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Message started by JOG on 11/27/24 at 13:02:26

Title: Must Not Allow Trump to Succeed
Post by JOG on 11/27/24 at 13:02:26

If it means start WWIII before he takes office, So Be IT! And that looks like what THEY, (Because Joe checked Out) are doing.

Title: Re: Must Not Allow Trump to Succeed
Post by TheBabyDerp on 11/27/24 at 14:43:19

yep

Title: Re: Must Not Allow Trump to Succeed
Post by thumperclone on 11/28/24 at 10:37:43

1124372F3433372432560 wrote:

If it means start WWIII before he takes office, So Be IT! And that looks like what THEY, (Because Joe checked Out) are doing.

of course it's Dem's fault Putin invaded Ukraine
the Dem's fault Iran is spreading terror
you better be afraid of the Dem's they are all powerful controlling the world
NOT

Title: Re: Must Not Allow Trump to Succeed
Post by JOG on 11/28/24 at 11:26:15

Well, the missiles that are being delivered require training and special codes to launch them. That means We have to put someone There to program them and launch them. That put US at war with Russia. That you refuse to understand Why Putin went in doesn't remove Our responsibility for everything that has happened. We have bases that are Minutes away from being hit. Your grasp of what is happening and why is completely wrong.

Title: Re: Must Not Allow Trump to Succeed
Post by Eegore on 11/28/24 at 12:57:11

Well, the missiles that are being delivered require training and special codes to launch them. That means We have to put someone There to program them and launch them.

That's not necessarily true. ATACMS have been in use in other countries without US military personally manning the launch platforms. "Codes" are unique anyway so there's no transfer of use in regard to that. Where did you hear US personnel must operate the platforms?

I talked to an MRLS tech that I went to Iraq with and he claims training is: "standard where anyone that can read and understand symbols could use the platform within a month" Considering we've been engaging in cross training for over a year it seems completely reasonable to me that Ukrainian soldiers could operate an MRLS with ATACMS without issue by now.

I also talked to the Director at the Defense Ammunition Center in McAlester, OK. He states full course training is 18 days and that "Intermediate range" ballistic launch weaponry does not mandate US operation. The course is known as AMMO 38 and can be found here:

https://defenseammunitioncenter.army.mil/trngdirectorate/classroomtrng/ammo38.html

This does not mean I am saying that there under no circumstance has ever been a US soldier in Ukraine, that Biden is not corrupt, and that Putin and Trump play golf together. It only means I have seen these platforms in use without US personnel operating them, and my personal Observations of the words coming from humans who operate them and one human who manages the direct education for the US Army indicate that US personnel are not required to operate the ATACMS system. I've simply not heard of this platform requiring US staff on the ground.

Title: Re: Must Not Allow Trump to Succeed
Post by JOG on 11/28/24 at 15:30:33

Arright, sounds more likely, actually. I was under the impression that the Codes were National Security level stuff and never shared . But,what you said makes more sense.

Title: Re: Must Not Allow Trump to Succeed
Post by Eegore on 11/28/24 at 15:48:12

Arright, sounds more likely, actually. I was under the impression that the Codes were National Security level stuff and never shared . But,what you said makes more sense.

I did find some information indicating we gave Ukraine "ICBMs" which alludes to nukes, but since they were all social media posts or clickbait websites I will say they are less reliable than other sources. Obviously it sounds worse to say we are giving up "National Security" secrets instead of just saying the US allowed the use of the longer range missiles that have been over there for months now.

Title: Re: Must Not Allow Trump to Succeed
Post by JOG on 11/28/24 at 16:13:01

Not interested in How it Sounds. My original post said nothing about that.
What I read lead me to believe that.
I no longer do.
Unlike so many here,I do admit being wrong and change my thinking.

Title: Re: Must Not Allow Trump to Succeed
Post by Eegore on 11/28/24 at 19:00:19

Not interested in How it Sounds. My original post said nothing about that.

Agreed. It was my post that brought it up. My assessment is that Social Media and websites that gain revenue by clicks/re-shares will use the ICBM/Biden's handing out launch codes to agitate readers or get money.

I believe they are lying and using these terms because that information is easier to repeat objectively truthful information.