SuzukiSavage.com - Print Page

SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl
General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1110921562

Message started by PerrydaSavage on 03/15/05 at 13:19:22

Title: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/15/05 at 13:19:22

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

This is some scary reading folks ... even if only half accurate!
What do you all think ... is this fear mongering, or is there anything too it?
What sort of sceneario do you see developing over the next 20 years?
BTW regular grade gasoline went up to $0.948Cdn per liter here (St. John's, Nfld.) today ... that equals $2.97USD per US Gallon or $4.31Cdn per Imperial Gallon ... yikes!!

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by sluggo on 03/15/05 at 13:49:13

perry, how the heck ya been? you've been pretty quiet around here latley.

i read the article, and will say this with a grain of salt
"liars can figgure, and figgures can lie". :o

i followed all the graphs and conclusions and using their theory they have drawn a scary scenario.

i found this to be the most intresting line of the whole page, it's a cut and paste.

Consider Supporting It While Further Educating Yourself About This Urgent Issue By Purchasing Something From Our Store:

there ya go my thoughts. personally i don't think the gooey stuff is ever gonna run out. the powers that be just want to make more money on it.

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Paladin on 03/15/05 at 13:58:42

Fear mongering for profit -- they are selling books to the believers. Just glancing over it I saw some gross exagerations. I have a firm faith in the greed of human beings. As oil depletes over the next few decades the price will steadily rise until the cost of alternatives will no longer be an economic block and alternatives will be developed.

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by sluggo on 03/15/05 at 14:15:41

Paladin wrote:

Fear mongering for profit --

shouldn't that read fear mongering for fun and profit.

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Ed_L. on 03/15/05 at 14:45:37

Sounds like the beginning of Mad Max, Road Warror. Gas prices have gone up by almost 15 cents per gallon over the last couple weeks here in PA. Even if it true there isn't a lot that an individual can do about it. Kind of like getting into a turn way to hot and knowing you won't get out the other end, all you can do is hold on for the ride ;D. Don't really think it is al that bad, seems they are skewing the numbers to prove thier point. Didn't mention coal reserves at all. ride Safe

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/15/05 at 15:08:29

Ha Ha :) ... I can always count on you guys to cheer me up! I too think that we will come up with alternatives ... I really should stop reading so much ... either that, or I wish to H.E. double hockey sticks that Spring would come so's I could strap on the ol' Savage and blow out some of the mental rubbish that has gathered over the Winter!!
Gas prices around here are startin' to hurt though ...

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Michael on 03/15/05 at 22:50:29

Perry.......

Gas went up to the same price here in New Brunswick. It is slightly down from .97 a litre last month.

still cheaper than last summer though...it went up to $1.09, /L here last july/august.

I just chuckle when i hear my American friends b i t c h about paying $1. 60/gallon.

cheers

Michael

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by lancer on 03/15/05 at 23:46:32

Hey, life is tough all over. On my last trip to the grocery store my favorite chocolate donuts were up to $2.97 per bag. Oh well, some things are just to critical in life to go without so I guess I will just have to buck up and spend the big bucks for the bag...think I'll buy 2 and save some money before the next price increase.

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by sluggo on 03/16/05 at 01:11:19

lancer wrote:

DONUTS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HUNGRY TO EAT ONE.

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by thehoghunter on 03/16/05 at 06:33:01

Solutions are being worked on (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4353853.stm)

Quote:

The world's first purpose-built hydrogen-powered bike could be fitted with an artificial "vroom" because of worries its silence might be dangerous.

A prototype of the motorbike, which could cost more than $8,300 (£4,500), was unveiled in London on Tuesday.

The problem with the "fuel cell" bike, which produces no polluting emissions, is that it is too quiet.

But anti-noise campaigners said they welcomed the prospect of a motorbike without the usual excruciating roar.

For their part, manufacturers said the fake engine noise device, which could be switched off, would help alert road users.

The motorbike, known as an Emissions Neutral Vehicle (ENV), has a top speed of 50mph (80km/h), a range of at least 100 miles (160km) and can run continuously for four hours before the fuel cell needs recharging.

Its water-vapour emissions are so clean that they are drinkable, according to its designers.

Mobile energy source

But with a noise emission equivalent to an everyday home computer, motorcycle enthusiasts thought the "exhilaration" factor was missing.

"They can add all the noise they want, it will still lack the va-va-voom serious motorcyclists look for," Jeff Stone of the British Motorcyclists Federation told the BBC.

Concerns were raised that the motorcycle was too silent and might not be noticed by other traffic and pedestrians.

Harry Bradbury, chief executive of the bike's British manufacturers Intelligent Energy, said: "What we are doing is introducing flexibility into it, so that you can have ambient noise that is tolerable - low-level noise sufficient for safety reasons - but which can be switched off when desired."

Peter Wakeham, director of the Noise Abatement Society, who said motorbikes were among the worst noise offenders, welcomed the idea of a quiet bike.

"But it kind of defeats the purpose of designing a silent bike only to then add an artificial noise device," he said.

Dr Bradbury said the bike's detachable briefcase-size cell filled with high pressure hydrogen, or "core", could eventually be used as a mobile energy source, with the same cell used to power different objects.

He said the prospect of producing mobile hydrogen energy from a variety of sources, including crops such as soya or sugar cane, could benefit remote communities or developing countries, where large electric grids were not economically viable.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4353853.stm

Published: 2005/03/16 14:13:10 GMT

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by thehoghunter on 03/16/05 at 06:59:25

Of course, that quiet bike needs one of these (http://www.bikepipe.com/retail.asp) (probably cheaper than the modification they were planning on)

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Kropatchek on 03/16/05 at 09:23:02

In Holland ( the Netherlands) the price for regular (95)
is a stunning 1,22 Euros per LITER.. :'( :'( :'(

Greetz
Kropatchek >:(

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Paladin on 03/16/05 at 14:17:43

Kropatchek wrote:

In Holland ( the Netherlands) the price for regular (95)....

WHOA! STOP! Is that the octane rating of *REGULAR*?

In the birthplace of Hot Rodding regular gas is 87 octane and premium gas is 91 octane. If you want anything better you need to find racing or aviation fuel.

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by gitarzan on 03/16/05 at 17:59:43

That's 95 octane CELSIUS.

::)

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Paladin on 03/16/05 at 18:17:34

gitarzan wrote:

That's 95 octane CELSIUS.

::)

Celsius to Farhenheit... F=C*9/5 +32...

95 octane C = 203 octane F. :o

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Tony on 03/17/05 at 04:06:12

you guys are gonna make me crack!! ;D
I should try that on some of my friends IQ scores and see if it helps.

I may also be wrong about this, and I may also be showing how old I am, but, does anyone remember the 70's? were'nt the original ratings more like this?

86- Economy (I called this water)
87- low octane
89- regular
92 - super
93.5 - Ultra (sunoco)

It wasnt until the newer computer controls that allowed cars to run on the lower 87 that made people start calling it regular.

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Ed_L. on 03/17/05 at 06:33:02

Yeah, I remember that, they had different names for it like Ethyl instead of regular and Sunoco had a dinosaur on the logo. You had to ask for unleaded if you could find a station that carried it. They were the good old days with steel dashboards and no seat belts, skinny tires and big block engines ;D. From what I've been able to pick up you can buy higher octane gas at the pump in europe. Here in the states you need to go to a racetrack or airport to get anything over 93 octane.
Ride Safe

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by lancer on 03/17/05 at 07:44:54

Oooooh....115 octane aviation gas is some fun stuff.......

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Kropatchek on 03/17/05 at 07:49:12

Just came back from refueling my little Fiat Panda.

regular 95 octane 1,235 Euros / liter :'(
Premium 98 octane 1,295 Euros / liter :'(

back in the late 60 when I started my carrier in aviation I worked on Douglas DC7 airplanes, they used to run on 115/135 octane.

Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Red_Wine on 03/18/05 at 06:47:02

Hi Fellas,
just FYI, here in Chile we can get only 93, 95 and 97 octane unleaded gas at any pump station... ;D
prices are a joke though, >:( :(
93 = CH$505 (US$0.85 per LITER) :o
95 = CH$510 (US$0.86 per LITER) :o
97 = CH$515 (US$0.87 per LITER) :o

The above means US$3.32 a gallon of gas :o :o

RW

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by slavy on 03/18/05 at 07:11:30

Higher octane doesn't always mean better. The aviation gas has very high octane # , because it contains a lot of lead. It doesn't give it more burning energy. The only way to benefit is to raise the compression ratio. Years ago I was used to put 100+ octane aviation gas in my 2stroke MZ. The only benefit was that I was not paying for it. ;D ;D

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Kropatchek on 03/19/05 at 03:01:28

Kropatchek wrote:

Which comes to $3.60 a gallon.

Kropatchek

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by klx650sm2002 on 03/19/05 at 03:05:10

I used to have a Fiat Panda, it leaked oil, does Yours ?

Clive W :D

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Kropatchek on 03/19/05 at 03:07:02

klx650sm2002 wrote:

I used to have a Fiat Panda, it leaked oil, does Yours ?

Clive W :D

It consumes it. No leaks.

Kropatchek

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by WD on 03/19/05 at 03:17:58

As long as the bike is a sipper, I'll keep putting gas in it. Regular 87 octane crap hit 2.28 USD a gallon just up the road from the house. Ridiculous! Guess my 8.5mpg truck is getting parked soon... The truck has to run premium (91-93 octane), which is 2.58 a gallon at the same station. Still cheaper than diesel, 2.88 and rising. I feel sorry for the truckers, going to be alot of hungry people this summer when the long haul trucking industry dies.
-WD

Title: Re: Life After the Oil Crash - Scary Reading!
Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 03/19/05 at 04:53:57

And diesel is really a byproduct of other production it is in essence the scum of the oil. doesn’t make any sense?? Someone is making a killing on this stuff!!!!!
:-X ::)