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Title: K&N air filter... Post by cain9580 on 04/18/05 at 22:05:18 I am getting the universal fit K&N air filter but I dont know the diameter size of the carburetor. Can anyone with the manual check it for me pls... This is the only thing I have to get before I get it running, and my ex wife threw out my Clymer manual when she threw me out =) |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by lancer on 04/19/05 at 21:07:14 Throwing out your bike manual? Man, there are some things that are just over the line, ya know? That is a cold cold thing to do. Sorry man. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by slavy on 04/19/05 at 22:45:14 You need a filter with an ID 57mm / 2 1/4 in / |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Savage_Rob on 04/20/05 at 05:55:54 I just got the direct K&N replacement for the stock filter in the airbox and am quite happy with it. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/20/05 at 09:57:32 diddo on the throw out manual thing that is cold >:( sounds to me like you need to date her best friend 8) |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by bobo383 on 04/20/05 at 16:40:22 Oklahoma_Mike wrote:
Maybe he already was ;D. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by cain9580 on 04/20/05 at 16:42:57 actually she left me while I was in Iraq...said I was never around and she needed some space lol women |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by bobo383 on 04/20/05 at 17:38:34 Dang, man I'm sorry. That sucks. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by bobo383 on 04/20/05 at 18:09:15 A friend got me this from New Orleans: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/bobo383/keepintouchex.jpg |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by shawn_b on 04/20/05 at 20:13:17 that might be to good for her lol 8) shawn |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 04/21/05 at 11:40:57 cain9580 wrote:
Maybe she was dating YOUR best friend... :o another reason to pull out the boys from Iraq and elsewhere... those back home are having LOTS of fun!!!! ;D watch your back... RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by sluggo on 04/21/05 at 14:39:22 Red_Wine wrote:
kinda reminds me of the early 70's and my time in the navy. "she's a west pac widder (widow), and everybody dider". i always found it intresting that the married guys on westpac went out with all the b-girls, yet thought their wifes at home were just sitting around knitting. well they did have something in their hand, just not knitting needles. :o now one more and i'm a god |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Savage_Rob on 04/21/05 at 16:37:01 No doubt about that Sluggo. I remember the EM club in Yokosuka being dead one day and, as soon as the Nimitz left the pier the place was filled with West-Pac Widows... almost all of 'em with a tan line where a ring should be. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Bluejeanz on 04/22/05 at 07:13:40 cain9580 wrote:
Whoa...that's just WRONG. My hubby was in Saudi for 9 months...hell, how in the world could I need more space than that!? Hey Cain, we aren't all like that...too bad for her And throwing out a man's MOM is just wrong...on so many levels. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/23/05 at 16:34:41 cain9580 wrote:
It's tuff to say but maybe your better off. I am just glad there are brave people all over who go out against danger everyday to allow the people of this country to live there lives in peace. God Bless our service men and women. We should be thanked everyday for what we do and the sacrifice we make, but most people go about their lives in a daze not giving a thought or prayer to the person 1,000 miles away dieing in the street for them. I will pray for you sir come home safe! God Bless you, Mike 8) |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/23/05 at 20:58:11 Sorry about going a little overboard there it just piss me off. >:( I do fell better though 8) |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by bobo383 on 04/23/05 at 21:00:13 Don't quit now. I'm with ya. Goin' a little overboard never hurt nobody -- or as BB King says "Ain't gonna be no sin". Been drinkin and wrenching all day anyway. Amazed I can type. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/23/05 at 21:13:42 diddo here to bobo got a lot of things done and screwed a few things up must have been that 6point beer I brought back from the NASCAR race in FT Worth last week. 8) |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by lancer on 04/24/05 at 21:48:47 I have been one of those across the big water in harms way before, and now I have kids doing the same. It is indeed a good time to pray for them, their safety, strength to do the fob. Just leave the spouse thing out of this, OK? Life in the military is hard enough as it is...too much time away from family...hours of boredom followed by days/weeks at a time of hard fear, wondering if you will live long enough to get home. SUPPORT THE TROOPS |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 04/25/05 at 13:02:34 lancer wrote:
BRING THEM HOME.... and send GWB and his cronies to do the job... how on earth is it always the politicians who start trouble and young people who fight, eh? The USA and his people would never be safer than if those kids were at home, where they are actually needed and missed.... RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by lancer on 04/25/05 at 21:36:08 "W" is doing his job. The politicians did not start this thing, it was "Osama and his friends"...remember? 9-11, USS Cole, Mogadishu (spell check). Young people are usually the ones who do the job of providing security, it is by necessity a young persons job. You cannot do that kind of thing when you get older...I know that by experience. Yes, when a family member is gone they are missed. But understand this, neither you, or me, or anyone else in this country can be safe without SOMEONE STANDING ON THE WALL TO STAND WATCH, MAKING SURE THAT NO ONE GETS IN WHO WOULD DO US HARM. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 04/26/05 at 08:28:31 I agree with you Lancer that GWB did not start this thing, it was probably his father or someone way back in history... but have you just ever wondered why is that other peoples do not like the US Government or Rule? I just ask myself if the average American citizen has really considered that maybe Iraqis, Afghans, Somalians and other alike do NOT want democracy as a form of government? They maybe quite happy with their little kings, feudal lords, and similar leaders... why do you (American government) feel you have to decide how other peoples have to be ruled, who has to do it and when a change is needed? If we follow that logic, I could think that the US citizen might be better off with someone like Vlad Putin or Kim Jong Il in the White House, but who am I to decide? what all the other countries in the world (I mean the real citizens, not the US-loving leaders, like Blair and that gang) are saying is, LEAVE US ALONE, TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN BUSINESS and PAY A FAIR PRICE FOR MY STUFF, the rest is just middle-aged rethoric... Uff, sorry for that, just my two cents from sunny Santiago, after a 2-hour rainstorm.... Best, RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by lancer on 04/26/05 at 09:35:49 The questions are valid, as is your opinion, you have every right. Other people want the same God given right to do the same. When considering these things, I suggest that you seek out the reports of "those who have been with the people" in the villages and fields...our soldiers. Virtually all that I have heard report that the people there are VERY grateful that we removed the murdering UNELECTED leaders that had been hurting them. They do not have to chose our form of government, but it is good that they can choose, not forced by a dictator with a gun to their head. We did (note that I said WE, since it was the leaders that we elected who made these decisions for us...that is what we elected them to do...if you do not agree with what they did then vote them out...that is your responsibility as a voting member of this country) go into these countries for the purpose of removing a threat to our country. It is a hard thing to do, but there are times when we have to make hard decisions. Are the Afgan and Iraqi people, in general, glad we came in? You bet they are! Women are able to work, girls able to go to school, children no longer put in prison (Sadam had prisons built for the sole purpose of holding children as young as 5 years old in order to force their fathers to fight in the military), no more family members being taken in the night and never seen again. Think about it, what would you do...how would you react if those things happened to your wife, your children, your mother or father? If you fully take that concept into your mind the idea of it will churn your gut...a lot of people in this world live with this every day...it is heart breaking. Yes, they want to be free too. Now I have gone off on my soap box again. The concept of REAL FREEDOM fans a fire in me. I do not hesitate to defend my right to freedom, nor would I hesitate to risk my life for your right as well. Without freedom, every aspect of life is negatively impacted. Dwell on that thought for a while, and see that it is true. On to more pleasant things. Ride well and ride safe. Have a wonderful day and enjoy the blessings God has given us. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by lancer on 04/26/05 at 09:45:21 Red, I just now realized that you are from Chile, and therefore ask for you to understand that parts of my comments are directed toward US citizens. Most, however, I think are applicable to everyone. Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/26/05 at 09:52:33 I think we might need to change the title of the thread. 8) |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Maggo on 04/26/05 at 10:43:04 K&N filter # SU-6595 should be the right one for it. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Savage_Rob on 04/26/05 at 11:54:36 Actually, the discussion should move to another board. I had a couple of comments and started a reply this morning but thought better of it, deciding SuzukiSavage.com was not the appropriate venue and deleted my post. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by sluggo on 04/26/05 at 13:08:56 Savage_Rob wrote:
i did excatly the same thing last night at around 2300. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by sluggo on 04/26/05 at 13:57:23 it's time to lighten things up here. how come we can't find a 7ft bearded man dragging a dialasis machine around (the one who actually did 9-11). yet we feel the need to monitor matha stewarts movements 24/7 :o credit jay leno. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 04/26/05 at 14:45:24 Just a quick note, so the thread can go back to its original purpose... I agree with most Lancer's comments, the only thing that got me off the track is the idea that the USA are to be world's police corps; we have the UNO and other forums to cope with it, in other words, it's unilateralism that I do not like, I'd have fully supported the invasion of Iraq had the world agreed upon it, but it didn't. So Bushy went on his own... real respect for legalities in law-abiding USA... Time to go ride... CU later, take care fellow riders. RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 04/26/05 at 14:57:55 I just want to post a "band-aid" apology in case my previous comments have offended, hurt, or damaged anyone in this forum; it was never my intention and never will. If I did, I beg your pardon. Ride safe, buddies RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by lancer on 04/26/05 at 20:33:41 I went through a similar process, I started and deleted my comments several times before making the final statement. Ya'll are right though, we should stay with the theme of the site. My apologies for letting my guard down. Red, your OK man...I have no problem with anything you said. Good weather is here, let's ride! |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Reelthing on 04/26/05 at 20:59:10 Ok - back to the topic - I think several folks here have put the K&N in the standard airbox - when you did it can you tell any difference without at least adding some holes to the air box? |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by sluggo on 04/26/05 at 22:01:03 guys and girls. this is what i love about this group of people. we can agree to disagree with respect. it's not often that happens. i applaud all of you. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by WD on 04/27/05 at 01:18:52 Reelthing, even with a stock air filter, I found the bike runs better if you take off the airbox door. Would be better yet if you turned the door into a "scoop" behind the side panel. I had to open my airbox up, I stuffed the regulator in the under seat air intake...fits pretty good. I'm too lazy to relocate the regulator to the top of the swingarm or the exhaust hanger bracket base. -WD |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Reelthing on 04/27/05 at 04:37:00 I was looking over the airbox lastnight - rather complex design for such a simple function, I see they even change it along the way and went from a single large hole in the top to twin holes - they must be trying to balance (restrict) the air to match the lean jets to keep the epa happy. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/27/05 at 05:19:30 WD wrote:
diddo I took the cover off and noticed a Significant increase. free horse power is the best :o. A word of caution my bike is a 86 :P and has a 155 main and I noticed it went quite lean if you have a later model bike take care to richen it up before making this simple change. I only say this because it is one of the easyest and cheapest mods. Therefore it is likely to be attempted by newcomers to this bike. 8) |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Savage_Rob on 04/27/05 at 05:39:06 Yes. There is an increase in flow with the K&N replacement and I have just been happy with K&N filters on all my vehicles for several years now. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by gitarzan on 04/27/05 at 11:42:52 I've seen forums turn into ugly places due to discussion of politics. I'd hate to see that happen here. I'd suggest a gentleman's agreement to leave our gun's at the door. There's other places on the net if you want to argue politics. I'd rather see this place stay on the friendly level it has always been, so far. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Setral on 04/27/05 at 13:36:46 Question on the air filter, should the air filter that fits the newer Savage's, also fit the 86-88s? |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by woodworker on 04/27/05 at 14:23:44 Setral wrote:
The newer savage filters "Do Not" fit the 1986 thru 1988 savages. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Reelthing on 04/27/05 at 14:48:26 Oklahoma_Mike wrote:
Replaced the carb bolts with Hex allen head stainless over the week end - the philips were about to wear out! time for more jet tests! Great bike - tinkers dream! |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/27/05 at 16:30:57 Reelthing wrote:
True that 8) |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 04/28/05 at 13:05:16 What kind of cautions should I take to put a K&N filter on my 1990, 400cc Savage? Rejetting? just increase the mix? Thanks. RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 04/28/05 at 13:08:30 gitarzan wrote:
Git, It has never been friendlier here than right now. I think we can talk about everything we want here, provided there is respect for each other; I can't share a brew with most of you, but whenever I stop by here, my mood is exactly that one: a friendly chat, sometimes passionate, yeah, around a few beers at my favorite bar... Ride safe, man RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 04/28/05 at 15:48:04 Red_Wine wrote:
Wish we could bro 8) 8) |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Reelthing on 04/28/05 at 15:50:14 Red_Wine wrote:
Maybe the mix a little - but if the air flows better it'll be the main jet that can't keep up - do you know what came in the 400? |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Ed_L. on 04/28/05 at 16:36:33 One of the changes made on my '02 over the winter was installing a stock type K+N air filter and rejetting to a 152.5 main. In a fit insanity I drilled about 60 1/4 inch holes in the airbox door, (got bored, drank some beer, attacked the bike), seemed to really help with the airflow to the carb. Could of removed the door completely but it was more fun laying into the door with the drill ;D. Must of worked, just got back from a ride where I hit 70mph in third gear, aroung 5500 rpm. Couldn't get anywhere close to that when everything was stock. Had to stay out of the politics earlier, tend to either put my foot in my mouth or try to put it up somebody's butt. Ride Safe, Ed L. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Greg_650 on 04/29/05 at 05:28:15 Ed_L. wrote:
Attacked the airbox door? Too much! ;D You can also pull the rubber boot out of the airbox intake if more airflow is what you want....oh but wait, only attempt this procedure with a 6 pack in the toolbox ::) |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 05/02/05 at 08:04:01 Reelthing wrote:
Not sure what's in there, since I have not disassembled the carb yet... so far the bike runs OK, but I have only installed a Sportster muffler, no carb work, no more air flow needed, I guess... maybe the colder, thicker air in the cold season is helping... don't know. I'll keep you posted on any news. pics of my Savage are on the way (finally...) Take care, RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Ed_L. on 05/02/05 at 18:45:32 RW, you might be ok with the jetting on your bike. The 400cc Savage was produced before Suzuki tuned the bikes on the lean side for emission control. Are you getting any backfires when backing off on the throttle, if you are then the carb is too lean. If not, then the carb should be close to where it should be. Ed L. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 05/03/05 at 06:04:44 My Dear Ed, I'm just getting a small, dull "puf" when I kill the engine with the switch, no backfires when accelerating or slowing down :) The bike pulls hard, even in high gears, 8) so I'm a happy Savager ;D I guess I'll leave the carb alone until any problems arise. I do blow some blueish smoke out the back ( ;D go figure that), specially when I release the throttle after hard acceleration or when I rev the engine up at a stoplight. Should I prepare for a new set of valve guides or cylinder rings? What's your opinion? Greg told me it should be valve guides, but I'd like a second opinion on this. ::) BTW, your muffler was installed about 3 weeks ago, pics on the way; it looks and works great, though a little quiet for me. Take care, pal RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Kropatchek on 05/03/05 at 14:02:47 Greg told me it should be valve guides, but I'd like a second opinion on this. Well here it is: Sounds more like the valvestem seals to me. Remember the piston is sucking a lot of air in the engine through the closed throttle valve. Air must come from somwher so it sucks along the valve stems. Hope I described this clearly Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Greg_650 on 05/03/05 at 15:25:30 Kropatchek wrote:
Well, "actually" I was thinking either/or the valve guides or the seals or even both for the exact reason you explained. The "closed throttle sucking air" is the reason but don't forget that the air being sucked contains oil which burns...and you have smoke. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Kropatchek on 05/03/05 at 15:30:17 Greg_650 wrote:
As always, my explanation is always the short version. :-[ Thanks for the more comprehensive version. Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Greg_650 on 05/03/05 at 16:26:08 Kropatchek wrote:
Not really, old chap. I was just glad to hear a second opinion that agreed with mine for a change. Sometimes it's just plain lonely being right, you know :P |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 05/04/05 at 09:49:37 Greg_650 wrote:
Nope buddy, you're not alone.... ::) And, well, I'll but the parts by the end of the month.... Thanks, RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Ed_L. on 05/04/05 at 16:33:52 Got to agree with everybody else, either seals or guides, probably both need attention. Might be worth it to drop in new valves while you are at it. Depends on the wear on them and you budget. Glad to hear the sporty muffler worked out. Ed L. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Red_Wine on 05/05/05 at 10:34:12 Budget is tight, so I'll open it up first, then take whatever pain I need to. :'( I'm riding without proper papers, so I'm taking chances everyday.. :o I'll keep you posted.... RW |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Setral on 05/05/05 at 11:37:27 question again on the air filter. how different is the airbox on the 86-88 vs the 1995-2005 models, since there is no air filter I can find, except the OEM filter for the airbox? |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Greg_650 on 05/07/05 at 08:33:01 Red_Wine wrote:
You'll have to remove the head to change the seals or guides. You can't compress the springs to remove the keepers without getting under the valves. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Reelthing on 05/09/05 at 04:44:43 In former life we used an air compressor to pump up the cylinder for a leak down test (how long it will hold air) through the spark plug hole as well as hold the valves up to replace the seals. But there was a rocker arm stud to anchor the valve spring compressor - may not be anything on the savage head to do this and after you've pulled off the head cover it's doesn't look like it's much more work to pull the head as well. |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by Greg_650 on 05/11/05 at 05:25:40 Yep, no rocker arm studs here. It would be nice. When I took my valves apart, I didn't have a valve spring compressor either. I rigged a tool with a socket and a c-clamp.... |
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Title: Re: K&N air filter... Post by WD on 05/11/05 at 13:13:58 The early airbox can't be all that different. I checked my catalogs at work, from cheapo to expensive, they ALL list the filters fitting every Savage. ??? I might have a early airbox in the parts bin...I ride a 98... if I find the old airbox, I'll do a side by side and try the current replacement in both airboxes. No promises, the used parts area is under "re-organization", the airboxes are somewhat AWOL at the moment... ::) -WD |
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