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Message started by Rogers35 on 05/10/05 at 23:25:39

Title: Starting issues, and yes..it sat for a long time.
Post by Rogers35 on 05/10/05 at 23:25:39

Short run down is as follows.

`86, sat for about 8 years in a clean garage. Drained the tank, cleaned the carb. All the hoses are good to go. Has spark at the plug, right size and type of plug. Getting fuel to the motor, has compression. Starter is cranking the engine..but its not catching.

Ive done this many times..bringing a dead bike back and to be honest Iam kind of stumped. Any ideas..thoughts on choke? Is there a compression valve or something.starting sequence?

Mike

Title: Re: Starting issues, and yes..it sat for a long ti
Post by WD on 05/10/05 at 23:55:16

We get this one alot at work...
1. Pull the tank, adjust the compression cable, pull the sparkplug and squirt in roughly 1/2 to 1 cc of raw gas.
2. Put bike back together.
3. Set the fuel ta on prime, wait 2 minutes, and twist the throttle, TWICE.
4. Cross your eyes, stick out your tongue, pray, and hit the starter. ;)

If it catches, set the fuel tap on run, adjust choke, adjust idle, go for a ride. Works about 80% of the time on older Japanese cruisers, dual sports, and dirt bikes.

If it doesn't catch, pull the carb, dismantle and clean ALL the orifices and passages with GOOD aerosol carb or contact cleaner. PJ1 or Berryman Chemtool are the best ones going right now. Odds are you still have a small piece of debris in the pilot jet circuit. Common to any older bike.
-WD

Odds are it is a problem with the decompression cable, lube, adjust, or replace if needed. If you don't have a maintenance book, get one. The specs are close enough to get you going again, then you can fine tune as needed by YOUR bike.

Title: Re: Starting issues, and yes..it sat for a long ti
Post by Rogers35 on 05/11/05 at 00:16:51

Ok, the compression cable on the upper left side of the motor on the head that goes below the center frame to that guato round thing on the right side? I could tell having never seen it that its some kind of auto purge valve thing.

1. whats it for, whats it do?
2. Whats correct adjust ment..I mean whats the quick down and dirty on how to adjust it? theres tension on it.

Just drives me nuts that it wants to start and its not. I tried the raw gas trick already.

Title: Re: Starting issues, and yes..it sat for a long ti
Post by WD on 05/11/05 at 01:55:23

The cable holds the exhaust valves slightly open so the piston can move up with less resistance. Too little cable tension= too high compression to start. Too much cable tenson= no compression, raw gas blows out the valves on the compression stroke.

As for adjusting it, I'll try and dig out my service manual. Haven't seen it since December...haven't had to use it since sometime in 2000. It's floating around here somewhere... ???
-WD

Title: Re: Starting issues, and yes..it sat for a long ti
Post by Rogers35 on 05/12/05 at 00:10:53

ok, backed the tension off a bit on the decompression cable. Pulled the carb and its clean. Was thinking maybe the jet is the wrong size? There was fuel in the float bowl.

Title: Re: Starting issues, and yes..it sat for a long ti
Post by Kropatchek on 05/12/05 at 03:00:03

Rogers35 wrote:

ok, backed the tension off a bit on the decompression cable. Pulled the carb and its clean. Was thinking maybe the jet is the wrong size? There was fuel in the float bowl.

There should be 3 to 5 mm play on the decompression cable. This with the piston in top dead center on the compression stroke.

Greets
Kropatchek ;D

Title: Re: Starting issues, and yes..it sat for a long ti
Post by bentwheel on 05/12/05 at 14:28:40

Kropatchek wrote:

There should be 3 to 5 mm play on the decompression cable. This with the piston in top dead center on the compression stroke.

Greets
Kropatchek ;D

Plus, keep in mind the play is checked at the solenoid and not the cable. The cable should be taut.

Title: Re: Starting issues, and yes..it sat for a long ti
Post by bentwheel on 05/12/05 at 15:38:30

Rogers35,
I doubt your de-compression cable is causing your no start problem. If you have fuel at the plug; compression and spark, then it will fire up. Try push starting it. Use full choke. BTW if you added slack to the cable without setting your engine to TDCC you will have messed up the de-compression set up. Several months ago I wrote a detailed easy to follow guide to this adjustment. Click the link below. It is one of the most misunderstood procedures for the Savage.

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