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Title: Perplexed Post by sidekick on 09/07/05 at 12:38:34 OK folks, here's my preplexion (is that a real word?) ::) 1997 Savage - 14K / price around 2K vs 1999 VS1400 Intruder - 10K / price 3K Which would you choose and why? Thanks in advance for your participation |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by Cindi Knox on 09/07/05 at 12:42:23 The Intruder. 1) I already have 1 1997 Savage (with twice as many miles (and I haven't been riding in the last 4 years)) 2) The Savage is small (in ergonomics and displacement) and I need a larger touring bike 3) I think I have enough experience to handle the larger bike without killing myself |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by torque on 09/07/05 at 12:48:22 i would go with the intruder myself,thats the right price for it too.its a much better bike than the savage and a bunch more power,better milege too.one big up is u can sell it for alot more cash if need be.if u do any highway travel the intruder is a must. the savage is a great bike but with 14k miles its not worth it. If it had about 7k miles on it it be a good buy. My opinion :-/ |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by Reelthing on 09/07/05 at 12:48:35 I guess it all depends on what you want - but if both of these are in fine cond - the Intruder is priced below KBB.com retail a good bit (about a grand) and the savage is dead on it |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by mikedasavage on 09/07/05 at 12:52:43 i'd go with the intruder but i dont have 2k or 3k so i dont get either 8) anyway i'd have to guess 1) the diff between 2k and 3k is 1k thats a lot 2) most people in here are begginers they, they want something to learn on. A 1400 is "big and scary" a 650 is small and great starter. Most people are too scared to even start on a 650 much less a 1400. Its like most people refer to POT. Its an entry level drug. usually pretty easy to get. Gets out of the system quick. Some think its harmless not very addictive etc...... They say its the entry level drug to others (while i think this is crap the theory applies). some will move on to bigger drugs. other will just stick to pot for ever some wont like it and quit. Some will buy bigger bikes. Some will ride the savage forever. A few wont like it and quit riding. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by RadarORiley on 09/07/05 at 15:08:16 Personally, I'd go with the savage. Not because of price or miles, but because I can almost touch the ground on it and if I dump it, I can pick it up. I sold a V-Star to buy my Savage. Also bought my daughter one. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by PerrydaSavage on 09/07/05 at 15:28:07 That VS1400 sounds like a good deal for a larger displacement motorcycle ... 'round here the 1400 'Truder is a fave amongst D.I.Y. customizers ... have seen a few really tasty home-grown 1400 Choppers in the fast few months. BTW ... curious ... anyone know what the Canadian Blue Book value of a mint '03 LS650 (4500kms) might be? |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by Paladin on 09/07/05 at 17:45:16 OT -- perplex comes to us from the Latin perplexus, from per- thoroughly + plexus involved. You are talking about which bike to get involved with and thus you are pre- prior + plexus involved. The difference between a 'real' word and a recently coined word is just a matter of time and acceptance. With regard to the bikes. I demand lightweight. The Savage is 180 pounds lighter than the 1400 Intruder. I have no need for more speed/power than what Thumper provides. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by threezukes on 09/07/05 at 17:57:15 The Intruder sound like a real steal. Are you sure thats the correct price? |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by babbalou on 09/07/05 at 18:03:36 The Intruder. I like the Savage but that's a great price for a low mileage Intruder. If you're tall, you'll like the extra room. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by DavidV on 09/07/05 at 19:44:04 Sidekick - Where are you gonna ride? In-town, country roads or highways? And what's your skill level? New, or been at it awhile? Me personally, I'd go for the Intruder. I've already got a Savage. I'd keep it around for shorter trips and general entertainment. The Intruder would be my pick for longer trips. The Savage is not an ideal choice for serious distance cruising, although it can and is being done. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by SavageDude on 09/07/05 at 19:44:53 Paladin wrote:
Good grief :-/ I'm having a headache reading this ;D Here my 2 cents: It's all depend on the level of experience of the rider and how mechanical inclined that rider is. Experienced rider: Instruder Beginner: Savage Can do most stuff on the bike:Intruder(more work) or Savage(less) Don't want to get thou hand dirty:either I or S It's not just the cost of the bike that you have to consider but also the long run cost of maintaining it. Like Paladin often said K.I.S.S. Happy deciding; |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by Savage_Rob on 09/08/05 at 06:30:17 First, let me say I don't consider the Savage to be a "beginner's bike". I consider it a simple-to-maintain and lightweight bike. The Intruder is larger, heavier and more complex. I'd suggest the Savage for single-rider general riding, around-town commuting, etc. If you are over about 5' 10", you should try both out to see which is more comfortable. Depending on your proportions, the Intruder is likely to fit you better. If you plan on a lot of long-range rides, the Intruder might be a better choice due to increased power and more importantly - fuel capacity. However, the Savage is quite competent for long rides as long as you stop for fuel. Personally, I like to stop to stretch every now and again, so the range is fine with me. Now, if you plan on riding 2-up more than rarely, go with the Intruder. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by gandalph40 on 09/08/05 at 06:39:23 I've been riding a long time and love my Savage. But, faced with the same choice of bikes, I'd definitely choose the Intruder. The price/value ratio is just better; lower miles and only $1k more. If you've got the $3k to spend, you'll get better resale from the Intruder. Plus, the VS1400 is one sweet ride! It runs good, looks good, and sounds baaaad...It's air cooled for simplicity, (unlike the VS800 which is liquid-cooled), but it does have a drive-shaft which is good On the side of the Savage, though, it will likely get better gas mileage, if that's your motivation. It is lightweight and fun to ride. It's relatively easy to work on even for a novice. And, with the right mods, has all the power you'll ever want or need, even for highway riding. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by Savage_Rob on 09/08/05 at 06:59:57 I have to agree on the price-point with respect to mileage and resale value. The Intruder is a better deal if you have the extra $1K and the bike fits your needs... assuming they are both in good condition. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by gandalph40 on 09/08/05 at 07:47:55 Oh, and if you decide against the Intruder, let us know...SOMEONE will probably be interested...(like me, for instance) ;D Tom |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by sidekick on 09/08/05 at 09:39:08 OK folks......I'm totally out in left field ::) Went back and looked at the bike again and I made a mistake. It's not a 1400 but an 800. Sorry about the mis-information, but lets start over again. 800 or 650? Sorry! |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by Hammy211 on 09/08/05 at 09:47:38 I think I'd still take the intruder just because that's to much for a Savage with 14k. You could find a much newer lower mileage Savage for 2k or less. My Savage is a '97. I purchased it 2 years ago for 2k. It had less than 3000 miles on it. Included windshield, engine gaurd, gel seat and some factory upgrade package. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by torque on 09/08/05 at 10:36:31 still the intruder,its a newer bike,less miles,better engine more power,sounds better,and the 800 is about the same seat height as the savage.and its a v-twin so u wont vibrate bolts loose when u ride above 60. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by gandalph40 on 09/08/05 at 12:24:40 The Intruder's still a good deal (not a GREAT deal anymore, but good). I've been watching them on eBay and, if you're really patient and careful, you could get one for less than $3k, but it might be 1000 miles from you. So, to me the tradeoff is, you've got a nice bike for a nice price close-by. However, what I said before about liquid-cooling now comes into play. The VS800 WILL be more difficult to work on yourself. Not impossible, just more difficult. I might try to get a few hundred off the Intruder...maybe $2800? That's what it probably would sell for on eBay. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by WD on 09/08/05 at 18:49:10 I have both sitting in the driveway. The Savage gets better mileage, handles better, and is 1000% easier to maintain. Yearly service on an Intruder 800 is a day long process. Coolant change, oil change, 2 air filters, 2 carbs to synch, shaft to lubricate, differential to change the lube in... :-X They don't hold idle settings any better than the Savage. The shaft drive takes some getting used to. Tires cost 3 times what Savage tires do, as you NEED a 71H MINIMUM rear sidewall rating. Both have lousy brakes if you stick with stock pads/shoes. Both have too good of brakes if you swap to EBC or SBS pads/shoes. Both have horrible stock seats. Neither have good ergonomics (riding positions) for over 6 foot tall riders (the 800 is worse, centerset pegs). Taking all that into consideration, I'd buy the Savage, IF the price is dropped to real world levels. IF you haul a passenger over 4 foot tall, neither one has adequate seat/pegs/backrest (my wife has ridden on both p-pads, they are equally awful in her eyes). But, the 800 has a slight (very slight) edge. The savage will flat spank an 800 in town. And on the highway to about 4th gear. After that, the Intruder walks away and doesn't look back. The Intruder doesn't blow around as easily when crossing grated bridge decks or passing semis and RVs. Both are good bikes. NEITHER is a beginner bike. -WD 83 Yamaha XT550 96 Suzuki VS800 Intruder 98 Suzuki Savage custom 99 Kawasaki 800A Vulcan All in my driveway, only the 800s still run. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by sidekick on 09/08/05 at 19:56:26 All in my driveway, only the 800s still run. I have to ask, what happened to the savage. Both 800's still running and the 650 is dead in the wated. Dosen't really look good for the savage. Thanks for the info, appriciate the time and effort. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by WD on 09/09/05 at 01:48:43 Savage ran like a dream. It's torn down for a re-do after my stepson low speed dumped it. I should have said operable. The motor is almost bulletproof, I got it to 100+ miles per hour at least weekly for two years. Rode it as much as I could, loved the bike. But my stepson needed wheels, so I gave it to him. The XT is a project bike, nothing more. I bought a new battery for it, too lazy to put it in the chassis. Does it run/will it run? I don't know. Don't care, if I get it running, I'm likely going to give it away anyhow. Know a Boy Scout camp ranger who has more need of it than I do, his "driveway" is 30 miles of hardpan, potholes and washout. The 800 Intruder is Lisa's. I refuse to ride it, ever again. I thought my 1920 HD boardtracker was uncomfortable... I'm riding the wheels off my 800 Vulcan. Much easier on my back than the Savage, faster, seat is better padded, and saddlebags actually make sense on it. My Savage was a great "fun" bike for short trips. I was just too tall for it. If my stepson goes in the Coast Guard as planned, I'll stretch the Savage frame and ride it, a lot. He's my height (6'2"), the frame stretch would make it more enjoyable for him to ride it as well. Savage should be back on the road by Sunday afternoon. I'm between jobs, have some time and money to play since I got part of a settlement for a severe back injury (85% disability rating, permanent, expected to worsen as I age). I'm not fixing the tank dent until winter, he'll just have to live with it until then. The rest of the damage? Oh, about 2 hours worth of drill and rewire, and it will be good as new. And 20 minutes to hammer the right peg straight again. Kids... Take it from someone with both a thumper and a v-twin, you won't go wrong with a Savage, IF it fits YOU. If it is a simple matter of changing the bars to make it fit, do it. If the Intruder feels better, buy that. If you want a functional suspension and power to spare, buy the Savage and hit up Lancer. As for me, I'll probably pick up another Savage to play with. My Vulcan is a killer bike, but I miss 75+mpg in town on the Savage (the Intruder knocks down less than 40 by the way, the Vulcan around 50). -WD |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by WD on 09/09/05 at 01:54:17 In a nut shell, the Savage is the better bike. Regardless of price or condition. -WD |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by slavy on 09/09/05 at 08:59:15 There are 2 ways to look at the question - If we are talking what You can buy and sell and make money- The Intruder should sell for at least $3500 and the Savage You can buy slightly below $2000. If We are talking to ride the bike, especially with the higher gas prices- for a beginner the Savage is better choice /lower, lighter and enough get-up and go/. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by SuperflyTNT on 09/09/05 at 18:41:51 I'd go with the Savage. It's small, but it handles exceptionally well, and with a SuperBrace, Windshield, and bigger rear tire/shocks it is fun on the highway (between butt-puckering moments when ANYTHING passes you) I've been riding all my life and it's either a 61 Harley Sportster or a Savage. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by sidekick on 09/11/05 at 11:31:41 Thanks to everybody who offered info, appriciate the time and effort. I just had an offer I couldn't refuse, so I picked it up. 1983 850GL - 21K / $1200. Just had the carbs sync'd and new cables installed. Rode well and shifted smooth. Lots of power to boot. Needs a good cleaning but mech very sound. It's not a Savage or an Intruder, but it's still a Suzuki.... ;D |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by bobo383 on 09/12/05 at 04:21:01 $1200 is starting to get closer to my price range. Post a pic, will ya? Old bikes are cool. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by vroom1776 on 09/12/05 at 12:38:27 WD wrote:
WD, What makes you say that? Pretty light, easy to steer, not ridiculously powerful (like a sportbike), easy to maintain... |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by sidekick on 09/12/05 at 13:05:10 Post a Pic.........Will do first chance I get. I forgot about all the little standard stuff that came with the older bikes. The center stand - kind of difficult to get it up on it, but it sure comes in handy for working on the bike. The extra gauges - fuel and gear selector (nice little touches that only help). The seat is even more ergonomic, at least that's what the wife says. I would rather have an oil dip stick than a sight gauge though. |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by torque on 09/12/05 at 13:08:42 WD wrote:
???i hope not a moped!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by sidekick on 09/12/05 at 14:06:33 Here's the pic http://www.ihostphotos.com/pic.php?id=139235 |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by torque on 09/12/05 at 16:41:11 thats a sharpe looking bike!did u try a burnout yet? |
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Title: Re: Perplexed Post by threezukes on 09/13/05 at 05:26:55 Sidekick, Just curious, but do you drive a Sidekick? I use to drive one kind of miss it sometimes.. http://www.angelfire.com/trek/4x4gravel/start.html |
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