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Message started by WebsterMark on 12/14/24 at 04:06:21

Title: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/14/24 at 04:06:21

OK, this is a topic that could make me walk away from Trump. I want permanent daylight savings time, not permanent standard time.

I don’t care if it’s dark in the morning, I want light as long as possible in the evenings. For one thing, I’m shocked that as a golfer he would even consider this. After work, it’s great to go out and play nine holes of golf which would be impossible for much of the summer if we went to standard time.

You idiot leftist impeached Trump for nothing, no reason at all, but this would be something to impeach a president over!

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by Eegore on 12/14/24 at 04:54:09

I imagine he doesn't realize what Standard means or will result in.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by JOG on 12/14/24 at 04:58:30

don’t care if it’s dark in the morning, I want light as long as possible in the evenings.

Couldn't agree more.
Maybe it's just more 4D chess. Announce the Intention that will bring backlash.
Listen to The People,
Change direction
Do the Will of The People
Establish a relationship
I'm here to hear The People.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by thumperclone on 12/14/24 at 05:45:23

instead of one or the other go with a half hour change

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by blod on 12/14/24 at 07:22:26

Where I live in Saskatchewan the clocks never go back or forward. Right now it is not light until 9am.
Provinces either side of us change, the result being I never know what the time is elsewhere.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by JOG on 12/14/24 at 07:38:09

4458455D405542535C5F5E55300 wrote:

instead of one or the other go with a half hour change

I've had the same thought.
Why not?

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by blod on 12/14/24 at 07:47:28

4B7E6D756E696D7E680C0 wrote:

[quote author=4458455D405542535C5F5E55300 link=1734177981/0#3 date=1734183923]instead of one or the other go with a half hour change

I've had the same thought.
Why not? [/quote]

Because not everyone will do the same.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by ThumperPaul on 12/14/24 at 08:17:17

I don't care one way or the other, but stop flipping back and forth. That just messes with my biorhythm.

In Houston, during daylight savings time in summer, it's light until 9pm. It wouldn't bother me if it was getting dark at 8pm.

Conversely, in winter under standard time, I don't like it getting dark at 5pm and it wouldn't bother me if sunset was at 6pm.

Move to the equator. Problem solved.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/14/24 at 08:24:31

5267746C7770746771150 wrote:

[quote author=4458455D405542535C5F5E55300 link=1734177981/0#3 date=1734183923]instead of one or the other go with a half hour change

I've had the same thought.
Why not? [/quote]

No. That compromise satisfies no one. Maximum weight in the evenings is what 99% of the people want.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/14/24 at 08:26:22

5474767E6374110 wrote:

I imagine he doesn't realize what Standard means or will result in.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by ThumperPaul on 12/14/24 at 09:56:50

734146575041566945564F240 wrote:

[quote author=5474767E6374110 link=1734177981/0#1 date=1734180849]
I imagine he doesn't realize what Standard means or will result in.

I think you’re right. In 2022 when this was brought up, he was in favor of it. I think someone just asked him and off the cuff and because it was daylight savings time at the time, I think that’s what he was thinking. Again, he’s a golfer. All golfers want light in the evening during the summer as long as possible.[/quote]

Unless you're an early morning summer golfer in Houston trying to beat the heat. You should come down here and play a round from 4pm-8pm and tell me how much you enjoy it. :-/

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by Eegore on 12/14/24 at 13:28:32

Unless you're an early morning summer golfer in Houston trying to beat the heat. You should come down here and play a round from 4pm-8pm and tell me how much you enjoy it.

I asked my property manager in FL what he would prefer and he said the same thing basically: "We all golf in the mornings. Evening golf is hot with inconsistent weather. You have never paid for afternoon golf, I mean work meetings."

https://goocalagolf.com/what-is-the-best-time-to-play-golf-in-florida/

https://dte.golf/florida-golf-season-101/

In Southern Colorado it's entirely seasonal. Mornings in the spring and summer, evenings in the fall, hardcore only in the winter. Ice Ballers.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by ThumperPaul on 12/14/24 at 14:26:09

You’ll only see a handful of young guys playing after 1pm in the summer here. Twilight rates start at like 2pm if you want to pay half price and risk a heat stroke. In addition to the oppressive heat, the afternoons are also prone to wicked thunderstorms.

Only people with half a brain play after noon in the summer. I have golfed in January in the afternoon when it’s in the 60s-70s and nice.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/14/24 at 15:05:54

0E322F372A3F280A3B2F365A0 wrote:

[quote author=734146575041566945564F240 link=1734177981/0#9 date=1734193582][quote author=5474767E6374110 link=1734177981/0#1 date=1734180849]
I imagine he doesn't realize what Standard means or will result in.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by Serowbot on 12/15/24 at 07:20:24

Trump's in the dark on a lot of things

See what I did there? 8-)

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by ThumperPaul on 12/15/24 at 07:49:15

Tricky thingy eliminated ST in Jan ‘74 and made DST permanent. That didn’t last long and most states reverted back to flip-flopping in Oct ‘74.

Aside: I wrote President Nixon a letter when I was in elementary school. He actually sent me a letter back - mostly a form letter with a stamped signature, but it was a bit customized based on what I wrote. I had thoughts and ideas about the space program. I have it saved in a keep-safe stored in the attic somewhere. Probably right next to my baseball card collection that I haven’t dug out in about 18 years when we moved into our current home.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by zevenenergie on 12/15/24 at 10:50:40

I want noon to be at the higest position of the sun. 8-)

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by thumperclone on 12/15/24 at 14:03:19

77687B68636863687F6A64680D0 wrote:

I want noon to be at the higest position of the sun. 8-)

depends on what time of year it is

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/15/24 at 14:36:46

I just got my bike ( 2013 BMW F700) out for a really quick ride before it got dark because it’s been a while and it’s gonna get cold and rainy for the rest of the week. As motorcyclist, we should want it to be light as long as possible in the evening.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by zevenenergie on 12/16/24 at 02:53:01

That's a strong argument, but then noon would be at 11 for the rest of our lives.

Maybe we could have noon at 12 and have all activities an hour earlier. Would that work for you?

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by thumperclone on 12/16/24 at 03:32:02

what if we adopt ZULU time ;)

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/16/24 at 04:20:34

4E5142515A515A5146535D51340 wrote:

That's a strong argument, but then noon would be at 11 for the rest of our lives.

Maybe we could have noon at 12 and have all activities an hour earlier. Would that work for you?

Why does noon being equal to the sun’s highest point matter?

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by Serowbot on 12/16/24 at 07:26:30

340601101706112E021108630 wrote:

Why does noon being equal to the sun’s highest point matter?

Because.... Cowboy movies :-?

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by zevenenergie on 12/16/24 at 10:10:44

[quote

Why does noon being equal to the sun’s highest point matter? [/quote]

Noon has been used historically as a social and cultural marker—often for rituals, prayers, and events tied to the Sun’s movement.

No point in doing that at 11 clock.
Just because you, want to drive your BMW in the evening.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by zevenenergie on 12/16/24 at 11:04:26

I'm being funny about it, but I'll explain it briefly.

If you consider the actual position of the sun (the true solar time), noon is indeed the middle point between sunrise and sunset. This is called solar noon, the moment when the sun reaches its highest point in the sky.

I don't know if you've ever looked at a sunset and been enchanted by its beauty. This is not only because of the image you see; it is also an energetic moment. Many yogis meditate during the transition from day to night because they harness the energetic power that exists at that time.

Noon is precisely the moment in between.
In our modern "civilization," we no longer have a conscious awareness of these moments. But that doesn't mean they aren't important for our functioning.

You probably know the saying, "Every hour of sleep before midnight counts as double."Go to bed at ten o'clock and
Around midnight, you enter REM sleep, which then transitions into deeper stages, aligned with this energetic moment.

If you think that the position of the sun—and by extension, twilight—has no effect, consider this: the moon, which is much farther away, influences the tides on Earth.

In the same way, all the planets in our solar system exert a profound influence on us and the events that take place on Earth.

There is an entire science dedicated to this called astrology. And I don't mean the kind you read in the newspaper. I mean going to a real astrologer who can explain, on a soul level, what challenges and opportunities you might encounter in the coming year and how you can use them for the development of your soul.

When I talk about development, I mean the unfolding of your divine nature—consciousness, love, joy, and more.

De-envelopment of the soul.The ancients who created our language were so much more in touch.

Then you might also understand why time changes (daylight saving time, etc.) are energetically harmful to us. They are disruptive not only to sensitive people but also to those who are less sensitive.

And when I say "sensitive people," don't read that as "weak people." That’s often our first thought, which is understandable. But to truly "come to your senses" requires effort and courage.

I understand that you come to your senses while riding your BMW in the evening. That’s why it feels so enjoyable. You are the yogi among us.
You wouldn’t do badly as Zulu [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

It is real 8-)

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/16/24 at 11:22:16

3A2536252E252E2532272925400 wrote:

[quote

Why does noon being equal to the sun’s highest point matter?

Noon has been used historically as a social and cultural marker—often for rituals, prayers, and events tied to the Sun’s movement.

No point in doing that at 11 clock.
Just because you, want to drive your BMW in the evening.
[/quote]

Actually, yes, there is. Quality of life, recreation, and it’s an economic benefit to business. Again, I’ll go back to my golf league analogy. I play in a summer golf league with a couple hundred people and without daylight savings time, it would shut down.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/16/24 at 11:27:23

In the same way, all the planets in our solar system exert a profound influence on us and the events that take place on Earth.

Since you mentioned thins right after your comment about the moon, I’m going to make the assumption that you think the gravitational influence of the planets has some kind of physical reaction to fluids in our bodies which drives moods, or has some other tangible physical reaction.

In a word: no.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by zevenenergie on 12/16/24 at 11:34:50

True quality of life comes from a subtle force within us. A person can be happy in a haystack and a jute sack. But you would also enjoy golf and money much more if you were in touch with that force.

Anyway I am trying to find a solution for your situation.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by zevenenergie on 12/16/24 at 11:54:48

1A282F3E39283F002C3F264D0 wrote:

In astrology it is believed that planets emit vibrations or energetic vibrations that have a subtle effect on our emotions, thoughts and behavior.
You have to see it this way Your nervous system is a very refined network in your body. But the nerve endings do not stop at the border of your body the energy that flows through them reaches outside the body in the form of "nadis lines" and in this way you are in contact with the universe, those nadis lines come back into your body in energy points called chakras. They in turn are in contact with your endocrine glands that determine your hormone balance.
Planets and the moon influence these "nadis lines" which are energy paths outside your body.

At the moment that your mother's water breaks, the nadis lines of you as a baby align with the position of the planets. The position of the planets at that moment is a certain image that we call your zodiac sign. So when the planets change position, this has a different effect on everyone due to the fixed position of your nadi,s at birth.

The place where you are born also has an influence.
But also the place where you are.
That is why you can experience what you buy abroad as beautiful but when you are home you don't like it anymore.
It all has to do with the planets that influence your nadis.

And thus so also your mood and your hormones.

So it also affects your interaction with others. and much more than that. A good astrologer can see all the important things in your life and all the important things that are going to happen by the position of the planets in relation to your birth horoscope.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by zevenenergie on 12/16/24 at 12:15:06

That's why I want Noon at twelve o'clock.
It is something that comes from the ancients. How unbelievably is that astrology, Those pyramids, the mystical.

How unbelievably arrogant have we become. (i don't mean you personally)

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by JOG on 12/16/24 at 13:19:59

The insidious nature of the toxicity of The Industrialized Society isn't something many people engage in Thought Experiments about. Because of how society works, families grow away from their core. Young people move away from their parents and grandparents, cutting themselves off from the Wisdom of the Ages. To climb the corporate ladder, or to go out in the world, to try to make their mark. Hop in the WayBack machine and see families living on Their Land. Kids,grown up, mom and dad, Gramma and Grampa, multi generations, and the knowledge that is available to the youth,, good stuff. Well, unless someone Got Woke. Then it all goes to schitt.
The ubiquitous lightbulb. WE can decide when, or if, it gets dark. The subtle effects of going against our own circadian rhythm aren't obvious, in part because nobody knows anyone who lives Naturally, so seeing the effects of Not living in accordance with Nature isn't happening.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by zevenenergie on 12/16/24 at 13:57:01

764350485354504355310 wrote:

The subtle effects of going against our own circadian rhythm aren't obvious, in part because nobody knows anyone who lives Naturally, so seeing the effects of Not living in accordance with Nature isn't happening.

I think those effects are visible.

In ourselves as uncertainty, despair, unrest, depression, anger, indecisiveness, constant thinking, despair etc. And in the outside world as all forms of injustice, war and abuse etc.

We just started to take it for granted.

But it is the effect of forgetting what your first nature is.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by JOG on 12/16/24 at 14:25:00

I think those effects are visible.
You've Thought about it. The average person doesn't.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/16/24 at 14:25:03

I am not denying negative affects from technology and how we’ve changed our lifestyles over the ages. As someone who has traveled for the better part of 35 years, I’ve seen the significant difference in something as simple as a hotel bar. Decades ago, everybody sat and talked to the stranger next to them and made their new 60 minute best friend. I still remember people from 20 or 30 years ago like this. Now, the hotel bar frequented by business travelers often, not always, but often, looks like a church with everyone head’s bowed in prayer.

But secondly, I’m not neglecting the amazing advantages from technology. And if people didn’t pack up and move away, we would all be isolated on the East Coast. My daughter lives 1000 miles away from me and it’s no fun, but she is creating her own life, her own story. The world needs people like that.

And I’m sorry, but the gravitational effect of the planets has zero influence on any person. I’m not an engineer, and certainly not an aerospace engineer, but I’ve been in technical industries all my whole life, and I’ve gathered enough information over the years that I could easily pass as an engineer. And I know enough to know, from a mathematical point of view, the planets can line up all they want, but the gravitational effect on a human is as close to zero as a number can be.

Again, that’s not to say, nature doesn’t influence us directly, or even subliminally, because I’m sure that it does.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by JOG on 12/16/24 at 17:53:51

My mom was a dispatcher for a small town police department in Oklahoma. She told me that the calls increased in number and in Weirdness every full moon. I've talked to people about that because I thought it was BS. I talked to someone who was also a dispatcher. She agreed. It doesn't seem possible to me. I've never seen it in my life, but there are people who are, apparently, affected.
I'm not standing on that, because it just doesn't Seem reasonable, but why would my mom pump a load of crap? And why did the other woman agree? Mehh,, I dunno.
It would be interesting to see the call logs over a span of time and see if there is a variation in number of calls and the reasons and see if they correlate to the moon.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/16/24 at 20:07:04

Full Moon, Crescent Moon, new Moon, it doesn’t matter. The moon is still there. The mass of the moon is what creates gravity not what you can see because it happens to be at an angle where light is reflecting back to you.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by JOG on 12/16/24 at 20:24:16

I get it. I'm not convinced either. I totally agree that the moon ,as important as it is for life on earth, because of how it affects the oceans, doesn't have any Discernible effect on Me. And yet, I've had a whopping Two reports from dispatchers that says it matters.

A Very quick search

There is no scientific evidence to support the idea that the full moon has any direct effect on human behavior or mood123. In fact, multiple scientific studies have failed to find any significant correlation between the full moon cycle and human behavior3. The only exception is sleep, as participants slept five fewer minutes on nights when the moon was full2. The belief that the full moon causes mental or physical changes in human behavior is a popular legend4.
Learn more

It's the Dammo Werewolf movies, man!
Well,,
participants slept five fewer minutes on nights when the moon was full..
Just exactly how much chaos can a guy create in five lousy minnits?
Well, Lon Cheney was a master,,

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by zevenenergie on 12/17/24 at 01:34:35

I still want noon to be at the moment when the sun is at its highest.
It is not for nothing that we have had a pause then since ancient times. It is a moment where we can come into contact with the subtle forces within us, a kind of portal.

We now do all kinds of things based on ideas and desires that we have and that is usually what drives us.

But it is a filter. If you take a moment and sit quietly in nature, you will quickly see that all those thoughts dissolve. There is still a thinking mind left, but then you see that it disturbs you.

It is possible to calm the mind, but it can also dissolve completely. These are what we call spiritual experiences because the filter falls away and suddenly you experience who you really are. You experience your first nature.

We have all had such an experience at some point, and it is enormously refreshing. Just like a night's sleep is refreshing.

Now it is so that everything around us the trees the animals the cosmos all live in this state of refreshment. Except man. because he has the filter of thinking that he has come to believe that he is.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with technology and modern comfort. But without feeling that subtle power within us we are unhappy and we know no satisfaction and we experience a lack and we want to fill that. We are not grounded.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/17/24 at 03:36:14

Our point of views are not very far apart. I’ve been fortunate the last couple of years to go on some amazing off-road motorcycle trips through the Colorado mountains. The great thing about a trip like that is you can’t get there in a car so you get to see things other people never see and some of those images are locked in my brain forever. I saw the total eclipse this year, which is the second time I’ve seen that and it’s been a borderline spiritual experience both times.

I went camping a few weeks ago with my brother on a motorcycle trip. We camped next to a spring fed river in the southern Missouri Ozarks and the temperature dropped near freezing. That was unexpected and we weren’t prepared. The ground was too cold so I got up a couple hours before sunrise sat in a chair with my sleeping bag over the top of me. I’m sure I looked like a teepee or something! I couldn’t go back to sleep but I just listened to everything going on as a new day began.

Those are the experiences you’re talking about and you’re correct, they are somewhat spiritual. They are a grounding in a sense. There is no cell phone coverage, there are no people around, we slept on the gravel by the river so the bikes were left 100 yards away, so we couldn’t even see them.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by WebsterMark on 12/17/24 at 03:38:18

4471627A6166627167030 wrote:

I wonder if the experience of those dispatchers and other reports are easily explainable: because a full moon provides more light, there’s more nefarious activities or just more people out enjoying the view, which statistically creates more incidents. Maybe it’s something as simple as that, I don’t know.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by thumperclone on 12/17/24 at 04:37:44

[quote author=485744575C575C5740555B57320 link=1734177981/30#37 date=1734428075]I still want noon to be at the moment when the sun is at its highest.

noon "time" will change daily and season to season

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by JOG on 12/17/24 at 04:58:39

noon "time" will change daily and season to season
Says TC..

not quite,Says I

Noon in solar time occurs when the sun is at its highest point in the sky for the day, and it is either due south or due north of the observer depending on the latitude.
The Location of the sun ,In the sky,it's Highest point, changes,
The Time it is at its highest point is Solar noon.

That happens at the same Time, just the elevation above the horizon changes.
The seasons don't change When solar noon is.
Just where the sun is above the horizon.

Some globes have a weird looking 8 on them. It's a graph of the suns path, if you took the location of the sun at noon every day for a year.

An analemma is a diagram that shows the annual variation of the Sun's position on the celestial sphere, relative to its mean position, as seen from a fixed location on Earth. (The word analemma is also occasionally, but rarely, used in other contexts.) It can be considered as an image of the Sun's apparent motion during a year, which resembles a figure-8. An analemma can be pictured by superimposing photographs taken at the same time of day, a few days apart for a year.

Title: Re: Permanent daylight savings time
Post by thumperclone on 12/17/24 at 09:57:43

time on the clock will not be the same...