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Message started by Graybeard on 08/07/24 at 01:22:43

Title: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/07/24 at 01:22:43

July 2024 was the 60th consecutive month of more than one million background checks for gun sales at retail.

Over a Million guns a month, sixty months in a row.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/07/24 at 07:05:59

Seems like Lefties should acknowledge that there aren't also millions of dead bodies.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/07/24 at 08:56:53

Nevah gonna happen

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/07/24 at 09:05:14

It will happen on the same day some people admit millions or even hundreds of dead kids can't be found either, even though millions are vaccinated, multiple times.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/07/24 at 09:31:21

I saw that coming.
The difference?
I've explained.
The destruction caused by the jabs is being seen by more and more.
We watched vaxed people collapse, some die,on live TV.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/07/24 at 11:01:02

"The destruction caused by the jabs is being seen by more and more."

In adult males in their 40's. Not in kids. You still can't point to any more dead kids If .003% died there would be hundreds in your area alone. Where are the obituaries, school yearbook dedications, or mourning families?

They are in the same place that all the victims of gun-violence are in the no-gun-control regions. Lefties won't acknowledge gun control crime rates no more than you will acknowledge child mortality rates. When challenged they point to a mass-shooting and you point to a video of a kids falling down - most from pre-2019.

We watched vaxed people collapse, some die,on live TV.

You said it best here:

Ohh! Wouldn't finding one or two exceptions nullify what is obvious?
No,,
Pretending something is not good enough because it can't be proven Perfect
When it would So Obviously make things so much better

Lefties inability to see the results of gun control measures is no different than your inability to see the results of vaccination deaths. They can't see that there is low crime in certain areas because they are sold on a few mass shootings and a pre-decided resistance to guns. You won't see that there are almost no child deaths in high vaccination areas because you are sold on a few videos and a pre-decided resistance to the vaccine.

You want to know why they won't see the obvious. The same reason you won't.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/07/24 at 15:56:51

Bullschitt. Conflate away.
Intellectual Pickpocket.
I've been eating your lunch for years.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/08/24 at 05:44:03

Something else you have done for years is ignore a simple question: Where are all the dead kids in your area? Millions are vaccinated. Multiple times by now so the amount of dead should far exceed the number from pre-Covid.

When I ask where is all the violent gun crime in low/no-gun control areas, I get the same response. Ignore it.

Ignore that every available metric does not support the claims, then drudge up some information they wont even read for themselves. If there were more dead kids, even .03% you would be posting obituaries, news reports, posts from mourning families etc. and we both know that.

The evidence doesn't exist, you just won't admit it. Sounds familiar.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/08/24 at 12:28:39

Does evidence that gun control is a failure exist?

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/08/24 at 19:44:17

Does evidence that gun control is a failure exist?

Yes absolutely in certain capacities it does exist. Specifically in the manner you bring up - rates of petty and general violent crime are typically lower in areas where there is less gun control. Specifically carry control measures.

Lefties as you call them do not acknowledge that even though millions of guns exist or that areas where 90%+ of the population can carry freely, there are not nightly newscasts of murders, pages of obituaries, social media posts from family members of the dead, funerals or any other multitude of Observable evidence.

They instead point to a few mass-shootings and say "We've SEEN people getting killed by murderers with guns!!"

Does evidence that the vaccine is killing kids at a high or even low rate exist?

More importantly, does it exist in areas of high vaccination MORE than areas of low vaccination, thus making an exact comparison type as the gun control question?

Does it even come close to providing the Observable everyday evidence of what is seen by literally every other thing in existence that leads to death?

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/08/24 at 19:49:11

What do you say?
Allow constitutional carry?
Keep up the gun control?

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/08/24 at 19:58:38

What do you say?
Allow constitutional carry?
Keep up the gun control?

What do you say?

Does evidence that the vaccine is killing kids at a high or even low rate exist?

More importantly, does it exist in areas of high vaccination MORE than areas of low vaccination, thus making an exact comparison type as the gun control question?

Does it even come close to providing the Observable everyday evidence of what is seen by literally every other thing in existence that leads to death?

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/08/24 at 20:15:07

Nope..

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/08/24 at 20:16:50

Pickpocket

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/09/24 at 09:22:12

Whatever helps you deal with it.

I just don't understand how you can readily and accurately acknowledge that evidence is lacking in dead bodies when it comes to gun control measures, but still won't acknowledge there aren't more dead kids literally anywhere in the US, but especially in your area.

If a video of kids falling down on live TV is adequate evidence for your argument, shouldn't video of a mass shooting be adequate evidence for gun control? If 7 out of the 9 kids dying on live tv happened before Covid, why can't deaths before gun control measures be used as evidence? If you were providing more kids dropping dead in the past 4 years it would be a different story.

If Canadian funeral home purchasing 500 child caskets is evidence the vaccine is killing kids, why isn't 500 bullet proof backpack purchased for a school evidence that gun control is needed? If those caskets had dead kids INSIDE them, that's evidence.

Whatever methods you have for believing something that has no tangible evidence (like dead kids) are the same for lefties that do not need tangible evidence (like dead kids) to want gun control measures.

As for Constitutional Carry I do think humans should have to take some training in order to carry a firearm. I base this exclusively off the number of times we have had to deal with armed humans in the medical centers claiming they have a "Right" to carry a gun on the property.
Obviously the Constitution does not guarantee anyone the "right" to carry weapons on someone else's property.

It is a right to own a firearm, so while I prefer there be education, I do not think a law should require it without vote.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/09/24 at 09:44:11

The jab debate is relatively new. Are the numbers available? Who Delivers the stats? Proven liars,like FDA,CDC,WHO? How many articles do I have to read that clearly demonstrate that the Jabs have been harmful? How do others Fail to see?
Okay, so what? The obvious Truth that gun control is Not a viable solution shouldn't be held hostage because I'm not willing to agree that the Jabs are safe and effective just because you say I should. You pretend it's reasonable for the Guns Bad crowd to maintain Their position when it's been Completely Undone by DECADES of Observed Reality Proving that where Gun Control is most completely in effect is Where the most shootings are. Completely separate issues.

A responsible person will either train, on their own or pay for training before they start carrying. It would go a lot better for someone who shot a bystander while trying to kill a bad guy If they held a CC license and could show they had a regular training schedule, target practice,

I know what I'm doing. I'm preparing to carry. I have my own range. And profile targets. I'm not yet Quite satisfied with my Point and Shoot,, but it's not bad. Multiple targets, no sights, point and shoot,, missed 2 out of seven, 25 feet, and used a couple of gallon milk jugs as the outliers. If they had been People, I wouldn't have missed the One.. I missed the first jug..

Being held accountable is the way the system is supposed to work. Training is optional.
Be responsible. Train. Practice, read,

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/09/24 at 10:53:24

The jab debate is relatively new. Are the numbers available? Who Delivers the stats? Proven liars,like FDA,CDC,WHO?

And when I stated Lefties use this exact defense against Observable information like actual crimes in their area you thought what exactly? How many years of zero increase in Dead kids do you need to see? The same number of years climate alarmists need?

Who Delivers the stats? Just show me your local obituaries of Dead kids. Show me some yearbooks (yes we looked at hundreds in TX). Show me a single school with lower enrollment. A single video AFTER the vaccine. Those "stats" will do just fine.

How many articles do I have to read that clearly demonstrate that the Jabs have been harmful?

Not many, since on here anyway I read them for you, then you argue with me because the headline lied to you. You literally on multiple occasions quoted the exact same word for word information I did, but said it was "lies" when I referenced it.

How do others Fail to see?

Because the evidence you believe are mostly lies. What would you think if someone told you millions of humans see things wrong and they see it right? The internet can tell you this nonsense but it doesn't account for the fact that You or anyone else can not point to one Observable instance where there are more Dead kids than before Covid.

Your soluton to that is to say the numbers of Dead kids before Covid should not be used. So in that case the numbers of gun-crimes before gun control should not be used. Sound good?

Okay, so what? The obvious Truth that gun control is Not a viable solution shouldn't be held hostage because I'm not willing to agree that the Jabs are safe and effective just because you say I should. You pretend it's reasonable for the Guns Bad crowd to maintain Their position when it's been Completely Undone by DECADES of Observed Reality Proving that where Gun Control is most completely in effect is Where the most shootings are. Completely separate issues.

Incorrect, I never said "it's reasonable for the Guns Bad crowd to maintain Their position" or anything even close to that. I think you are BOTH wrong by using the same amateur tactics. You just can't seem to accept that I can think You are wrong AND gun control advocates are wrong. If I think you are wrong, that does not mean I think everything you disagree with is right.

You want them to use Observed Reality while simply ignoring it yourself when it comes to a different topic. You still refuse to Observe the videos you referenced, multiple times, are mostly before Covid. You won't Observe there aren't any additional Dead kids, which is a requirement if there are more Deaths.

Instead you just say the data is wrong. The same thing you complain about Lefites doing.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/09/24 at 12:12:29

You're full of crap.
And now, justify Choosing to Ignore DECADES of Indisputable Data that Proves Gun Control a failure.

The grounds keeper may scold you if you move the goalposts. You know the Authorities lied. It's admitted. The fake number I ran with was Put There, for the Express purpose of using it as a cudgel against anyone who used it.
You are one of them. It's your Go To, because that is The only play you have.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/09/24 at 15:07:26

You're full of crap.
And now, justify Choosing to Ignore DECADES of Indisputable Data that Proves Gun Control a failure.

Incorrect. I never said anything close to that. I said gun-control measures in specific capacities are a failure. I also said the people that defend it, poorly, use the same strategies you do.

You don't know how lefties can support gun control when the Observable environment shows simple outcomes. This is remarkably similar to the Vaccine Kills Kids approach of refusing to Observe there aren't more dead kids.

I see how both approaches are flawed, you will say I am pro-gun control as a defense to that. Why not just show us some obituaries, local school shortages, or maybe a list of athletes that aren't actually alive right now?

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/09/24 at 15:24:01

Why not just show us some obituaries, local school shortages, or maybe a list of athletes that aren't actually alive right now?

The act of the Intellectual Pickpocket.
Get me to waste my time on things when anyone who is aware of the world beyond his walls Knows about dead athletes. And plenty of Other Suddenly Dead.

You are Giving lefties cover to hide from the obvious..
Because That is your job.
I'm fukkin DONE. If they don't want to admit what is clearly obvious, and they hide behind your skirts, instead of making their own position known and the logic they use to shore it up and make it reasonable,, then,, they are just what I have thought. Weak, unable to argue their position.
It's NOT the same as the Covid shitt,, not even almost.
Let's deal with one topic.
Truth is Truth. It's not subjective. The undeniable truth is
Where lefty policies are in force, gun control is enacted, people are getting shot
Texas,constitutional carry, plenty of people,, not anything Like the Socialist Utopias with regard to people getting shot.

That is it.
Now, agree and be honest or do something else and prove what a ReTard you are.
That goes for everyone who is reading this.
I'm done. I've made the points.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/09/24 at 15:33:42

The act of the Intellectual Pickpocket.
Get me to waste my time on things when anyone who is aware of the world beyond his walls Knows about dead athletes. And plenty of Other Suddenly Dead.

They Know there aren't tons of dead kids. There's a reason nobody is having funerals for all these kids.

You are Giving lefties cover to hide from the obvious..
Because That is your job.

Incorrect. I am saying their poor logic and avoiding facing facts are the same ones you use. You just refuse to acknowledge I think you are BOTH wrong. Refusing to Observe I said it's all flawed logic allows you to say I am defending lefties so it gives you ammunition to gripe about my stance. Nobody is fooled by this blatant inaccuracy.

Truth is Truth. It's not subjective. The undeniable truth is
Where lefty policies are in force, gun control is enacted, people are getting shot

Truth is Truth. It's not subjective. The undeniable truth is Where vaccine policies are in force, vaccines are enacted, kids are not dying at a higher rate.

There are no additional dead kids. That is it.
Now, agree and be honest or do something else.

See how I can notice the similarities?

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/09/24 at 15:46:09

There are no additional dead kids. That is it.
Now, agree and be honest or do something else.

See how I can notice the similarities..

The decades of data are not in question.
You can't prove anything about the dead and injured from the Jabs beyond
Yeah,, people died and people who were happy and healthy and active are no longer Any of those things. The How Many questions will be going on for years.
Pretend my argument against gun control doesn't stand on its own all you want.
It Does.
If I believe Something that is not, according to you,true, that doesn't mean the gun control argument is Not correct.

I can believe men can become women,, pure idiocy,I know, but seeing a fire and raising the alarm, forcing people to LOOK and See the fact
That thing is on fire
Then having someone argue that my assessment of The Reality that That thing is on fire
Must be faulty,, because I believe the fantasy that men can become women.

Why do you so Desperately need to frustrate what, in any other place, would be a simple
Facts stated,, gun control is a proven failure,
Why does That need to be made contingent on something else?
Unless you're actually paid to do it.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/09/24 at 16:05:11

The decades of data are not in question.
You can't prove anything about the dead and injured from the Jabs beyond

I can prove they aren't dead at the rates you claim. Your claim is elevated rates of death. The rates of mortality in children never went up. If they did there would be evidence, like massive amounts of evidence. Funerals, school memorials, social media posts, grave sites, lowered sports enrollment.

None, not one of those things happened. So we can prove the vaccine did not cause more heart issues in kids. This same logic is how we can see that low-gun control areas don't have more petty and violent gun related crimes.

Pretend my argument against gun control doesn't stand on its own all you want.

I didn't say anything like that. I agreed with you many times. I am simply saying lefties inability to observe simple metrics are the same thing you do. Lefties are wrong about gun-control strategy. You are wrong about elevated child mortality. They will say data they don't agree with, but won't look at, is wrong, so will you.

If I believe Something that is not, according to you,true, that doesn't mean the gun control argument is Not correct.

I never said it is NOT correct. I said it IS correct. Your inability to Observe that I agree with you is not my inability to see how gun-control outcomes work.

Why do you so Desperately need to frustrate what, in any other place, would be a simple
Facts stated,, gun control is a proven failure,
Why does That need to be made contingent on something else?

Its not contingent in any way. Your refusal to accept that does not mean I am actually saying it. I am saying the same tactics lefties use to argue for gun control are the same ones you use to argue that kids are dying from the vaccine. You asked, I am answering.

Both are wrong. Lefties are wrong about gun control outcomes. You are wrong about vaccine outcomes in kids. Both can exist independently and are not contingent on each other. They are both just very similar in strategy.

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Graybeard on 08/09/24 at 16:50:33

didn't say anything like that. I agreed with you many times. I am simply saying lefties inability to observe simple metrics are the same thing you do.

See my reply in the other thread, where I again tell you that You're full of crap.
Dissimilar things, one is supported by incontrovertible evidence, gathered over decades. The other is a controversial topic, with data littered with falsehoods and inconsistencies. So what? I used information that was faulty. Doesn't mean tons of people are not currently dead and wounded.
Why would Anyone who honestly wants a safer environment not start advocating for gun rights? How Gutless is that?

Title: Re: Sweet! That is Good News
Post by Eegore on 08/09/24 at 21:13:06

Dissimilar things, one is supported by incontrovertible evidence, gathered over decades. The other is a controversial topic, with data littered with falsehoods and inconsistencies. So what?

So the strategies to defend the inaccuracies are strikingly similar.

I used information that was faulty. Doesn't mean tons of people are not currently dead and wounded.

You continue to use information that is faulty. Insurance companies never said what you claim. You were lied to but can't know it because you wont look at it, and won't learn it because you argue against anyone that actually looked at it. How can companies that don't know vaccination status know who died from vaccinations? Same way gun control advocates know crime statistics they won't look at and can't possibly have data on because it never existed.

It doesn't mean tons of people are not currently dead or wounded.

Just consider how you would respond if a lefty tossed up inaccurate gun crime statistics, repeated them for years, and said "So what?" "Doesn't mean tons of people are not currently dead or wounded."