and heavy to boot. Get yourself a Harley Dyna muffler and be amazed ... Ike (Shameless plug) I do sell dyna mufflers ;D |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by rokrover on 01/19/06 at 07:57:45 I agree..... so I went down to the local Harley dealer where they supposedly have a bin full of removed stock mufflers they will almost give away as most HD buyers seem to opt for the Screaming Eagle upgrade. New parts they only sell in pairs. When I asked to see the "Dyna" muffler the parts guy asked which one, claiming there are hundreds of variants out there for the Dyna Glide. So indeed, which one - what's the part number that will bolt right on to the existing rubber bushings without drilling, bending and fabricating, other than using the reducer sleeve to fit 1.75" on 1.5"? |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by Steve530 on 01/19/06 at 19:56:01 I put a Dyna muffler on. The HD dealer did not give it away, but it was pretty cheap. Mine is 65747-94. The 94 is the model year, as I understand it. The muffler has a mounting bracket that is about 1 1/2 " wide by 4 1/2 long. It stands off the muffler about a 1/4 inch.It has a slot cut for most of the length for the mounting bolts. I went to a muffler shop and had them make a pipe to fit inside the muffler and over the stock ehaust pipe. I made sure it was long enough to give a little room for adjustment fore and aft. I mounted the muffler with two 5/16" x2 " (IIRC, not sure about the length) carriage bolts. The bolt heads fit into a wider round place in the slotted mounting bracket. the square shoulders of the 5/16" carriage bolts are exactly the size of the slot. The 5/16" bolts also fit the stock rubber mounts which are fit for the 8 mm studs on the stock muffler. Since I had the short custom adapter pipe, I was able to mount the muffler almost in the stock location. That gave me two very secure connections between the Dyna muffler mounting bracket and the stock Savage "muffler stay" bracket. If you use the exhaust reducing sleeve, I don't think that you would be able to use both mounting holes because the muffler would be too far forward, but one bolt would probably be enough. Steve |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by rokrover on 01/20/06 at 07:42:51 Thanks Steve, great information. Seems more robust than using the stock Sportster muff, pounding its bracket round and drilling the mounting bracket arm for one (bent) carriage bolt. I'll update when I get around to this mod. |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by SeeAPierce on 01/20/06 at 08:35:05 Steve's Dyna muffler installation sounds awesome! But just so's ya know...my Sportster installation (and many others on the list) is ROCK solid. I did drill a new hole into the stock bracket, but then installed a bushing and through bolted to the sportsters stock muffler mounting position. Yes, I did field modify the muffler bracket to bend about 30 degrees so that I could have a nice tight installation. But neither of these details sacrifices the structural integrity of the mounting. It looks, sounds and runs great and was dirt cheap...It's all about choices. That's the great thing about this bike is there are so many ways to go and so many people to help! |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by cigaro on 01/20/06 at 13:36:11 Well, I'm alone here, apparently in liking the look of the '04 stock Suzuki muffler, which has an enlarged bell, or flare at the end of the muffler that you see in new sport bikes and euro street bikes, and makes visual design sense. At any rate, I did buy an unused Sportster muffler a while ago but I'm not really clear what I would have to ask a muffler shop to bend, etc., to make this fit onto the Savage. Nor am I really clear about what extra parts I need to make it work with the Savage, if I take the stock one off. I do have the part number for the small Harley heat shield, too. But from what I understand, I will also need to rejet, which is something I'm not really equipped to do at this point. |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by BS37066 on 01/20/06 at 14:02:46 All you need is two screwdrivers to re-jet: a phillips and a slotted. Best $3.50 I ever spent. (Well, maybe that last part is an exaggeration.) cigaro wrote:
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by Steve530 on 01/20/06 at 14:38:08 SeeAPierce wrote:
I'm sure your Sportster muffler is rock solid. I chose the Dyna muffler because all the Sportster muffler take-offs that the Harley dealer had were for the newer Sportster (2003+, I think). Those have a crossover pipe fitted that fits into the second muffler. I didn't want to try to figure out a way to plug the crossover pipe. The Dyna mufflers look just like the Sportster mufflers, but have the different mounting bracket. I figured I could make it work and was suprised how easy it was. It only took one trip to the hardware store. :) Steve |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by r80rt on 01/20/06 at 14:40:33 I took the Stock muffler off and drilled the baffles from the INLET end, got a deeper sound and a little louder. it sounded much better to me., but now I'm running a Dyna Glide muffler very solidly mounted I might add. ;) |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by Steve530 on 01/20/06 at 15:13:05 cigaro wrote:
Check the thread in the tech section for good instructions about fitting the Sportster muffler. Once you take it off, it's clear what need to be done. As a matter of fact the hardest part is finding a shop that will fool with it. I got a new head to exhaust gasket. Removed the stock muffler and mounted the HD muffler. I measure the gap between the pipes, and took the HD muffler and the exhaust pipe to the muffler shop. I just told them I wanted a pipe to fit over the exhaust and into the muffler when they are spaced that far apart. They cut a stock pipe to length and expanded one end. They charged me $5. I bought a stock HD clamp for the muffler and used a U clamp for the other. The biggest problem in rejetting is getting the screws out of the carb body. They strip easily. I ended up using a pair of needle nose Vice-grips to remove the screws. I replaced teh screws with allen cap screws. Check the "Carb Specs" thread in the tech section. The main jet just screws out. Screw the larger one in and button it back up and you're done. Steve |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by Ed_L. on 01/20/06 at 16:20:49 A small pair of channel locks worked well on the screws when I rejetted and did the white spacer mod, it is easier if you take a small file and flatten the sides of the head of the screw. I ended up needing to do that anyway cause two of the screw heads rounded off from the pliers. I'm using a sporty muffler off of a '94 Harley and had the adapter made at a local muffler shop for $10.00. The muffler I'm using is the one without all the printing about the EPA noise crap on it. The rear mount depends on how complicated you want to get, a piece of flatstock bolted to the muffler and stock mounting point on the bike should work fine. It beats doing the Hartman mod on the stock muffler which has poor quality chrome and weighs more. I'm surprised that sportbike mufflers haven't been adapted to a Savage yet, must be that mounting them is more difficult than the cruiser design mufflers. |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by SeeAPierce on 01/20/06 at 16:39:36 Steve530 wrote:
Only one trip to the hardware store?!?! i am not worthy i am not worthy i am not worthy ;D ;D I can't replace my shoelaces without two or three trips! |
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Title: Re: Adapting the Stock Muffler? Post by Ed_L. on 01/20/06 at 17:22:32 I had the same problem with my shoelaces, ended up buying slip on shoes with velcro. HeHeHeHe ;D |
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