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Title: EIGHT STEPS Post by MnSpring on 08/12/24 at 21:27:21 ALINSKY’S EIGHT STEPS FROM DEMOCRACY TO SOCIALIST SOCIETY. This is based on Alinsky’s eight steps from democracy to socialist society. Obama quotes him often in his book and Hillary did her thesis on Alinsky. ALMOST DONE. JUST ONE ELECTION DECIDES OUR FATE… There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist/communist State. The first is the most important[ch8232]. 5 OF THE 8 ARE DONE – THE LAST 3 ARE ALMOST THERE 1. Healthcare: “Control Healthcare and you control the People” DONE !! 2 Poverty: Increase the Poverty level as high as possible.” Poor People are easier to control and will not fight DONE!!! 3. Debt: Increase the National Debt to an unsustainable level.” That way you are able to increase Taxes, and this will produce more Poverty. DONE!!! 4. Gun Control: Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a Police State – total local control. ALMOST THERE!!! 5. Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Livestock, Housing, and Income). DONE!!! 6. Education: Take control of what People read & listen to; take control of what Children learn in School.[ch8232] ALMOST THERE!!! 7. Religion: Remove faith in God from the Government and Schools.[ch8232] ALMOST THERE!!! 8. Class Warfare: Divide the People into the Wealthy against the Poor. Racially divide. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to Tax the Wealthy with full support of[ch8232]the voting Poor. [ch8232]DONE!!! The bases are all covered! We are ripe! … the Democrats President will nail the coffin shut on the United States of America. |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by thumperclone on 08/12/24 at 22:53:33 ALINSKY’S EIGHT STEPS FROM DEMOCRACY TO SOCIALIST SOCIETY. This is based on Alinsky’s eight steps from democracy to socialist society. Obama quotes him often in his book and Hillary did her thesis on Alinsky. ALMOST DONE. JUST ONE ELECTION DECIDES OUR FATE… There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist/communist State. The first is the most important[ch8232]. 5 OF THE 8 ARE DONE – THE LAST 3 ARE ALMOST THERE 1. Healthcare: “Control Healthcare and you control the People” DONE !! 2 Poverty: Increase the Poverty level as high as possible.” Poor People are easier to control and will not fight DONE!!! 3. Debt: Increase the National Debt to an unsustainable level.” That way you are able to increase Taxes, and this will produce more Poverty. DONE!!! 4. Gun Control: Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a Police State – total local control. ALMOST THERE!!! 5. Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Livestock, Housing, and Income). DONE!!! 6. Education: Take control of what People read & listen to; take control of what Children learn in School.[ch8232] ALMOST THERE!!! 7. Religion: Remove faith in God from the Government and Schools.[ch8232] ALMOST THERE!!! 8. Class Warfare: Divide the People into the Wealthy against the Poor. Racially divide. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to Tax the Wealthy with full support of[ch8232]the voting Poor. [ch8232]DONE!!! The bases are all covered! We are ripe! [b] … A REPUBLICAN President will nail the coffin shut on the United States of America. |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by MnSpring on 08/13/24 at 06:26:56 6E726F776A7F68797675747F1A0 wrote:
Now we all know. You have made it abundantly clear. You are not for Freedom ! |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by thumperclone on 08/13/24 at 06:55:52 anyone who doesn't agree with your hyperbole fear mongering false lunatic obtuse lies is anti freedom |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by Eegore on 08/13/24 at 07:06:34 Alinsky never wrote these. The list was made up using some information from Alinski and posted on social media. Convenient that healthcare was on top of the made-up list when the Obama Administration was fresh off their healthcare changes. Why would they do it this way? Because people will just repeat what they are TOLD. Alinski steps: 1."Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." 2."Never go outside the expertise of your people." 3."Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." 4."Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." 5."Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." 6."A good tactic is one your people enjoy." 7."A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." 8."Keep the pressure on. Never let up." 9."The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." 10."The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." 11."If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive." 12."The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." 13."Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by MnSpring on 08/13/24 at 07:09:30 637F627A677265747B787972170 wrote:
OK, tell us, which ones of those 8 things. Have NOT happened ? Which are NOT close to happening ? And which ones will never happen ? |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by Eegore on 08/13/24 at 07:25:30 OK, tell us, which ones of those 8 things. Have NOT happened ? The problem here is the steps are made up to fit actions in-place, and altered as new things happened. Anyone can pick 8 things, say some Communist wrote them, and outline how close we are to completing the list. At a minimum any reasonable human would want to use a real list, not some made-up list catering to the complaint. If I made a list of 8 steps for a more-perfect Republic and claimed it came from The Founding Fathers - then outlined how close Biden was to completing that list, would you take up issue with the fact that the list wasn't actually from any Founding Father and was made up on social media posts? Especially if the list adjusted over time to fit newly enacted policies? |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by MnSpring on 08/13/24 at 07:35:26 19393B332E395C0 wrote:
Then you, tell us, which ones of those 8 things. Have happened ? Are moving to happening ? Will never happen ? Then add: "It is for your own good" |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by Eegore on 08/13/24 at 07:39:31 Then you, tell us, which ones of those 8 things. Have happened ? Are moving to happening ? Will never happen ? If I made a list of 8 steps for a more-perfect Republic and claimed it came from The Founding Fathers - then outlined how close Biden was to completing that list, would you take up issue with the fact that the list wasn't actually from any Founding Father and was made up on social media posts? Especially if the list adjusted over time to fit newly enacted policies? Would it be for your own good to ignore that the list was a lie and adjusted to fit the narrative? |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by MnSpring on 08/13/24 at 07:55:45 5777757D6077120 wrote:
The Founding Fathers, founding a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, would NEVER, write on how to make a Nation Communist. You know that, so your question, is again, another deflection of the fact, that Clinton, Obama, Biden, have done everything they can to make those 8 things, (and more) come true. Harris/Walz are on the SAME path. Of course, all those things are: (and more) "For Your Own Good" |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by thumperclone on 08/13/24 at 08:19:52 delusion at its best |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by Eegore on 08/13/24 at 08:20:27 The Founding Fathers, founding a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, would NEVER, write on how to make a Nation Communist. Yeah it would be a lie just like your source is a lie. You discount it as unnecessary to even answer since it doesn't exist in reality - yet you want us to answer questions about your lying list. You know that, so your question, is again, another deflection of the fact, that Clinton, Obama, Biden, have done everything they can to make those 8 things, (and more) come true. Harris/Walz are on the SAME path. It is not a deflection to acknowledge you are using a lie to complain about poor politics. I have never once supported Harris in any way. This post is nothing more than creating a lie, then comparing poor political policy to the lie. Anyone can make up a list, compare it to poor-policy and adjust it's content over time to match. If you were capable of having an adult conversation about this we would already be addressing Cloward-Piven theory like humans interested in truthful interactions do. |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by Serowbot on 08/13/24 at 09:53:50 Ban some books Control women's healthcare Deport foreigners Forced prayer Make America Christian only Make every home fly an American flag ... and ban Chrome Tanks! |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by MnSpring on 08/13/24 at 12:36:00 436361697463060 wrote:
Again, of the list, listed, in the first post, which ones are a "...lie..." |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by WebsterMark on 08/13/24 at 12:56:53 4553445941545942360 wrote:
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by Serowbot on 08/13/24 at 14:51:01 Does Trump have a policy platform It seems to be whatever he says today |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by Eegore on 08/13/24 at 16:29:11 Again, of the list, listed, in the first post, which ones are a "...lie..." All of them. The list in it's entirety is a lie as ALINSKY never had 8 steps nor authored anything like this. That list is anonymously authored and connected to Alinsky because people will just share it as fact without question. As if people just repeat what they are TOLD. This is just a made up list posted to social media. Again, would it be for your own good to ignore that the list was a lie and adjusted to fit the narrative? |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by MnSpring on 08/13/24 at 17:56:53 2404060E1304610 wrote:
You refuted that is was said by ALINSKY, I never challenged it. So if you want to keep using that deflection, fine. 7757555D4057320 wrote:
Last time, do you want to state your opinion, or deflect. 1 Is Healthcare now controlled by the government, where it used to be controlled by the Doctors ? 2 Has the Poverty level Increased to a very high level. ? 3. Has the the National Debt Increase to an unsustainable level. 4. Is the government, bit by bit, step by step, slippery slope by slippery slope, (UNDER THE GUISE OF SAFETY) Removing the the ability of CITIZENS to defend themselves from the Government. ? 5. Has the number of people on Welfare Increased. And have the benefits increased to the point they just don't need to work ? 6. Have teachers, been TOLD, what to NOT teach. In the 60-70's Students were the Best in the WORLD. Now they are ranked 11 - 14th 7. Is a persons faith in a Deity being systematically removed from the Government and Schools.[ch8232] ? 8. Is the 'Middle Class', of people shrinking, fast, making more wealthy, and a whole bunch more of Poor ? And if the answer is Yes, Does that indicate a massive move to hard core Socialism/Communism |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by Eegore on 08/13/24 at 20:30:15 If your answer to a question about the Founding Fathers making a list is "They wouldn't do that." Then there is nothing wrong with the answer: "Alinsky never wrote that." It is not a deflection to acknowledge that the list you are using was made up, and changed over time, to align with poor policy Anyone can do that and lie about where it came from. By this logic I will make up a list that the Founding Fathers wrote and you can answer questions about my list that is also a complete fabrication. Sound like something you would be ok with? |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by MnSpring on 08/13/24 at 20:38:21 1434363E2334510 wrote:
Yea I got it. You refuse to give a opinion on the huge movement to Socialism/Communism. |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by Eegore on 08/13/24 at 20:45:36 Yea I got it. You refuse to give a opinion on the huge movement to Socialism/Communism. It's poor policy, I've said that multiple times in this thread. It's poor policy. The made-up list brings up poor policy. I just don't need to be presented lies to discuss it. No more than you want to discuss a list of lies made up about The Founding Fathers to get your opinion on certain politics. Does that sound like something you would want to do? |
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Title: Re: EIGHT STEPS Post by WebsterMark on 08/14/24 at 03:56:46 3620372A32272A31450 wrote:
None of it is this: Ban some books Control women's healthcare Deport foreigners Forced prayer Make America Christian only Make every home fly an American flag ... and ban Chrome Tanks! |
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