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Title: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by cigaro on 01/10/06 at 12:22:02 I realized the other day after doing my seat mod, which did help a lot, that my some of the back pain I get from riding may be due to the stock suzuki shocks. Consequently, I'm now looking into the Progressive 412s. Which are the model numbers and sizes most of you are using? How involved is the installation? |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Savage_Rob on 01/10/06 at 12:50:28 If you use Progressive's Application Finder for the Intruder 800, the shocks will fit the Savage. I am using the heavy duty 12.5" set and love them. However, they do increase the height significantly. If you want to maintain a heaight closer to the originals, I'd go with the 11's or 11.5's. I doubt there's really a lot of difference between the standard and heavy duty versions for the most part. I'm 200 lbs, so I opted for the heavy duty just on principle. Swapping them out is probably the second easiest upgrade I've done on the Savage. The easiest was the SuperBrace and the third easiest was changing the headlight bulb to a xenon. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by cigaro on 01/10/06 at 13:22:15 Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for the help, Rob. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Steve530 on 01/10/06 at 16:05:58 ROb, Since you raised the rear with taller shocks, did you notice and change in handling? I could use a higher saet, but I've heard that it might negatively affect handling. Steve |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SAMM on 01/10/06 at 16:30:55 Cigaro...I put 11.5 shocks on my savage as the original were 10.5 in. 1 inch in longer shock will raise the rear fender up 2 inches keep that is mind...I do like the ride ( smooother) I bought a set of take off Harley sportster shocks for $20 and removed the mounting gromets. Installed the Savage mounting rubber gromets, as the harleys have smaller mounting holes.. New progressive shocks are the way to go but I am to cheap to pay what thay ask for a set !! Ouch :) |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Steve530 on 01/10/06 at 16:46:09 SAAM, Why would shocks that are an inch longer raise the rear fender (and the rest of the bike I assume) two inches? Steve |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SAMM on 01/10/06 at 16:47:48 Its the angle of the shock to swing arm..... |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SAMM on 01/10/06 at 16:51:15 Steve..I just sent you an email via suzukisavage.com |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Steve530 on 01/10/06 at 16:52:29 Hmm, never thought about that. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by red2k1 on 01/10/06 at 16:52:43 Quote:
I swaped out to Progressive Shocks #412-4207C+ which are 12.5' center to center. It was a 40 minute job including finding the jack and getting set up. Actually, one should be able to change the shocks out in about 25 minutes -- I just fiddled around with other things on the bike. It is my opinion that 12.5' shocks are the tallest that work well. In fact, if I did it over again I would not use anything taller than 12" even though some have used 14". |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Steve530 on 01/10/06 at 16:58:04 SAMM, I replied, Thanks. Steve |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SAMM on 01/10/06 at 17:04:00 Sending a pic now..Let me know what you think |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SAMM on 01/10/06 at 17:09:54 I have dial up service so sending a pic is a little slow |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Steve530 on 01/10/06 at 17:19:26 Got it, thanks. Sent another message just now. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by cigaro on 01/10/06 at 19:24:54 So then an 11" or 11.5" will work fine and be a pretty similar match to the stock Suzuki ones? Or if you get a slightly longer one, say a 12", does that raise the bike height enough to be noticeable when riding? Meaning, do you feel that you get an extra inch in stretch? And do the lengths make any difference in absorption? I weigh 172. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SAMM on 01/10/06 at 20:09:25 I personaly like the 11.5 It does have an improved ride and is more comfortable at a stop light sitting a little higher ( I am 5'10") tall...Any Higher makes the rear fender to tire clearence look a little excess...Just my opinion.... |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Savage_Rob on 01/10/06 at 22:22:36 I'm using the heavy duty 12.5" (412-4214C+) and they definitely raise the seat at least 4". It feels different but I don't think it really handles much differently. At least not in any adverse way that I've noticed. The riding position is just altered slightly. Here's a "before" and "after"... http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-98-bikepics-497272.jpg |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SirWilhelm on 01/11/06 at 12:50:59 Rob Do the new shocks throw you more forward on the seat. That looks like what I need to do for my S40. I sit at the hump, even with the mod to the seat, and still feel like I am rolled towards the tank versus sitting comfortably. The longer shock change might be better than rebuilding the seat surface to get it flatter. The dual sport have the clearance under the fender and rear tire. Did it change the drive belt or rear brake lenths/tightness? I guess it shouldn't as you just raise the support at the fulcrum under the seat. Why doesn't Susuki think of that? Us taller folk have trouble sitting way down, and not having the back start hurting. Now to look for 12.5" heavy duty shocks. Thanks for photo. Bill San Angelo |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SirWilhelm on 01/11/06 at 12:52:26 Rob, how about a pic of the fork brace? I see the ads and it looks good, but.... Bill San Angelo |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by cigaro on 01/11/06 at 12:58:24 I don't know. To me it looks like the 12.5, 4 inch height increase, would raise you up but actually push you farther forward toward the tank. The angle of the shock is raising the seat in that vector. That's what I tried to alleviate with the seat mod, the sliding toward the tank. Is that the case Rob? |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Savage_Rob on 01/11/06 at 13:11:06 cigaro wrote:
I'm sure it does cant forward slightly more but it's the entire bike, tank included... not just the seat. I don't notice it. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by lancer on 01/11/06 at 17:29:10 I have 12.5" Progressive 418 shocks on mine and I love the extra travel and the quicker steering with the decrease in steering angle. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SirWilhelm on 01/12/06 at 06:11:48 SAMM wrote:
SAMM Did you get the heavy duty version Progressive (412-4236C) or the standard one? I'm thinking you might be right on the length/and height changes. Ah, another search of the web for elusive shocks/springs, nothing I love to do more than seaching thru dead end dealer pages. We're not large enough to have an HD dealer, so left over parts from mods to other bikes are few and far between. There is a huge HD store in North San Antonio, but that 250miles there. I'll look to see if they have a website. Thanks for input. Bill in San Angelo, TX |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Reelthing on 01/12/06 at 07:26:43 SirWilhelm wrote:
Here's a fine upstanding picture and discussion http://www.mccserv.com/savage/dscf0016.jpg http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1105496870;start=12#12 |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Reelthing on 01/12/06 at 08:02:41 Both of these threads dig into the shock subject pretty far ..... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1132679622;start=21#21 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1126562337;start=25#22 |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SirWilhelm on 01/22/06 at 18:05:55 Okay, I broke down and have ordered a pair of the Progressive 412-4037C shocks. ??? So Savage Rob---the questions are: How hard was it to get the old ones off, what was used to get/keep the bike upright? And these should look just like the OEM ones but be better quality, and just a bit taller, so the stealership shouldn't get bent when I go in for next tune up and the seat is higher, and the motor has a more forward tilt? Do I need something to lift the frame with to get them on? I have the tools but not the real shop stuff, like lift hoist, or frame raiser or ceiling or cross beam supports, etc. Would I be better to take these to a local shop and ask for help, or try to do it myself? I am much more comfortable with the 12v side than the hard mechanical side. Bill in San Angelo, TX |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Reelthing on 01/22/06 at 18:12:36 412-4037c? wow those have a very heavy spring rate - can you still change the model? the 4037c is 11" 230/275lb sae bushing shock - you could order the metric bushings I'm told for about $10 to make them bolt up - but it looks to me like these will be very close to solid struts on our light weight ls650 - the 4247c is the metric version of that shock. bet you'd get a better ride from 4233c(11" 115/155lb) fairly stiff for this weight bike or the 4236c (11.5" 125/170lb) |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by cigaro on 01/22/06 at 20:00:59 Reel Thing, what do you recommend for me, then? I'm 171 pounds. Here are the models from the Progressive site. 4233 C, 4201C or the 4236C? I'm open to either 11 inch or 11.5. Standard 11" : 412-4233C Standard 11.5" : 412-4201C Standard 12" : 412-4228C Standard 12.5" : 412-4207C+ Heavy Duty 11.5" : 412-4236C |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Reelthing on 01/22/06 at 20:14:14 I'd bet the 4233c (115/155lb) is perfect unless your an old gezzer like me and want the softer ride of the 4232c (90/130lb) |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SirWilhelm on 01/23/06 at 19:27:19 I chose those as I am not a light weight, and while I know that if you double the weight they work with, I know that if I add pack, loaded, and other stuff, my weight will be over 300lbs. The others seem to go to 155 tops (that 310, and I think I would bottom out if I get fully loaded, 2-up, or me, pack and saddle bags). If I am way off, let me know and will get with the seller and see if we can swap for a lighter version. They have a bunch on eBay. I want a softer but responsive ride, not one that bounces or that beats me to death on normal streets. Bill |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Reelthing on 01/24/06 at 02:55:01 Softest 11" : 412-4232c 90/130lb Standard 11" : 412-4233C 115/155lb Heavy Duty 11.5" : 412-4236C 125/170lb Super Duty 11" : 412-4247c 230/275lb it's a cumulative rating. on the 4233c - 115/155lb shocks 2x as said because we have 2 shocks - it takes 230lbs for the first inch an additional 310lbs for the 2nd inch or a total of 540 lbs to get the 2nd inch - on the 4236c 125/170lb it's 250lbs for 1 inch plus 340lb or 790lbs for the 2 inch, on the 4247c (or 4037c HD) it takes 460lbs for inch 1 and another 550lbs for the 2nd total of 1010lbs for full compression - with a stock rear tire rated for max load 675lb seems to me it would blow out before these babies would bottom out ;) Given the heavy load your thinking about the 4236c looks to be the best fit but I do not see a 11" or 11.5" SAE Harley shock listed at that spring rate here - the 412-42xx have metric bushings that fit the savage the 412-40xx have SAE bushings that fit harleys - that can be made to work with the bushing kit some have ordered from progressive. http://www.progressivesuspension.com/pdfs/7100-105.pdf -edit update for the name of the pdf- |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Hammy211 on 02/01/06 at 20:48:49 Where or how are you able to determine the spring rates for these various shocks? |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Reelthing on 02/01/06 at 20:59:51 The above link is to a pdf on the progressive site |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Hammy211 on 02/02/06 at 03:55:14 OK, thanks. So with a lighter spring there is obviously easier compression. With the progressives is the dampening good enough to avoid a pogo effect with a lighter spring? Lancer, what are the ride qualities of the 418 that you like better. You said you leave them on their softest setting and that you get lots of movement. Is it at all pogo like? |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Ed Darling on 02/06/06 at 06:32:20 Does the longer shock effect the tension in the drive belt in any way, it seems to me that this would need to be checked ????? |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by lancer on 02/06/06 at 08:10:49 Hammy211 wrote:
I change my shock spring preload setting depending on the ride I am doing. If it is an easy cruise with the club guys then I go with the soft setting, or if on a fun/hard ride I crank in a firmer setting...usually the 3rd setting (middle)...for better control under stress. So far, the rebound setting has remained on the middle setting. I need to learn more about this adjustment before I start playing with it. This 418 Progressive shock is an excellent piece of work. THERE IS NO POGO AFFECT WITH THESE SHOCKS WHATSOEVER. The 418's are soft and firm at the same time, the response is precise and controlled. When riding you don't even think about the shocks, they work so well you forget about the shocks completely. When you hit a bump there is no jarring the spine. You know you hit something but it is all controlled and absorbed. Like when you ride in a compact car and then jump into a luxury car, you know when you encounter road hazards but they do not affect you inside the better car. If you want a QUALITY RIDE in comfort and performance, spend the money. I got mine on ebay for $125, less than 1000 miles on them, and they retail for about $479. It took almost 6 months of watching and bidding to get that kind of deal but the time and effort finally paid off for me. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Savage_Rob on 02/06/06 at 10:09:21 So far as the installation went, it was a piece of cake. I used the homemade lift/stand you'll find in the Tech section and I used a broom handle to leverage slightly to get the first one on. It really was probably the easiest upgrade I've done to the bike so far... except for the Superbrace. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SirWilhelm on 03/02/06 at 15:17:49 ;D Two weeks out and 300 miles later,and the change from oem to the progressives was worth it. I have hit all the pot holes, bumpy streets, rail road tracks etc that I had been beaten with using the Suzuki shocks and the Progressive are outstanding. Following the advice of the sages here, I built the 2x8 prop/floor jack, and installed the 412-4200 shocks. And then set them at the third notch (I'm about 240, 5'11") and they are just right. Soft but responsive. And the bike seems to handle better, and the raise of the seat (about 1.5 to 2 inches) was perfect for my height. With the mod I had already made to raise the front of the seat it is very comfortable to ride now. It's not as smooth as a Lincoln or Mercedes, but I am not riding a two wheeled version. Next addition is the fork brace. I still see the wobble when hitting the pavement snakes. And our local street repair and the state folk really like to slop long lines of tar on cracks in the pavement. Savage Rob, thanks! Bill in West Texas :) |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Savage_Rob on 03/02/06 at 18:02:52 I don't know about the versions you put on; they're closer to the stock length... but the 12.5" Progressives I put on have caused me to put a 2x4 along one edge of the lift/stand and lag-bolt it in place. Otherwise the lift is too short now to do much good. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by SirWilhelm on 03/02/06 at 21:06:47 The 4200 raised the rear high enough that the 2x8 was just the right height. (they are the 11.5 inch gromet to gromet ones). After installing the new shocks, if I wanted to prop the bike up again, I also will have to add something (2x4 or 2x6) to one side of the floor stand. Next task is to add the noise maker so that I remember to turn the turn signals off, and when it gets here install the superbrace and the fork protectors. Tomorow I am planning to see if I can get the inexpensive bags (the ones I got that were too wide that were already marked Savage) to fit with the new shocks and the bag supports. If they come close then I will go find a leather worker/saddle/boot maker to make and attach a sling between the bags. Then we go for longer rides in the wilds of Central Texas. Gassed up today, and it was all in town riding at 50.4mpg. And that has been from 24F mornings to 65F mornings. Cheers Bill |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by nateordie on 03/21/13 at 13:00:25 Hey everyone I'm new to the forum and am loving the advice from everyone. I'm looking to get some new rear shocks for my 04 savage some where in the height range of 12-13 inches but I don't want to pay an arm and a leg to do it. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find some? Thanks |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by rfw2003 on 03/21/13 at 13:09:26 The progressive 412 series for the metric bikes are all I can recommend. and they are well worth the $300 price tag. Depending on your weight and if you intend to ride 1up or 2up will determine which spring rate you need. The Progressive brand for the metric bikes come with the necessary bushings that will make them a bolt on fit to the savage. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by nateordie on 03/21/13 at 13:35:20 4A5E4F0A08080B380 wrote:
Thanks I'll look into them |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by verslagen1 on 03/21/13 at 13:55:30 I think it's the same shock as used on the VS800 |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by nateordie on 03/21/13 at 15:48:10 4D5E4948575A5C5E550A3B0 wrote:
nice find! :) |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by wearsabrowncoat on 04/07/13 at 18:31:19 Been looking at some used shocks on fleabay. The vs800, intruder, s50 are all the same bike? That's the shock I should be looking for if the progressive is too spendy? |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by Serowbot on 04/07/13 at 18:37:18 Mine is a vs800 Intruder... adds about 2" travel... ... bolts right on,.. but, if you keep the stock belt guard, you'll have to trim just a bit on it... Hunt around the RSD... I just posted some pics in somebodies thread... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by rfw2003 on 04/07/13 at 19:15:35 yup the VS800 in the 11" or 12" are the ones you want. on the 11" version you won't have to do anyu mods at all, to the belt guards and they still provide a little extra travel. I'll dig out my box over the next day or 2 to get the part number for the 11" one that I got. They are great on setting 3 for me when I rid 2up and I'm 225lbs with the passenger at around 140lbs. I drop the setting down to 1 or 2 when I'm riding solo, In retro spec though I wish I would have went with the 12" version so I wouldn't have had to change out the bolts on the fender side rails to button head bolts as I still reach close to full compression on some roads here in some of the E. TX roads. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by wearsabrowncoat on 04/07/13 at 19:25:26 Thanks guys. Wealth of information here. |
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Title: Re: Recommended Progressive Shock for LS650 Post by S Rider on 09/30/20 at 09:00:34 Great! 412-4232C is out of stock for at least a month. |
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