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Title: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read this Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/24 at 05:09:49 (for Harris or any Democrat) “The U.S. is experiencing its largest immigration wave in generations, driven by millions of people from around the world seeking personal safety and economic opportunity. Immigrants are swelling the population and changing the makeup of the U.S. labor force in ways that are likely to reverberate through the economy for decades. Since the end of 2020, more than nine million people have migrated to the U.S., after subtracting those who have left, coming both legally and illegally, according to estimates and projections from the Congressional Budget Office. That’s nearly as many as the number that came in the previous decade. Immigration has lifted U.S. population growth to almost 1.2% a year, the highest since the early 1990s. Without it, the U.S. population would be growing 0.2% a year because of declining birthrates and would begin shrinking around 2040, the CBO projects. “ Full article: https://www.wsj.com/economy/how-immigration-remade-the-u-s-labor-force-716c18ee?st=eptpegpso8jze7v |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by thumperclone on 09/04/24 at 06:04:38 lest you forget we are a nation of immigrates |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/24 at 07:21:28 No, we are not. All countries have immigrants and that’s not the issue. I know this is beyond your partisan brain to understand but we’re talking about illegal immigrants not legal immigrants. It’s an important distinction but we are not a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of citizens of which a valuable portion are legal immigrants. And don’t even pretend you read the article because I know you didn’t. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by MnSpring on 09/04/24 at 08:06:46 Immigrants coming to this Nation, In the last decade. Are not even REMOTELY like, the last Immigrants, who came to this NATION, for the last 25 Decades. It used to be, a person came to this Nation, to be PART OF THIS GREAT NATION. Not any more !!!!!! Today, the majority come to this Nation, So they can HIDE, And Not pay any Taxes. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by zevenenergie on 09/04/24 at 08:16:01 5F6D6A7B7C6D7A45697A63080 wrote:
But it is true that the native population of Amerika also had to deal with immigrants with a completely different culture, who did not want to adapt and who also came to improve their future. The immigrants even turned against them. There is now little left of that people but there are still many films in which they can be seen. So if you drive around a group of immigrants with your friends in your cars and you shoot at them, then that is a bad omen. Then your civilization is almost at an end. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by thumperclone on 09/04/24 at 08:26:30 there are no native Americans... |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by zevenenergie on 09/04/24 at 08:57:54 5D415C44594C5B4A4546474C290 wrote:
Can you actually comprehend a text that consists of more than one line? Because I didn't write about native americans... |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/24 at 09:38:33 26392A39323932392E3B35395C0 wrote:
But it is true that the native population of Amerika also had to deal with immigrants with a completely different culture, who did not want to adapt and who also came to improve their future. The immigrants even turned against them. [color=#00ff00]Exactly. Why would I want to turn the US into what’s represented in Mexico, central and South America?m There is now little left of that people but there are still many films in which they can be seen. They had their chance but got stuck in tribal communities who fought against each other. The reality is Europe thrived because of Christianity. So if you drive around a group of immigrants with your friends in your cars and you shoot at them, then that is a bad omen. No one’s doing that. Then your civilization is almost at an end. [/color][/quote] |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/24 at 09:41:52 5448554D504552434C4F4E45200 wrote:
I am Native American and you probably are too. I can trace back 5 generations of family living here in the US. If your family tree extends more than 2 or 3 generations in the US, you’re as much native as what in the old days we called Indians. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by WebsterMark on 09/04/24 at 09:42:20 6D7261727972797265707E72170 wrote:
Can you actually comprehend a text that consists of more than one line?no, he cannot. Because I didn't write about native americans...[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by thumperclone on 09/04/24 at 10:13:01 yes you did! But it is true that the native population of Amerika also had to deal with immigrants [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by MnSpring on 09/04/24 at 10:13:03 485744575C575C5740555B57320 wrote:
Again, 'Immigrants' came to N America to IMPROVE ! The Immigrants, coming to N America, last decade, are TEARING things down. (Wonder if the Romans did any improvement to the Netherlands ?) |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by MnSpring on 09/04/24 at 10:28:17 Quote:
That is rather fenen stupid !!!!!!!!!!!!! Going from North to South: “…The continent of North America has been inhabited by humans for at least 16,500 years. …” “… In 1590, the Spanish missionary Fray Jose de Acosta produced the first written record to suggest a land bridge connecting Asia to North America….” “… The two voyages of Bering, the first in 1724 and the second in 1741, confirmed what many people living on the Chukchi Peninsula already knew. That there was land and even people across the water; people who had been trading and traveling across the Bering Strait for thousands of years. …” “… Hopkins worked with Mary Edwards, Claudia Hofle, and Victoria Goetcheus Wolf, to confirm the age of plants frozen in a layer of ash from an eruption at Devil Mountain 18,000 years ago. The age of the plant matter found in the ash coincided with the last proposed opening of the land bridge. The ash covered a wide area of what would have been the middle of the land bridge (north to south) 18,000 years ago.The findings from their collaboration helped to confirm that the type of vegetation on the land bridge had been more diverse than originally thought. …” Going from South to North. So, no one came to N America ? No one from South America ? No one from Central America ? I am ALSO a NATIVE, North American !!!!! |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by thumperclone on 09/04/24 at 10:40:26 51724F6C6E75727B1C0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by zevenenergie on 09/04/24 at 10:55:53 617D607865706776797A7B70150 wrote:
[/quote] Before European settlers arrived and displaced the native people, often referred to as "Indians," the land that is now known as America did not have a uniform name as we know it today. Native peoples used different names for their habitats, based on their own languages [ch8203][ch8203]and cultural perspectives. There was a native population... |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by zevenenergie on 09/04/24 at 14:05:26 2E0D3013110A0D04630 wrote:
Again, 'Immigrants' came to N America to IMPROVE ! The Immigrants, coming to N America, last decade, are TEARING things down. (Wonder if the Romans did any improvement to the Netherlands ?) [/quote] The Romans built forts, roads, and settlements, and introduced new technologies But they dominated the original inhabitants. It is vaguely said that they brought civilization to the Babarians. But the original tribes at that time had a shamanic culture. The shamanic culture was a nature religion where the well-being of man was paramount and was suppressed by the Romans. Later when the Christian faith came up, Christianity completely destroyed the shamanic culture. A fake religion came in its place with corrupt and perverse leaders. Just look at the inquisition, and the widespread child abuse and the many crimes in Jesus name. It is degeneration of humanity and the Romans started it. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by Serowbot on 09/04/24 at 16:03:38 In't that nice :-? |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/24 at 03:43:39 For decades, religious Americans have been the core of American conservatism. Every cycle, they faithfully turn out to the polls, understanding their civic duty in terms of Christian responsibility. But in return, the GOP too often steamrolls them. Party elites hollow out the towns and neighborhoods of ordinary Americans with policies that serve Wall Street. Supposedly “rock-solid” Supreme Court picks do their best to drive faith out of the public square. And on Capitol Hill, religious concerns are relegated to the backwater of “values” issues, as if policymaking is somehow value-free. At the end of the day, the GOP consultant class is simply embarrassed by the fact that so much of their base actually believes in God. If objecting to this betrayal means that I’m advocating some form of Christian nationalism—well, I am. Is there any other kind worth having? Most nationalisms have a bloody history, from Rome’s militarism to pagan ethnocentrism to fascist totalitarianism. But the Christian version of nationalism—the healthy patriotism that built America—was something altogether different. Christian nationalism is not a threat to our democracy. Quite the opposite. Christian nationalism founded our democracy. As first articulated by St. Augustine, the Christian idea of the nation is founded on common affection. A nation, Augustine said, is nothing other than a multitude of rational creatures united by common loves. In America, that means the dignity of labor, the sanctity of home, and the love of family and God. This Christian nationalism has given us much. For instance: limited government, liberty of conscience, and popular sovereignty. Thanks to our Christian heritage, we protect the freedom of all to speak and assemble. It is only because of our Christian tradition that we welcome people of all races to join a nation constituted not by blood but by common loves. The crisis of our time springs from the left’s determination to destroy the loves that unite us, to replace God, home, and work with the religion of the trans flag. But it is the right that is failing our country more acutely. When they should be defending the nation, by defending the things that make us a nation, they’re busy tending the dying embers of neo-liberalism. They reread dog-eared copies of John Stuart Mill and Ayn Rand, and invoke the “three-legged stool” of fusionism with all the pathos of a verbal tic. That will no longer suffice. To save the nation, conservatives must recover the Christian tradition on which the nation subsists. That means listening to voters—not the consultants who want to wish them away. Republicans can start by defending the common man’s work. Republicans of the Bush-Romney era have too often championed libertarian economics and corporate interests over working people. Their fusionist faith has become one-note: money first, people last. That must change. In the choice between capital and labor, between money and people, it’s time for Republicans to get back to their Christian and nationalist roots and prioritize the working man. Why should labor ever be taxed more than capital? Why should families get less tax relief than corporations? One reason Republicans in recent years have not put the working man first is that they haven’t been willing to put the working man’s family first. A party of a Christian nation must defend the family. Happy and hopeful people have children. Yet fewer and fewer Americans do. Perhaps that’s because the economy Republicans have championed—the globalist, corporatist economy they helped create—is bad for the family. To put family first, make it easy to have children. And put Mom and Dad back in the home. Conservatives should make it our policy to get American workers a family wage. That means one wage a family can live on—and that will enable parents to raise their children themselves, as they see fit. Finally, conservatives must defend the common man’s religion. Of all the affections that bind together society, none is more powerful than religious affection, a shared vision of transcendent truth. Every nation observes a civil religion. Even the left wants religion: witness their insistence on Pride Month and pronouns. We want the old-time religion of the Bible. I have a suggestion. Take the trans flags down from our public buildings and inscribe instead, on every building owned or operated by the federal government, our national motto: In God We Trust. And here’s another idea: Don’t back down on the moral questions that matter. Don’t give in to the pressure to redefine marriage or disregard unborn life. Never turn your back on working people. Stand up for the perennial principles that transcend this and every election. Work, home, God. These are the things Americans love together, that sustain our common life—that make us a nation. Not every citizen of America is a Christian, obviously. But every citizen is heir to the loves, to the liberties, to the common purpose our Christian tradition gives us. Working Americans deserve a Republican Party willing to fight for that inheritance. This essay is adapted from a speech delivered at the 2024 National Conservatism Conference. Josh Hawley is a U.S. senator for Missouri. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by LANCER on 09/05/24 at 04:00:06 Amen |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by Serowbot on 09/05/24 at 07:22:29 Jesus He wasn't a problem until the Right made him one Help the needy, feed the hungry, heal the sick, love the unloved Where is Trump on that? Where are you? |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/24 at 07:38:08 He also said I’ve not come to unite, but to divide. I’ve come to turn a mother against her son, and a father against his daughter. Point is, more than anyone else, the words of Jesus Christ have been used as a club by many different people. The same words can be used on both sides of the battle, and each think they’re correct. I support the conservative ideology because I believe it to be more moral than the liberal ideology. Opening the border and swamping our country is not compassionate to the people inside this country or the countries losing people who just want a chance to raise their children and safety. Needle sharing programs and free drugs are not compassionate. Rainbow flags in schools and allowing 14 year olds to get their genitals cut off is not compassionate. Liberalism is amoral. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/24 at 07:39:29 I read that essay by Josh holley this morning and posted it in response to the ridiculous idea that Christianity did not play the major role in European development, and by default, the great society we have here in the US. Of course it did. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by JOG on 09/05/24 at 12:49:45 Christians were the majority of the people who wrote the founding documents. The three parts of government are representative of biblical ideas, but I don't recall the exact connections now. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by zevenenergie on 09/06/24 at 00:35:49 093B3C2D2A3B2C133F2C355E0 wrote:
Reaction: I think this is about a culture that originated from Christianity. And I don't want to give a value judgment about that culture. But it has nothing to do with religion. The problem with a culture is that it is a mold that you as a person have to fit into. If someone from another culture has to fit into that, then you see that conflicts arise from that. True religiosity is about being free from all form and conditioning. It is about being so deeply in love that the self dissolves in it and you are free. And that was the state of being of Jesus. Someone in that state overflows with love and joy and ecstasy without any reason. Imagine how the world would change if we all were in that state of being. It is the true potential of the entire world population. The apparent religion that Christianity is (but also all other religions) ensures that we remain trapped in the mind set we are in. With all the disastrous consequences that entails. Religions find the Body corrupt, but the body is the gateway to being. And being is the springboard to enlightenment. A society based on Christianity seems to function well, but look deep inside. If you find joy there, if you will find deep love there, if you are in ecstasy. I dare to put my hand in the fire that you struggle with uncertainty, depression and restlessness, that you think you know it all. But that you always miss the mark. that your head is full of fantasy and ideas but that you are unable to make them come true. that you have to numb yourself with TV, drugs, alcohol and God knows what else. And I can go on like this for a while. That is the price we pay for not being with ourselves. At the same time, we try to compensate for the love that we cannot find in ourselves by wanting all kinds of things that do not make us happier. If you manage to gather the necessary material around you, you are at best comfortably numb and content. And that is what you try to recommend to your children. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xTttimcNk Comfortably Numb · Pink Floyd The world is on fire because people all over the world are trying to achieve comfortably numb. And in the meantime we hold on so tightly and are so afraid of change. We feel separated, a loose identity, lonely. While the reality is that we are one with the universe. All animals experience it that way, everything lives in divinity, except humanity. Only on our deathbed do we see how we lived, what we left behind. That we could have lived as a god in love. We see then how we had our priorities wrong. At the moment of passing over there is finally the freedom and love that we have longed for all our lives. And we are terrified for it. Because the I dissolves in it. The I is terrified of love because it dissolves in it. And nothing but love takes its place. You ARE in Heaven. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by WebsterMark on 09/06/24 at 04:34:14 I feel like all you wish to see is the negative from the worldwide culture created by Christianity as opposed to the overwhelming positive. My original point was the influence of Christianity is what brought the worldwide population into the industrial world and beyond. And it’s the reason why Europe emerged from the dark ages first, and every other place else in the world remained stuck. I dare to put my hand in the fire that you struggle with uncertainty, depression and restlessness, that you think you know it all. But that you always miss the mark. that your head is full of fantasy and ideas but that you are unable to make them come true. that you have to numb yourself with TV, drugs, alcohol and God knows what else. And I can go on like this for a while. And I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. Uncertainty, depression, restlessness? Numb myself? TV, drugs, alcohol? All of us on here make snap judgments about peoples personality based upon what they write on a forum, I get that. And I get that we don’t have enough data to be entirely accurate but you could not be more wrong with the description if you tried. You’re gonna have to explain yourself a little bit more because I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. I would say, however, that your description reminds me of someone thinking humans can transcend into some type of spiritual being, but the reality is, we cannot. We’re trapped in this body and with these limitations. We can only go so far. We are three-dimensional creatures, but by definition, belief in an afterlife or something greater than us, involves dimensions which we do not have the capability to perceive. We cannot even measure them. It’s like expecting a two dimensional cartoon character drawn on paper to perceive depth. It cannot. It’s not that it could if it tried hard enough, it simply does not have the capability to. For example, we cannot see electromagnetic radiation in the infrared spectrum, but it exists. We can make tools to see it, and animals can see it, but we cannot. We can’t teach ourselves or meditate, or do anything else. We do not have a physical capability. We can, however, catch glimpses of that other world’s influence on us. A three-dimensional creature could reach down and draw a tree in a two dimensional cartoon creature’s world. I would say that’s an example of Christianity‘s influence on the history of mankind. Now I realize I’m numb and trapped by TV and alcohol but I nonetheless have to go on a 500 mile dual sport ride across the mountains of Colorado next week. Wish us luck and good weather. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by zevenenergie on 09/06/24 at 04:44:08 It's not as hard as you think. A 500 mile dual sport ride across the mountains of Colorado is an excellent way to injoy and unveil divinity. Have fun. |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by Serowbot on 09/06/24 at 07:13:44 I like to see all the positives of Christianity and that looks a lot like Democratic policy "Help the needy, feed the hungry, heal the sick, love the unloved" The Right will point the negative "He also said I’ve not come to unite, but to divide. I’ve come to turn a mother against her son, and a father against his daughter." Good on you I don't know how you can get out of bed every morning Ask yourself about the mark you leave on humanity :-/ |
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Title: Re: Can’t vote for(fill in the blank) if you read Post by WebsterMark on 09/06/24 at 11:31:02 3A2C3B263E2B263D490 wrote:
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