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Message started by WebsterMark on 12/08/25 at 05:10:57

Title: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by WebsterMark on 12/08/25 at 05:10:57

This is unbelievable.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/12/operation-walz.php

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by MnSpring on 12/08/25 at 06:14:16

Operation Walz ...

Yesterday the Star Tribune published the story ...
(Now called the, RED STAR)
(used to be two newspapers, the Star and the Tribune)

"In substance the story is grossly stupid, incompetent, lazy, and false. ..."

It opens accurately, ... that “Democrats allowed a $1+ billion heist to take place”

Welcome to Timmy Tampon's
destruction of what was
once a HONEST State.

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by zevenenergie on 12/08/25 at 10:22:17

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hyXKnOiOEa0

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Needles on 12/08/25 at 10:33:19

The main reason to pay taxes, unless you're a capitalist oligarch, is that everyone who stops paying taxes goes to jail, unless they agree to garnished wages.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by zevenenergie on 12/08/25 at 11:07:38

The tax system is broken, so Trump abolishes taxes and imposes tariffs on foreign countries. So, no taxes and incentives for domestic production.

It worked before and it will work again.

Trump will go down in history as the best president ever.

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Serowbot on 12/08/25 at 12:39:41

Who pays tariffs Zev?

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Needles on 12/08/25 at 14:17:30

It's just a MAGAT attempt to get around the tax codes and initiate a flat rate tax, which EVERY economist agrees puts the tax burden primarily on the poor. So, they SAY they're going to remove income tax, but the People will have to pay the tariff costs. If you're a billionaire, your maintenance costs, for food, housing, medical, transportation, etc., are a TINY fraction of what you earn, so the amount is negligible. If you make $60,000 a year or less, that percentage will be a lot higher than the 15-17% you would have paid. Typical MAGAT DISinformation.

When have tariffs EVER improved the economy? NEVER.

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Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by WebsterMark on 12/08/25 at 15:24:47

Stay on topic. My point is my tax money is being blatantly stolen, and in this case by the ineptitude of Minnesota’s state government.

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by zevenenergie on 12/08/25 at 15:44:05

4D5B4C51495C514A3E0 wrote:

Who pays tariffs Zev?

You are.
But you don,t pay income tax. No government reaching in your pay check before you even see it. :)
You pay tariffs so you buy more USA made stuff.
Whits stimulates us production, whits creates more job,s.

And let's face it, the IRS is a monster, and so is the tax code. We can't continue like this. And the national debt will certainly kill us in a few years. So, courageous action is needed.

We consume too much, and the trick of printing money no longer works, because the foreign countries no longer want to pay with dollars for oil,so who wants dollars? And your tax system is broken, and there are too many fingers in the honeypot.

America is not in a good state at the moment.

America can no longer afford to invest so much money abroad because it no longer has a return on its investment, as China is scooping up all the good deals because they have more money. If you don't counter that with tariffs Your done, And you don't stimulate production. And if there's no production at home, you no longer generate any money.

It's not a Trump trick; it's a dire necessity.

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Serowbot on 12/08/25 at 15:48:42

26392A39323932392E3B35395C0 wrote:

America is not in a good state at the moment.

You can say that again :-?

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Eegore on 12/08/25 at 15:48:49

"We consume too much, and the trick of printing money no longer works, because the foreign countries no longer want to pay with dollars for oil,so who wants dollars? And your tax system is broken, and there are too many fingers in the honeypot."

Tell that to the US stock market which is setting record highs.

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by zevenenergie on 12/08/25 at 15:55:15

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by MnSpring on 12/08/25 at 16:00:02

5C7777767E7761120 wrote:

"...If you make $60,000 a year or less, that percentage will be a lot higher than the 15-17% you would have paid...."

You know this, how ?

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Eegore on 12/08/25 at 16:57:40

And what do you think will happen if the AI [ch8203][ch8203]bubble bursts? How will you recover from that if China has a much higher production capacity? And you no longer receive income taxes? And the national debt explodes? And the petrodollar is gone? Where will that money come from if you can no longer print it?

I believe it is highly unlikely that all of those things will happen at once. The probability is astronomical that all of that will correlate and impact the US simultaneously.

I've gone my whole life hearing how any minute the US dollar will crash and we will all be in an apocalyptic wasteland indebted to China and there will be no cash. Instead of preparing for that, I prepared for reasonable economic outcomes using actual market data and have had no problems making it from one year to another.

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by WebsterMark on 12/09/25 at 04:19:57

My company has made the business decision to absorb the extra costs of tariffs on foreign components and not pass these along to our customers. That’s a step not every industry can afford of course.

I don’t know and I doubt a reliable number could be found that shows what % of the extra tariff costs are absorbed, paid by the originating country (through various financial techniques)or passed along and paid by the consumer.

But I will say with certainty, those crying about this extra cost being passed to the consumer are the same ones demanding higher wages and either ignoring the effect that has on the price the consumer pays or they demand the company themselves absorb the cost of what is essentially another tax on the business.

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by zevenenergie on 12/09/25 at 05:44:54

And many people complain about the high prices, and with food and fuel we have a point. But people keep consuming, and that keeps prices high. Supply and demand are something people seem to have completely lost sight of.

The fact that certain countries are now paying for oil in petro-yuan, and several countries want to follow suit, is already a scenario with serious long-term consequences.
The world will slowly but surely switch. It will take some getting used to, but it will happen. I'm not saying that all the points I mention will happen simultaneously, but they are intimately connected.

Although the AI [ch8203][ch8203]bubble is a global phenomenon, a bursting AI bubble will hit America the hardest.
All of this combined will make it very difficult for America to emerge from such a crisis.

It's mainly Western countries that are affected, because they've already focused all their economic strategies on it.
China has also invested heavily, but its stock markets haven't inflated as much.

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Needles on 12/09/25 at 06:11:56

China is going to take over the world economy. The uber-capitalist model has already failed. It sucks too much money out of circulation and into the 1% cash hoards. That cannot be allowed if a country is to survive long term. Look at virtually ANY developed country older than the US--- they all have regulations on capitalism, and most of them have better standards of living than the US. The only thing the US can claim at this point is that it's expensive to live here.

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Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by zevenenergie on 12/09/25 at 07:15:21

China can't take over the economy. The chance that the Brick,s will achieve a self-sufficient economic unity is zero.
But America must drastically reduce its national debt, because if the dollar loses confidence, loans will become very expensive, and you'll really feel that economically.

You've forgotten that you should never be a victim of anybody of anything.
And that you are, is evident in everything you say.
Needels should not revert to your sharp tongue. Heal yourself.
We are not the one who crappity smacked you.

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Needles on 12/09/25 at 07:34:28

MAGA stands for everything the US is NOT. No way in hell do they even have a talking point. The overall lack of education, common sense, awareness, and empathy means MAGATs have to become more humanist in order to have a conversation with them. MAGA's insistent stupidity is why we cannot talk.

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Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by zevenenergie on 12/09/25 at 08:57:25

What makes you think that maga,s want to talk to you?

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Needles on 12/09/25 at 14:27:40

They obviously don't. They don't want to hear anything NOT said by Orange Jesus. That's part of their delusional problem.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by zevenenergie on 12/10/25 at 01:57:21

You want to talk to them, because otherwise you wouldn't be on this site. You want to hear everything NOT said by Orange Jesus because you're simply against him. And that's why you're not realistic about what he says and does.

Magmas are generally quite realistic people, but narratives have been built against them. People have started to believe those narratives, a kind of demonization.
You wouldn't last two minutes in the company of a bunch of Magmas; you'd be exposed as a hater.
You think you're better. But contact with people is always a two-way street, so it just reflects back to you.
And then you're rejected.

That's all. They don't like you. So what? Why do you care so much?

Trump doesn't mind that people don't like him.
He's almost 80 and he kicks ass.

Do you know how piston rings were made?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSNZUzoh0ZY

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by WebsterMark on 12/10/25 at 03:41:56

243B283B303B303B2C39373B5E0 wrote:

Perfect summary zeven. The guy throws up shotgun blast after shotgun blast, hoping to hit something, but never really does. I could sit at a real bar table with leftist Sew and even thumper but that’s it. I don’t travel internationally like I used to for work, but if I did, I’d look you up, buy you a drink and talk you out of the anti-Israel flaw in your thinking.

I would only dispute the part about Trump not caring that people don’t like him. He does, desperately. He’s got very thin skin which is why he gets himself into trouble refighting battles he’s already won.

But as a reasonable American citizen, i’m fine with shutting down the border and deporting illegals with criminal records, i’m fine with blowing up drug boats smuggling drugs in, i’m fine with stopping this ridiculous transgender nonsense, I’m fine with tariffs as it’s forcing a change across the world with regards to treating the US as a giant ATM, i’m fine with 90% of what Trump is doing. I might cringe over the 10%, but I’ll take that given the past nonsense from Auto-pen Biden.

And cool story about the rings. If you’d like that kind of stuff, I think you’ll love this site: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwosUnVH6AINmxtqkNJ3Fbg

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Needles on 12/10/25 at 04:58:22

Oh, I'm not posting anything here with the intent of changing the MAGATs' "minds". MAGATs are a lost cause. All I'm doing is pointing out the ridiculous LIES the MAGATs believe, with no logical proof whatsoever. Even the pseudo lawyer, with his nit-picking and hair-splitting is showing that Trump et al only has a tentative grip on reality. I live in a MAGAT heavy area, and so far, none of the toothless, uneducated examples of humanity have been able to refute the FACTS I point out. Even the few relatively smarter ones cannot debate major MAGA selling points. And, mostly, MAGATs' problems are religion generated. They've been taught that their faith, which is just another word for belief, gives them the power to create their own reality. Then they apply that belief to the real world and, of course, encounter resistance. The religious MAGATs are the worst.

Oh, and Eyore, what is the purpose of an LLC? I'm not talking about the name, the legal classification, or overall court rulings, except as they apply to the PURPOSE of the LLC, not the legal status in your mind. Why not just be a sole proprietor, or partnership? You KNOW the answer, as does anyone who ever had such a business. Functionally, it is a corporation.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by MnSpring on 12/10/25 at 05:55:52

2C0707060E0711620 wrote:

Oh, I'm not posting anything here with the intent of changing the MAGATs' "minds". MAGATs are a lost cause. All I'm doing is pointing out the ridiculous LIES the MAGATs believe,

Totally WRONG,
AGAIN.

What you are doing is just upping the count of posts,
which ups the advertisers,
which creates more revenue.
Which is PERFECTLY OK !!!!

Title: Re: Why should I pay my taxes?
Post by Needles on 12/10/25 at 14:20:54

YOU'RE wrong again.

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