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Message started by JOG on 01/03/25 at 20:06:05

Title: A developing story
Post by JOG on 01/03/25 at 20:06:05

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/report-retired-intelligence-officer-sam-shoemate-received-email/

What to think? But this guy was a green beret. High level guy.
He builds a bomb that is just fireworks and camp stove fuel?

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Eegore on 01/03/25 at 21:25:53

Mental health case. I've seen "professionals" that are military special forces "that would never do" X-thing or Y-thing.

For instance a scenario where law enforcement killed a Navy SEAL due to "negligence" or it was "a hit", because no Navy SEAL would ever intersect a line of fire. He wasn't advancing on LEO in a threatening manner while they had guns pulled on another suspect - he was
"murdered" because no Navy SEAL would ever cross a line of fire - his expertise would have had him take out the cops from a flank. No way this expert would make such an amateur move.

Footage from StreetSide camera and a cellphone shows he did exactly that. Obviously the footage was faked though because no Navy SEAL would ever be so dumb right?

Being a Green Beret does not exclude one from using a less-efficient means of incendiary or explosive material. For all we know all he wanted to do was kill himself and burn up a Tesla.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by JOG on 01/03/25 at 23:25:55

He was in contact with people. He emailed a buncha information to a guy. It's around. His associates all stated he was fine. His life was not in shambles. He, had he wanted a Bomb, had the expertise to build a Biggun.
He was being tracked. YaKnow, a dead man can put a Tesla in front of a building.

The guy

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/report-retired-intelligence-officer-sam-shoemate-received-email/

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by zevenenergie on 01/04/25 at 01:35:56

I find the connection with the new technologies in this article and with the drones on the east coast interesting.

That vehicles have been seen, with special technology that seem to defy the laws of nature has been admitted by the Pentagon in recent years.

The combination of a Tesla, a Trump building and an explosion, is more than enough to get world wide attention.

I find it all very juicy :)

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by WebsterMark on 01/04/25 at 02:52:14

Or…..the poor man was mentally disturbed and suffering. Not everything is a conspiracy. I’ll go back to my junk yard theory. If you have a predisposed position, you can go to the junkyard, look around at random objects lying around, and use them as evidence to support a story that fits your position about someone with the stuff lying around.

I don’t understand PTSD and I only assume any of the violent things that happened to me in my life are not comparable but how would I know, I cannot make a comparison.

I was raised by my 2 aunts and one of my uncles was a WWII veteran. The stories I heard of him was that after he came back, he was never the same. My aunt did not hear from him for 30 or 45 days for a stretch during the war and he was listed as missing. No one knows what happened, but I suspect he got caught behind lines with a group of other soldiers, and it took a while for them to find a way out. I can imagine they had to fight their way out of a couple situations. He was a big, powerful man, but the quiet type. I’ve heard after he came back, he would sometimes burst into uncontrollable tears.

But here is something I don’t know. The horrors of World War II in Europe and the in the Pacific were vicious and from my outside position, far beyond anything today’s soldiers experienced in the Middle East. Were there instances of suicides due to PTSD in the middle and late 40s and even afterwards? Was the percentage of suicides comparable to what we see today? Does acknowledging PTSD exist inadvertently exacerbate someone’s symptoms of trying to be able to shake their past and what they were forced to do? I don’t know those answers.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by LANCER on 01/04/25 at 05:05:25

Comparing WW2 and current wars, assuming one is worse than the other is not valid. War is war, time is not a factor. I’m a Vietnam era vet, blood, guts and body parts all affect, regardless of the timeframe. It depends on the personal experiences of an individual and the situations they have had during their life. Additionally, and of importance, is the individuals strength of their heart and mind. What are they capable of handling physically and emotionally without losing control of themselves. WW2 soldiers lived through a much more difficult time in the 20’s and 30’s, including the depression, which greatly tested their internal strength of character. They were more prepared for difficult situations. Our population today has grown up in a much softer lifestyle than those 85 years ago. That makes a huge difference.
It is that strength of heart and mind and what their faith is based on, that makes the difference how a person responds to extraordinarily difficult and life threatening situations, and for an extended periods of time.
It’s a test that must be experienced to be appreciated, either in war or warlike situations.
Not everyone is cut out for military service, that’s why new recruits are supposed to be submitted to extreme physical and mental stresses to weed out those who cannot deal with extreme stressors and still function to protect themselves and fellow soldiers.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by zevenenergie on 01/04/25 at 05:19:03

I can imagine that someone with PTSD would do something like blow up a Tesla in front of a Trump building but not souly because of ptss. Someone with PTSD has a system that is always in survival mode but is not crazy.

This Matthew Livelsberger, is a U.S. Army Green Beret and PTSD or not, that such a person has a phygiatric disease that was not discovered during his career I think is small.

I find it interesting what is happening because many things come together here. I am sure that many people focused their attention when it was in the news.

It is of course sad that someone with PTSD does not get the necessary treatment, and especially if suicide occurs as a result. But is that the case here? I don't know.

The number of things we don't know here and the number of eyes that have been and still are focused on this, makes it remarkable to me.

But also the fact that we are heading very fast towards major change in many areas makes me a bit more alert when it comes to people who bring out strange news.
I think a lot of people will come out as whistleblowers with situations in which they themselves are involved, but which they can no longer live with, due to shifts in power and threats of war.

So I am not so inclined to dismiss this all as someone whit PTSD that took a dramatic step.

Also, people who commit suicide are not the kind of people who would do it that way. They are often driven by intense despair and are in a tunnel that they can't get out of, they drink themselves courage or use anti-anxiety drugs and use painkillers and consciousness-altering drugs to avoid having to consciously experience the eventual act.

That is not exactly a state in which you rent a Tesla, park it in front of a Tump building and then blow the car up.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by WebsterMark on 01/04/25 at 06:22:46

464B44494F58181D2A0 wrote:

Thank you, as I said I have no experience in that and I agree that it’s a unique experience that’s difficult to make comparisons with. I always hate it when athletes say it was a war out there. Everyone knows what they mean to say but maybe they could reword that a little bit.

And I think your analysis of the general mental condition of men in the early 40s versus today is probably accurate as well.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Eegore on 01/04/25 at 07:56:03

He, had he wanted a Bomb, had the expertise to build a Biggun.

That does not mean he must. Maybe he wanted to burn up a Tesla and not kill tons of people. Being an expert in something does not mean they will always use that expertise.

I can't tell you how many times people have used this logic to try to say Special Forces mistakes "could never happen" or SF guys "don't act like that". Anyone can have problems and not use their full expertise every single time.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Eegore on 01/04/25 at 08:06:38

Or…..the poor man was mentally disturbed and suffering. Not everything is a conspiracy. I’ll go back to my junk yard theory. If you have a predisposed position, you can go to the junkyard, look around at random objects lying around, and use them as evidence to support a story that fits your position about someone with the stuff lying around.

Exactly.

But here is something I don’t know. The horrors of World War II in Europe and the in the Pacific were vicious and from my outside position, far beyond anything today’s soldiers experienced in the Middle East. Were there instances of suicides due to PTSD in the middle and late 40s and even afterwards? Was the percentage of suicides comparable to what we see today? Does acknowledging PTSD exist inadvertently exacerbate someone’s symptoms of trying to be able to shake their past and what they were forced to do? I don’t know those answers.

From what I have learned, it was called "shell shock" back then and the management tools of society were different. Drinking and drugs were a huge outlet, and were more socially acceptable especially within the family structure. For instance leaving a drunk abusive father of 2 is more socially acceptable today than before.

Homelessness for WW2 vets was far less than say Vietnam, and that was less than today. I do wonder myself if "PTSD" as a term is abused, but then again most of today's treatment isn't about what the soldiers had to do, but what they experienced emotionally in regard to personal injury (mostly IED trauma) survival guilt, and negative impact on families (family more likely to break apart than in WW2).

So I'd say the differences are far too great to make a reliable comparison of battlefield trauma type, duration and intensity, mostly due to the huge changes in the "at-home" experience when the soldier returns to the US.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Serowbot on 01/04/25 at 11:40:39

‘WAKE UP!’ Read the Trump Hotel Bomber’s Chilling Messages Calling on ‘Militias’ to ‘Purge’ D.C. of Democrats
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/wake-up-read-the-trump-hotel-bombers-chilling-messages-calling-on-militias-to-purge-d-c-of-democrats/

"We are crumbling because of a lack of self respect, morales, and respect for others. Greed and gluttony has consumed us. The top 1% decided long ago they weren’t going to bring everyone else with them. You are cattle to them."

Interesting that he believed Trump and his billionaire buddies would fix this.
That's putting the fox in charge of the henhouse :-?

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by zevenenergie on 01/04/25 at 13:00:34

I think you suffered trauma when Trump was elected president.
And it was deepened by his re-election.

Wanne talk about it? ;)

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Serowbot on 01/04/25 at 13:49:59

How old are you Zev?
Your humour is infantile

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by WebsterMark on 01/04/25 at 15:13:49

3A2C3B263E2B263D490 wrote:

You’re a real dxxk Sew. A rare interesting thread and even someone who doesn’t generally waded in and you fxxked it up. Way to go.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by MnSpring on 01/04/25 at 16:49:21

'. lack of respect .'

Exactly how Liberals treated Conservatives for the last 4 years.

(And are STILL doing it)

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by JOG on 01/04/25 at 21:14:53

So,,a self inflicted 50 caliber GSW, and the people in the vicinity didn't react to the gun shot.
HE was burned beyond recognition.
His paper ID? Mehh,, injured but legible.
His ID.. Survived the inferno that burned Him beyond recognition.
Howboutthatschitt?

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Title: Re: A developing story
Post by zevenenergie on 01/05/25 at 06:46:55

That link does not conect for me.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Serowbot on 01/05/25 at 08:01:56

073532232435221D31223B500 wrote:

You’re a real dxxk Sew. A rare interesting thread and even someone who doesn’t generally waded in and you fxxked it up. Way to go.

WOW...

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Eegore on 01/05/25 at 08:19:23

If you want it to be a conspiracy anyone can find enough evidence to prove it. For instance fires can only completely burn things, and can not burn all of one thing and not all of another thing.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by zevenenergie on 01/05/25 at 08:53:53

Of course that doesn't have to be the case he could have had his ID cards and his army ID card in a bag. but the cards are plastic and they don't look melted.
My car has burned out once, and although the fire department got there fairly quickly and the outside looked about the same as his Tesla, there was little left of the upholstery of the seats and the carpet on the floor, all the plastic had melted away the carburetor was like a puddle of metal on the asphalt.

But hey it's possible.

But there's more, he was stationed at an army base in Germany so he didn't come from a mission. When I look at the picture of him he looks pretty sturdy. He was in a relationship and they just had a child. I don't know if you can remember how you felt when your children were born but I was proud as a dog with seven dicks.

(That's a Dutch expression)

And on top of that he was a military man and they are usually for Trump. So why did he want to burn a tesla for a trump hotel????

Maybe he wanted to rent a room.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Eegore on 01/05/25 at 09:34:04

Maybe he was mentally unstable. Plenty of adult males with children are not psychologically healthy, but if you want this to be a conspiracy, males with children are happy.

Images of humans with mental health issues can look "pretty sturdy" but if you want this to be a conspiracy then they do not.

Plenty of US military are anti-Trump, but if you want this to be a conspiracy none are.

All I am saying is if you want this to be a conspiracy, evidence will always be available to prove it.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by zevenenergie on 01/05/25 at 09:40:00

I,t seems to me that you want to turn this in a non conspiracy story but that is waht they want you to do..... :o

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Eegore on 01/05/25 at 10:23:19

I,t seems to me that you want to turn this in a non conspiracy story but that is waht they want you to do.

I'm open to either outcome.

The difference is I don't think half a burned ID is enough evidence because plenty of things in cars burn partially. I don't think all military are pro-Trump so that's not proof, to me, either.

I'd like more concrete evidence.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by zevenenergie on 01/05/25 at 11:20:36

Me to,
but wen is it is conspiracy you will never get it.

There is more change that he is a Trumper than he is a kamela la la.
So lets settel that this is at least remakeble.

A green beret Musk hater and a Trump hater, wants to take his life over the onfairness of the world situation and does not want to see his kid grow ub is this nasty word blows him selfub in a Tesla in font of a Trump hotel. In the back he has explosives that haven't even scratched the hotel. While he can be called an expert in explosives.

And then you say you buff that right out with ptsd.
I think you can buff it out with shell shock, but that is something completely different than ptsd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWHbF5jGJY0

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by WebsterMark on 01/05/25 at 11:33:01

I’ve known two people who killed themselves. Both were surprising on one hand, but on the other, in retrospect with the benefit of 2020, if you had listed 20 people I know, both those men would have been in my top five as possible suicide but still totally surprising.

For those of us who this action would never occur to, we naturally look for alternative explanations, but the unfortunate reality is, we don’t know what’s going on between someone’s ears. If someone’s got a broken leg, we can see that but we can’t see a broken mind.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by WebsterMark on 01/05/25 at 11:36:46

1204130E16030E15610 wrote:

[quote author=073532232435221D31223B500 link=1735963565/0#13 date=1736032429]
You’re a real dxxk Sew. A rare interesting thread and even someone who doesn’t generally waded in and you fxxked it up. Way to go.

WOW...[/quote]

It’s true man. You offer very little of value. Virtually every post is some variation of how bad Trump has fxxked your brain. You’re creeping into Thumper category. FFS man….maybe make it a 2025 resolution that every 3rd post not be about Trump. ;)

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Serowbot on 01/05/25 at 12:39:24

The topic here is a Rightwinger nutjob Trump fanatic suicided in a Musk owned Tesla in front of a Trump hotel leaving a manifesto calling for the end by any means of all Democrats
... and you want to leave Trump out of it?

He was driven to this by Trump and MAGA
..but let's not talk about it

And follow the rules of engagement here before I put my foot down
I'm biting my tongue right now
Behave like an adult

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by zevenenergie on 01/05/25 at 12:48:24

I would like to say that the polarity is very big in America. If you give your opinion here, you are immediately put in a camp. You are quickly measured as an identity here.
I don't know of any other country where that is so strong. And it also determines the discussions here that can now also get very heated.

You can't blame Trump for that. It is rather the other way around. We, together, make a man like Trump. And we, together, also make a woman like Kamela.

The Chinese, together, make a man like Xi.

It is impossible the other way around.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by zevenenergie on 01/05/25 at 13:06:08

And Serobot I think something triggered you It must have been my comment but I have no dislike for you or anyone else on the forum. and if I hurt you it was not my intention.

You call for maturity, because otherwise...!

You have not been in the role of moderator here for a long time, and that is not necessary as far as I am concerned. But you cannot exercise a certain authority either.

Even if you do have that as a moderator of this site, it is inappropriate at this moment given the content of the topic where nothing shocking happens. We are all grown up people.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Serowbot on 01/05/25 at 13:59:29

514E5D4E454E454E594C424E2B0 wrote:

We are all grown up people.

Really?

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by MnSpring on 01/05/25 at 14:00:29

7E5E5C54495E3B0 wrote:

"... but if you want this to be a conspiracy, ..."

And Teddy, NEVER KILLED,
Mary Jo,
Because he was DRUNK !!!!!!

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by WebsterMark on 01/05/25 at 14:08:47

3F293E233B2E23384C0 wrote:

Bull$hit. A rare conversation with a rare participant and you couldn’t resist from putting your TDS on full display and now you’re gonna put your little fair and balanced foot down? Give me a freaking break.

Title: Re: A developing story
Post by Serowbot on 01/05/25 at 14:50:01

We're done here