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Title: SAVE Post by WebsterMark on 02/13/26 at 05:03:36 Will passing this act make elections more legitimate? Sure. Will passing this law make it more difficult to register to vote? Sure Will passing this law make it impossible for every citizen to vote? No So what’s all the hubub about? First, I’d raise the voting age back to 21. One argument against that is it’s not fair that you can go fight a war but you can’t vote. Too bad, you can’t rent a car either. Second, this will be hard to figure out, but if you don’t pay taxes, you should not be allowed to vote. Anyone who votes should see a paycheck with the difference between gross and net before voting. No Mail-in voting. I don’t know enough about voting machines, but when it takes days to count votes, there’s something wrong. Finally, the idea that voting is the most important aspect of Democracy is BS. That ideology is what lead to where we are now. Voting is a privilege, not a right. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by thumperclone on 02/13/26 at 06:03:16 voting is a right no taxation without representation |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Eegore on 02/13/26 at 08:08:26 Second, this will be hard to figure out, but if you don’t pay taxes, you should not be allowed to vote. Anyone who votes should see a paycheck with the difference between gross and net before voting. My concern is removing taxes on Social Security would remove many humans ability to vote. Or unemployed humans who simply have enough money to not work for a year. College students at MIT on full ride scholarships, GI Bill full ride scholarships, MENSA scholarships, none of them can vote because they have astronomically high intellects. Men or Women that raise children full time - no vote. Anyone earning less than 15,750 annually pay no income tax - too poor to vote. Volunteers - Work a few days a week at the local military museum? = can't vote. I suppose any of them could buy something, thus paying a sales tax, then they can vote right? Or does it have to be "income tax"? No Mail-in voting. I disagree. CO had no issues for decades and decades with mail voting, including when Trump won the first time, then all the sudden in 2020 mail-in voting is bad. Veterans overseas should be able to mail-in votes. Hospitalized humans should be able to vote, the elderly without transport etc. should be able to vote. A technologically sound alternative is a better solution than simply removing voters voices because they are old, sick, or serving their country. Voting is a privilege, not a right. The 26th Amendmnet disagrees as it specifically says "The right of citizens of the United States" |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Eegore on 02/13/26 at 08:09:26 voting is a right no taxation without representation That's a slogan, not legislation. No different than teenagers saying they should have sex with whoever they want to. "Just do it" https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/no-taxation-without-representation |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by zevenenergie on 02/13/26 at 11:39:28 Okay, we're all worried about democracy and voting now, but if you see what the Epstein case is referring to, you can clearly see that there's no such thing as a democracy. Today I found a brand new YouTube channel from someone who normally posts on X media. He's made six videos on YouTube, each under 10 minutes long, about the Epstein documents that will make your jaw drop. This is his channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TruRedGeopolitics I'd say give it a try. Because if you let it sink in, you'll see that the division between Democrats and Republicans is nothing more than premeditated. What a coincidence that the Democrats have CNN and the Republicans have Fox. Both are mainstream media outlets owned by the elite. I now suddenly understand why we have NOS (the Dutch Broadcasting Foundation) in the Netherlands. It's not a national broadcaster, as I always feared; it's a media channel for the elite. Watching this YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExsYPZEcve0 suddenly made all the pieces of the puzzle I've seen over the past 30 years fall into place. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by WebsterMark on 02/13/26 at 17:37:44 1636343C2136530 wrote:
Like I said, hard to figure out. I think you need skin in the game. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/14/26 at 06:29:24 The REAL problem with voting is that rich people's votes count more than poor people's votes. No elected official should be allowed to even speak to lobbyists without being recorded and in public. The rich make deals with politicians by bribing them. BTW, the GOP is losing it because of their own proposed legislation: the SAVE Act ignores the fact that over half of the MAGAT voters don't have passports. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by WebsterMark on 02/14/26 at 14:19:41 The REAL problem with voting is that rich people's votes count more than poor people's votes. Maybe they should. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/15/26 at 05:49:01 The REAL reason MAGATs are sure there's voter fraud going on: "GOP registration worker charged with voter fraud A campaign worker linked to a controversial Republican consulting firm has been arrested in Virginia and charged with throwing voter registration forms into a dumpster. The suspect, Colin Small, 31, was described by a local law enforcement official as a "supervisor" in a Republican Party financed operation to register voters in Rockingham County in rural Virginia. He was arrested after a local business owner in the same Harrisonburg, Va., shopping center where the local GOP campaign headquarters is located spotted Small tossing a bag into the trash, according to a statement Thursday by the Rockingham County Sheriff’s office. The bag was later found to contain eight voter registration forms." Local News >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by thumperclone on 02/15/26 at 06:56:56 033136272031261935263F540 wrote:
with liberty and justice for all |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/15/26 at 13:02:37 The US elections have a fraudulent voter rate of 0.00003- 0.00008% (Depending on sources.) for 27 YEARS. It is impossible to procedurally beat those percentages, no matter HOW you manipulate the numbers. So, NO, g0dd@mnit, the "SAVE (The GOP) Act WONT make US elections MORE secure. That is just another Trumpedo lie! You MAGATs accues others of what you WANT to be lies, then back the LIAR 100%. Morons! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/15/26 at 13:14:48 MAGA SUPPORTER ACCUSED OF VOTING FOR TRUMP UNDER DEAD RELATIVES NAME A Delaware County man is accused of illegally voting for President Donald Trump under the names of his deceased mother and deceased mother-in-law. Bruce Bartman, 70, of Marple Township, used Pennsylvania’s online voter registration portal to register both his deceased mother, Elizabeth Bartman, as well as his mother-in-law, Elizabeth Weihman, who died in 2019, according to voter records. Investigators say Bartman is a registered Republican who illegally registered both deceased women as Republican voters in an attempt to reelect President Trump. An Absentee Ballot under Elizabeth Bartman’s name was received and recorded by the Delaware County Bureau of Elections and the illegal vote was counted in the tally for the November 3 election, investigators said. Bartman allegedly admitted to illegally registering both deceased women. He was arrested and charged with perjury and unlawful voting. Local News Yeah, there ARE instances of voter fraud--- ALL Republican. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/26 at 16:35:22 7D5656575F5640330 wrote:
Yea, you’re going to need to provide some evidence of that. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Eegore on 02/15/26 at 20:35:45 Yea, you’re going to need to provide some evidence of that. Typical Needles exaggeration, so we won't get the references that he demands from others.. Election fraud is not as low as Needles claims, but not as high as Trump claims in my opinion. Also it's very clear Democrats also commit election fraud. Political affiliation does not stop humans from committing crime. I already posted Democrats that committed voter fraud, with references to actual court cases, but it is ignored and not Observed, so in his Observed Reality "ALL" voter fraud is from Republicans. Bottom line is Trump lost in 2020. Spin it however you want, the strategies he used in 2016 didn't work. The other side did better that cycle. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by MnSpring on 02/16/26 at 06:04:40 "... Will passing this act make elections more legitimate? ..." Something needs to be done. To prevent the Likes of Timmy Tampon winning. Who had the Wellstone,s kids to thank. ((In other words, allowing someone TOTALLY CROOKED)) In the automatic recount, between Boschwitz & Wellstone, (because the margin was so close) It was, Amazing that SO MANY 'BALLETS" were found, In the trunk of a car, in a Phone booth, in a mail drop box. Which put Wellstone on top after SEVERAL Recounts ! After Wellstone died in a airplane crash, his kids started a school which taught, How to Win a election, being a SOCIALIST. Which Timmy did twice, and his LG taught the classes. (Here is one JUST FOR NEEEEEDALS) "...Throughout the weekend, there was role-playing , in which the attendees held mock press conferences and gave stump speeches. They were also taught how to handle campaign crises. One scenario Camp Wellstone used was a situation in which a campaign manager is revealed to be having an affair with a staffer. What do you as a candidate do about that?..." |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Eegore on 02/16/26 at 09:01:05 Something needs to be done. To prevent the Likes of Timmy Tampon winning. Who had the Wellstone,s kids to thank. ((In other words, allowing someone TOTALLY CROOKED)) In the automatic recount, between Boschwitz & Wellstone, (because the margin was so close) It was, Amazing that SO MANY 'BALLETS" were found, In the trunk of a car, in a Phone booth, in a mail drop box. Which put Wellstone on top after SEVERAL Recounts ! After Wellstone died in a airplane crash, his kids started a school which taught, How to Win a election, being a SOCIALIST. Which Timmy did twice, and his LG taught the classes. In your opinion. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/16/26 at 15:39:17 https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-widespread-is-election-fraud-in-the-united-states-not-very/ https://www.newsweek.com/voter-fraud-us-elections-data-research-1978342 https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4962270-us-election-fraud-rare/ https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf I tend to not provide sources because MAGATs can't tell real ones from bullsh1t, and most of the idiots don't recognize a real expert anyway. These links assume you can read at least at a 5th grade level, BTW. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Eegore on 02/16/26 at 18:22:37 I tend to not provide sources because MAGATs can't tell real ones from bullsh1t, and most of the idiots don't recognize a real expert anyway. These links assume you can read at least at a 5th grade level, BTW. You also claim one source should be enough. This post is an opinion. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by WebsterMark on 02/17/26 at 04:52:08 Another Nick Shirley video. Is there voter fraud? Of course. Any time money and power is available, people will steal and cheat to get it. How common is it? That’s hard to answer. One thing seems certain; you can’t point to the number of prosecutions and say based on that, voter fraud is not a serious issue. Do the examples in his video, with the obvious gaps in identification security, form the basis for a national requirement of government issued ID presented prior to voting? My opinion and the answer for the majority of Americans is yes. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zSh1Ey4dLcY&pp=ygUMbmljayBzaGlybGV50gcJCYcKAYcqIYzv |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/17/26 at 05:51:31 The only voter fraud in recent times is when the MAGATs get caught trying to cheat. THEN they say they were doing it to prove voter fraud exists. The still go to jail. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by zevenenergie on 02/17/26 at 06:07:19 One thing is certain: without voter integrity, there is no democracy. In the Netherlands, you can only vote if you have a valid Dutch passport. We haven't created the insane polarity that you have. This is because 80 to 100 registered parties participate in elections. From these, about 15 parties end up in government. Then there are one or two, and sometimes three, parties that form a coalition that governs. However, a large-scale study conducted 15 years ago showed that voters cannot exert any influence on political decisions through the electoral system. The only way is to form a political party themselves. But in practice, it has proven almost impossible for such parties to enter government and actually change anything. In short, democracy is a charade in our country. In America, it's nothing more than a temporary dictatorship for four years. If there's a president who wants to strengthen voter integrity, then I think that's not a bad thing. He is doing you a favor. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by WebsterMark on 02/17/26 at 10:04:56 765D5D5C545D4B380 wrote:
You could write 2 + 2 = 5 and have a better chance of arguing that is true. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by WebsterMark on 02/17/26 at 10:06:56 2E3122313A313A3126333D31540 wrote:
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by zevenenergie on 02/17/26 at 11:18:28 That makes you racist http://https://i.imgur.com/PlONQIx.png You mean I have to burn crosses from now on? How many times a week? I should probably buy some matches first. What do you guys throw on the wood, tar or something? :-/ Or is simply identifying yourself with a passport at the elections enough? |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/17/26 at 13:36:32 If US democracy was real, the MAGATs would not be in charge. No democracy supports Trumpedo. The very existence of the Trumpedo "administration" is proof of the capitalist oligarchy. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/17/26 at 13:59:21 '"I'M AN ELECTION JUDGE FOR 10 YEARS. NON-CITIZENS CANNOT VOTE ALREADY AND OUR SYSTEM CATCHES THE FEW WHO TRY. NO NON CITIZEN WOULD EVER RISK THEIR ENTIRE FUTURE IN THE UNITED STATES TO CAST A BALLOT! IT IS A CRIME PUNISHABLE BY 5 YEARS IN JAIL. IT ALSO MAKES THE PERSON DEPORTABLE, WITH NO WAIVER AVAILABLE THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM IN THE REAL WORLD. THE REAL PROBLEM REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO SOLVE IS THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS (ESP. WOMEN) DON'T LIKE THEIR POLICIES AND WILL VOTE AGAINST THEM." @LISAMLPAC PAC [ch51088]' ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/17/26 at 14:16:40 'The Heritage Foundation Did a Search To Find Out How Many People Voted In a Federal Election, That Were Illegals... They Found a Whopping 77 Voters...In 24 years of Voting. In 24 Years, 1,008,643,528 528 People Voted.. Which Means They Have Uncovered An Astounding .00000764% fVoters, That Have All Been Caught... Representing The Huge Problem We Have With Voter Fraud' The Heritage Foundation--- MAGAT supporting pedos, all, could not find evidence of significant voter fraud. The only value voter fraud has to Trumpedo is how he's using it to stop legal voting. THAT is treason. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by WebsterMark on 02/17/26 at 16:21:46 '"I'M AN police officer FOR 10 YEARS. NON-CITIZENS CANNOT steal because the doors are locked and we catch the few who try and break in. NO NON CITIZEN WOULD EVER RISK THEIR ENTIRE FUTURE IN THE UNITED STATES TO steal only $50. IT IS A CRIME PUNISHABLE BY 5 YEARS IN JAIL. IT ALSO MAKES THE PERSON DEPORTABLE, WITH NO WAIVER AVAILABLE THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM IN THE REAL WORLD." See how stupid that sounds…. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by zevenenergie on 02/18/26 at 00:30:35 In the Netherlands, we have seen society change due to the arrival of immigrants. Hospital staff now consider it normal to be threatened and confronted with physical violence twice a day. Our prisons are overflowing with immigrants who are guilty of crime and rape. Corruption in the municipal council is inherent in the percentage of immigrants working there. Urban impoverishment and pollution on the streets, neighbor disputes, gang violence. Drug-related nuisance. Rude behavior and threats in shopping malls. Theft of cars, bicycles, motorcycles, etc., loitering of young people during working hours. Abuse of social services. Structural violence against firefighters, ambulances, and other emergency services. Robbery of the elderly outdoors and indoors. And the list is not complete. The Netherlands once had the reputation of being a peaceful society. Those days are long gone. If I were you, I would do everything in my power to keep out immigrants, especially those with an Islamic background. Islam is a beautiful culture, but those who emigrate don't do so without reason. For the behavior they exhibit here, they have been ostracized from their own community. And for the criminal behavior they exhibit, they receive severe punishment in their own country. We have welcomed them en masse and provided them with every amenity a person could possibly need. And in return, we have received major, insurmountable problems and a hostile culture. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by WebsterMark on 02/18/26 at 03:34:03 It was warm in St Louis area this week. Two of my bikes were down for maintenance, but my Honda ADV160 scooter is a tank. Fired it up and went for a short ride. On a major nearby intersection, there’s a group who’ve decided it’s a good place to march around on the sidewalk with their little abolish ICE signs and other homemade but nicely prepared signs that advertise their TDS affiliation to the passing traffic. I got caught at the light and watched the show being set up. There were six at that point, 5 women who were 55 years + and one man who looked to be husband. It was Monday and the banks were closed so they parked in the empty lot. All drove here in newer SUVs and are undoubtedly living nearby. A classic example of the new gang invading suburbs, white liberal woman. Point is, none of them are likely to ever experience a disruption to their lives because of a criminal illegal immigrant. Sure, the odds could turn against them and they’ll get crushed by an 18 wheeler driven by a man who can’t speak or read English very well, but who somehow got a CDL license and brought that country’s driving culture with him. Otherwise, all they know is the blue team hates ICE, cops, Trump of course, and imagines themselves to be in Nazi Germany in the early 1930’s. They’re in favor of mass immigration as long as it doesn’t disrupt their suburban lives. It’s one of those situations that’s comical and sad at the same time. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by zevenenergie on 02/18/26 at 08:43:31 The farmer's wife is going on vacation for a few weeks, so the farmer tells the farmhand, "You're going to cook." "Good," says the farmhand, and makes kale. The next day there's kale again, and the next day again, and again, and again. Things go well for a while, but after two weeks, the farmer is completely fed up. When the farmhand puts kale on the table again, he explodes and throws the pan of kale out the window. The farmhand gets up and throws the table out the window. "What's good for?" asks the farmer. Farmhand: "Well, I thought we were going to eat outside." |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by MnSpring on 02/18/26 at 14:38:43 392635262D262D2631242A26430 wrote:
(This a QUESTION) So did the Ultra Liberals, DESTROY, the Netherlands who once had the reputation of being a peaceful society ? |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by MnSpring on 02/18/26 at 17:04:57 Oh, Which Country built a bridge for the amount of €150,000, FOR squirrels !!!!! (That the squirrels, DO NOT USE) |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by zevenenergie on 02/19/26 at 00:23:20 It's going too far to say that the Netherlands is destroyed. But if you walk around the big cities, it's like you're in Ankara or another Islamic country. But It's true that left-wing, want to destroy the Netherlands. I'm not a supporter of politics. Right now, the new hobbyhorse of the environmental movement and the left wing is pollution with PAks; taking measures against it costs 300,000,000,000 euros. But we haven't yet solved the nitrogen problem with which they've killed the farmers. I've studied PAks, and it's a worldwide, insoluble problem. It's in excessively high concentrations in all the world's water, from snow-capped mountain peaks to the deep sea. (a gift from DuPont) They are such stable molecules that nature can never break them down. So throwing €300,000,000,000 at it is a business model of clever businessmen, promoted by fanatical leftists, who are given every opportunity to be in power. When will this stupidity ever end. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by MnSpring on 02/19/26 at 06:29:47 "... excessively high concentrations in all the world's water, from snow-capped mountain peaks to the deep sea. (a gift from DuPont) ..." Save a TREE. Use a plastic bag. https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/25/the-war-on-plastic-is-a-war-on-modern-life/ |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by zevenenergie on 02/19/26 at 07:11:52 This problem is easily solved by stop drinking. Fortunately, there are still people who are seriously tackling this issue. Governments that take their orders from the globalists (we've since gotten to know this clique better through the Estein files) have proven to be very ineffective in solving major societal problems. Why is that? ::) Could that be corruption? |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/20/26 at 09:17:57 None of that's going to make voting any easier... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by MnSpring on 02/20/26 at 11:33:46 2C0707060E0711620 wrote:
So the, 'Full Bowen Socialists', want to vote, while sitting on the sofa, eating popcorn, and watching Oprah Re-Runs. Got it !!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Eegore on 02/20/26 at 11:36:10 So the, 'Full Bowen Socialists', want to vote, while sitting on the sofa, eating popcorn, and watching Oprah Re-Runs. Got it !!! In your opinion. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by MnSpring on 02/20/26 at 11:44:44 4565676F7265000 wrote:
So glad your AI is running smoothly ! |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Eegore on 02/20/26 at 11:49:52 So glad your AI is running smoothly ! This is your opinion. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/21/26 at 12:29:01 It's illegal for ICE, or any other armed force that supports a party, to be within 1000 feet of a polling place. Trumpedo is gearing up to intimidate voters like Hitler did. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Eegore on 02/22/26 at 10:06:53 It's illegal for ICE, or any other armed force that supports a party, to be within 1000 feet of a polling place. Trumpedo is gearing up to intimidate voters like Hitler did. Trump advisors will simply interpret 18 U.S. Code § 592 section that it is illegal to be at any location where a general or special election is held, unless necessary to repel armed enemies. Illegal immigrants have arms. Two of them, each. So there has to be ICE agents at polling locations to repel "armed" enemies. This is an opinion. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by thumperclone on 02/22/26 at 11:59:31 full blown socialist programs police fire library schools SOCIAL security |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by WebsterMark on 02/23/26 at 03:56:42 Since I started this thread, I nearby declare the topic of SAVE now refers to USA goalie Connor Hellebuyck’s numerous saves against Canada in the gold medal game yesterday. |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Needles on 02/24/26 at 05:13:56 BREAKING: MAGA WISCONSIN ELECTION COMMISSION DIRECTOR KIMBERLY ZAPATA FOUND GUILTY ON ALL FELONY COUNTS FOR FALSIFYING MILITARY BALLOTS. SHE COULD FACE 5 YEARS IN PRISON. AS USUAL, THE VOTER FRAUD IS ALL MAGA!' ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by MnSpring on 02/24/26 at 09:51:21 "There is no definitive evidence to suggest that either Republicans or Democrats have more individuals involved in pedophilia. Accusations often arise in political contexts but are typically unfounded and used as political weapons rather than based on factual data." AND: "...There is no evidence to suggest that either Republicans or Democrats have more voter fraud..." From a popular, AI ! |
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Title: Re: SAVE Post by Eegore on 02/24/26 at 11:49:31 From a popular, AI ! In your opinion. |
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