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Title: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 05/30/24 at 14:45:30 fox news reported trump GUILTY on all counts |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Serowbot on 05/30/24 at 15:46:40 Something new to add to his resume |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 05/30/24 at 16:55:40 The difference is Trump and Republican district attorneys did not follow through and charge Hilary with bizarre charges, hold a show trial in some place in southern Alabama or another 95% Republican district and convict her. My hope is somehow DeSantis gets nominated to replace Trump, but I think what will happen is you TDS infected clowns just got Trump re-elected. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 05/31/24 at 01:31:23 one down three to go I'm basking in TDS :-* |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by zevenenergie on 05/31/24 at 06:27:37 You can safely say it's a street fight, the same goes here: It ain't over till it's over. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by ThumperPaul on 05/31/24 at 06:38:37 1) Rallies his base to get out and vote. 2) Wins election in November. 3) Appeals court upholds convictions. 4) Trump pardons himself. I should be a script writer for Fox News! :o ::) :o |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 05/31/24 at 07:47:23 4) Trump pardons himself. I should be a script writer for Fox News! :o ::) :o [/quote] a president can only pardon federal charges get your facts straight fox ;) |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Serowbot on 05/31/24 at 07:55:46 Orange... is the new orange ;D |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by ThumperPaul on 05/31/24 at 08:18:56 :o ::) :o [/quote] a president can only pardon federal charges get your facts straight fox ;) [/quote] Bwahahaha ;D :o :P |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by zevenenergie on 05/31/24 at 10:10:57 One thing is, for sure elections will never be the same. And a candidate needs to be a real saint, (there are no) or have the support frome the people that rule. And so the population has been sidelined. A real bankruptcy of a political system is quite unique. Goodbye democracy, you were a pretty nice solution while it lasted. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Serowbot on 05/31/24 at 13:48:50 Au contraire,... Democracy is alive and well Why anyone would vote for a man with absolutely no redeeming virtues is beyond me, but they still can. He is currently the lowest rated President in history and will only go lower, elected again or not That legacy is cemented in eternity |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by zevenenergie on 06/01/24 at 00:56:07 I like that you realize that despite everything, he will still become president. And also that despite all the craziness, you still have faith in democracy. That shows perseverance and that is exactly what I appreciate so much in American culture. The strength to continue despite everything. It's one of Trump's main traits. I guess that's why God is blessing America. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/01/24 at 19:13:22 If the Supreme Court is somehow brought into this and overturns it, all of a sudden, Democracy will be dead. Oh, and cities will burn, |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by MnSpring on 06/02/24 at 16:50:16 283E29342C39342F5B0 wrote:
Absolutely, Just as long as it is, EXACTLY, What the DFI, FDS, UL, Socialists Tell You to say !!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 06/03/24 at 03:52:45 05261B383A21262F480 wrote:
Absolutely, Just as long as it is, EXACTLY, What the DFI, FDS, UL, Socialists Tell You to say !!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] yet another post unmoored from reality [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/03/24 at 05:10:35 We’ve got to find a way out of this or we’re doomed. The left can’t pretend this was an honest trial. It was absolutely a political banana republic style joke. And the right can’t get behind the idea of voting to get revenge for one man being wronged. People are wronged everyday, it’s not fair but $hit happens. I’m not shedding a drop of blood for Trump and certainly am not spilling a drop of anyone else’s other. The problem is how to get out of this. If the Supreme Court steps in and declares Trump innocent, the leftist will riot 10 times more than the George Floyd riots. If they agree with the lower court, very little riots, if any, will happen. I still hope somehow at the convention everybody rallies behind Ron DeSantis. That would solve a lot of problems. My belief is two sides can never get along unless both agree there are boundaries (not necessarily physical ones ) that neither will cross. The other option is one side completely defeats the other side. Completely. I would not have believed the left would beat up Jewish college students so they’ve already cross that boundary. I’m not exactly sure where the boundary is for the left. The right could explode one of these days but it won’t be over Trump. And January 6 was not an insurrection, it was a one time protest out of control. The proof of that is nothing has happened since despite the fact many of those people are sitting in a jail cell, while others who participated in violence in the name of leftist charges walked away without so much as a slap on the wrist. If that didn’t create a violent explosion from the right what will? The ball is in the leftist court. They’ve got to stop. But the problem is leftist Politicians have created this monster, and now they have no way to control it. Plus their power depends on it. Our local congresswoman, Cori Bush is a classic example. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Serowbot on 06/03/24 at 06:54:22 If only you could hear yourself :-? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by MnSpring on 06/03/24 at 06:59:08 “…leftist Politicians have created this monster, and now they have no way to control it. Plus their power depends on it.…” Just one example. Floyd/BLM. Riots for Years. Over 2000 Cities, Stealing, Destruction, (over 2 BILLON now), Disrupting, ‘autonomous:’ places where only gangs RULLED. And relatively NOTHING DONE. VS J9. Only ONE killed, and that was by a PROTECTED, person. Most peacefully took selfies. And the vast majority, put in Jail/Fined. So when one person gives a left opinion, in an outrageously way. (F UCK sign at a School drop-off) So when one person gives a right opinion, in a normal way. (Upside down flag) The majority of the Media make it a big deal. After encouraging the whirlwind, just because, ‘…… they (the UL’s) have no way to control it……’ |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/03/24 at 07:21:41 2036213C24313C27530 wrote:
Tell me what I said then. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/03/24 at 11:17:31 There's no way one can look at just the basic math of Left vs Right protests and come to an honest conclusion that Left response patterns are not, by far, more costly and damaging to private and public property. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by MnSpring on 06/03/24 at 11:28:13 0525272F3225400 wrote:
Yes their is !!!!!! |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/03/24 at 14:13:59 Yes their is !!!!!! Not if one does the actual math. One can always refuse to Observe things they don't want to be part of their reality, but the rest of the world can still do math. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/03/24 at 14:38:10 09292B233E294C0 wrote:
You forgot deadly. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/03/24 at 14:40:34 7454565E4354310 wrote:
Did I read your response wrong? Did you intend to add “are not” by far more costly? I think you meant to say “are by far” more costly and damaging. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/03/24 at 14:41:57 You forgot deadly. This is true. I have found that while "Right" leaning rhetoric is more violent, they are typically lazier and mostly complain. "Left" leaning humans are more likely to follow through, and complain less than they actually do things. This is why "Leftist" policy gets through faster, and violence is more common. They complain less and do more, typically with more modern technology. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by MnSpring on 06/03/24 at 15:24:25 0424262E3324410 wrote:
Please explain how, A peaceful, ‘Protest’, costs more money, than a, ‘BLM/Floyd’, type protest. Which burned down buildings, Burned down entire complexes, breaks windows, throws bricks, causes physical damage to people, and property. Steal/loot whatever can be stolen or looted. Block, People, (having babies or in serious need for a doctor), Ambulance, Fire, police traffic on an interstate road. Creating Autonomous areas, which cost a huge amount of money to fix the damage. And doing this for over 2,000 Places in the US. And doing it for at least Three Years. (An on and on and on !) |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/03/24 at 15:41:15 Please explain how, A peaceful, ‘Protest’, costs more money, than a, ‘BLM/Floyd’, type protest. Which burned down buildings, Burned down entire complexes, breaks windows, throws bricks, causes physical damage to people, and property. Steal/loot whatever can be stolen or looted. Block, People, (having babies or in serious need for a doctor), Ambulance, Fire, police traffic on an interstate road. Creating Autonomous areas, which cost a huge amount of money to fix the damage. And doing this for over 2,000 Places in the US. And doing it for at least Three Years. (An on and on and on !) I can do math so I won't do that. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/03/24 at 16:07:27 2606040C1106630 wrote:
Lazy? That’s a ridiculous statement. You think not destroying property is an indication of laziness? Please tell me your account was hacked or you drank your lunch….. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/03/24 at 16:08:13 Did I read your response wrong? Did you intend to add “are not” by far more costly? I think you meant to say “are by far” more costly and damaging. That would be more accurate. To make it simple: Left leaning protests do more damage then Right leaning ones. According to math as we know it. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by zevenenergie on 06/04/24 at 03:26:29 3026312C34212C37430 wrote:
There is nothing wrong with being conservatively oriented even though there is a strong political opinion and a deep sense of frustration and concern about the current political and social situation in the United States. The emotional response to the situation is a mix of fear, uncertainty and frustration, but he strives for moderate and peaceful solutions to reduce tensions. He values [ch8203][ch8203]fairness and he is critical of what he sees as unequal treatment of people with different political beliefs. What is wrong with that? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Serowbot on 06/04/24 at 08:07:24 73506D4E4C5750593E0 wrote:
Please explain how, A peaceful, ‘Protest’, costs more money, than a, ‘BLM/Floyd’, type protest. Which burned down buildings, Burned down entire complexes, breaks windows, throws bricks, causes physical damage to people, and property. Steal/loot whatever can be stolen or looted. Block, People, (having babies or in serious need for a doctor), Ambulance, Fire, police traffic on an interstate road. Creating Autonomous areas, which cost a huge amount of money to fix the damage. And doing this for over 2,000 Places in the US. And doing it for at least Three Years. (An on and on and on !) [/quote] Random vandalism... vs.... attack on the Capital building I see a distinction If you don't... you're missing the point |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/24 at 10:13:14 Random vandalism? Entire neighborhoods were destroyed. Last I read, 19 people killed during these bouts of random vandalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arson_damage_during_the_George_Floyd_protests_in_Minneapolis%E2%80%93Saint_Paul |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 06/04/24 at 10:55:55 5D6F68797E6F78476B78610A0 wrote:
protesting a wrongful police overreach death cannot compare to an attempted coup |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by zevenenergie on 06/04/24 at 11:07:18 I also think there is a difference. But there is a stolen election and political goals with lawsuits and a certain form of arrogance on the left side, and the portrayal of Trump fans as less intelligent and morally inferior. This is the same mechanism of violence as discrimination. But this time supported by the Biden administration and a corrupt press. You can deny that, it is clear to everyone. Just as clear as that Trump had paid hush money, we all knew that. A lawsuit about that is clearly politically motivated. We all know that too. But it has an effect on people, you can't just oppress and then think that they don't resist oppression. You can't discriminate against an entire population group and think that they don't experience tension, that they have to live out occasionally when it gets too high and than point your finger at them. Isn't it true that the lefties thought they had Trump and his suporters out of the way and that they have been deceived. The high court has clearly indicated that there is a wrong doing. Isn't it time to address that before things get out of hand. Biden is everyone's president but he lacks the wisdom to do something constructive here. Probably out of self-interest. But certainly not seen from a higher consciousness and the interest of the American people. In the mean time the war in Ukraine is getting out of hand. Also largely due to Biden's leadership. In my eyes there is absolutely no moral superiority to be found in the Biden administration or on the left. If that were the case there would not be so much polarization. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by MnSpring on 06/04/24 at 11:35:24 4A5C4B564E5B564D390 wrote:
Their is Certainly a distinction. One was a mostly PEACEFUL, protest. One was a extreme DESTRUCTION upon this Nation, The Citizens, The Taxpayers. Which lasted for YEARS, and fundamentally changed a entire group, to the Dark Side ! |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/24 at 11:54:44 716D706875607766696A6B60050 wrote:
protesting a wrongful police overreach death cannot compare to an attempted coup [/quote] Attempted coup….what a joke. Some dude with a horn hat, makes it to the Senate chair and you think that’s an attempted coup. I made a decent amount of money off of people like you selling insurance when I was a kid, but come on man, grow a brain! Millions and millions of dollars and property damage and at least 19 people killed….. vs grandmothers walking through the capital after they were waved in by police and now in jail, because of a banana republic department of justice. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 06/04/24 at 12:48:18 447671606776615E726178130 wrote:
protesting a wrongful police overreach death cannot compare to an attempted coup [/quote] Attempted coup….what a joke. Some dude with a horn hat, makes it to the Senate chair and you think that’s an attempted coup. I made a decent amount of money off of people like you selling insurance when I was a kid, but come on man, grow a brain! Millions and millions of dollars and property damage and at least 19 people killed….. vs grandmothers walking through the capital after they were waved in by police and now in jail, because of a banana republic department of justice. [/quote] your attempted insult shows the moral depravity of your opinions |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/24 at 14:17:33 your attempted insult shows the moral depravity of your opinions Since you regularly insult people on here, maybe you should’ve thought comment through before you typed it. And I wasn’t insulting I was just making a statement of fact. You cannot compare millions and millions of dollars in property damage and at least 19 people being killed to what I know you want to call an insurrection but was really just a protest out of control. there is no comparison. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/04/24 at 16:21:41 Lazy? That’s a ridiculous statement. You think not destroying property is an indication of laziness? Please tell me your account was hacked or you drank your lunch….. No. I did not say that only the lack of destroying property qualifies a human as lazy. That's a ridiculous statement. Conservative "activists" as I have seen them through metadata, criminal records and personal experience are lazier about how they manage things that upset them politically. Percentage wise they make more threats to act than they actually act. Just look at how many "protests" each side has a year. "Left" protests are more common, and more digitally managed by modern technology. "Right" protests are less common, and more will complain about social media than use it to get their point across. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/04/24 at 16:25:31 Millions and millions of dollars and property damage and at least 19 people killed….. vs grandmothers walking through the capital after they were waved in by police and now in jail, because of a banana republic department of justice. That's not true. I posted literally every human with jail time on this very forum, with links to every court filing on record, and not one grandma spent a night, or 5 minutes, in jail for peacefully walking through the Capital. Would you accept that kind of exaggerated rhetoric as a valid argument from someone trying to defend the actions during the reactive Floyd violence? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 06/04/24 at 17:36:16 427077666170675874677E150 wrote:
your opinions don't facts make |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by MnSpring on 06/04/24 at 17:59:37 022220283522470 wrote:
OK How many, 'males' How many, 'father's', How many, 'Grampa's' peacefully walking through the Capital did not pay a fine or go to jail ? Specifically referring, mails, fathers, grampa's. AND fines and Jail |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/24 at 18:33:16 7A5A58504D5A3F0 wrote:
Really? I found this in two seconds. Is it not accurate? Connie Meggs, 60, of Dunnellon, Florida, was sentenced to 15 months in prison and 36 months of supervised release. A member of the Oath Keepers far-right group accused of helping organize the uprising, she was convicted of conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding. "I am so angry at my husband for doing this to me," she added. Cheney reported that Meggs' child and grandchild were in the court's gallery and also crying at the hearing. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/04/24 at 20:16:45 OK How many, 'males' How many, 'father's', How many, 'Grampa's' peacefully walking through the Capital did not pay a fine or go to jail ? Specifically referring, mails, fathers, grampa's. AND fines and Jail Many did not pay a fine or go to jail. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/04/24 at 20:30:28 Really? I found this in two seconds. Is it not accurate? Connie Meggs, 60, of Dunnellon, Florida, was sentenced to 15 months in prison and 36 months of supervised release. A member of the Oath Keepers far-right group accused of helping organize the uprising, she was convicted of conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding. Spend more than 2 seconds and actually read her court transcript. Or argue with the person that read all of it for you. https://dockets.justia.com/search?parties=Connie+Meggs She's not a grandma that just walked around after visiting a Trump rally. She lied about her firearms, lied about messages sent from her phone, and wasn't just casually strolling through in her Sunday church dress with a cane. She of course blames her husband, and her defense is obligated to present her as an innocent tag along. I have no insight into her marriage, it may be true, maybe her husband has that level of control over all of her interactions. Unfortunately she chose to lie, and Caleb Berry, another Oath Keeper testified against her, providing evidence of her knowledge and her stating their purpose of going to the Capitol to "try to stop the vote count". Passing her off as some innocent grandma caught up in the crowd with no plans of ever entering is intentional downplaying. She premeditated and willfully brought her own gun into the US Capitol. That's a crime no matter when it happens. This doesn't mean I agree with her sentencing, or her trial. It means I will accept facts and the situation for what it is, instead of trying to claim/imply they incarcerated a ton of senior citizens for simple trespassing after the police "waved them in". Her situation is not even close to that scenario. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by zevenenergie on 06/05/24 at 00:06:57 You are probably right, but this is a meeting about the well-being of America, it is clear that we cannot leave that to Biden. Do you have constructive suggestions that we can discuss and implement? Till now, your solution is to lock up our candidate. I don't think that is very constructive and it does not give confidence in a fruitful collaboration. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/05/24 at 04:52:04 That was the first one I found. I’ll look. And regardless, she was prosecuted and jailed for far, far less than others who participated in more violent protests that were politically correct. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/05/24 at 05:09:17 Dona Sue Bissey, 52, of Bloomfield, Indiana Marilyn Fassell, 59 of Largo, Florida Simone Melissa Gold, 55, of Beverly Hills, California 3 others I found who are certainly old enough to be grandmothers. My bottom line, while perhaps slightly exaggerated, is that the people being persecuted for January 6, are being unfairly targeted as part of a broader action of political prosecution by this DOJ. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/05/24 at 05:22:41 My bottom line, while perhaps slightly exaggerated, is that the people being persecuted for January 6, are being unfairly targeted as part of a broader action of political prosecution by this DOJ. It's not just exaggerated, it's wrong. These people were not incarcerated for walking around after the police "waved them in". They have additional charges, that incidentally they pled guilty to. Nobody is incarcerated for just walking around. I do agree that the DoJ is wasting time here, but I don't need to use exaggerated nonsense to make that argument. The actual actions of the DoJ are enough. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/05/24 at 05:41:41 “Dona Sue Bissey: She initially faced four charges including entering and remaining in a restricted building, two counts connected to disorderly conduct and demonstrating in a Capitol building. In June, she reached an agreement with prosecutors and on July 19, she pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building, according to our news partners at the Tribune-Star.” Yea, that’s real insurrectionist $hit there….can’t believe The Republic survived. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/05/24 at 06:41:17 Yea, that’s real insurrectionist $hit there….can’t believe The Republic survived. She wasn't charged for insurrection. She was charged for entering the Capitol building/disorderly conduct, which she did, she actually did those things. ( Title 40, United States Code, Section 5104(e)(2)(G) ) The maximum for that alone is 6 months jail, she did 14 days, she is not currently sitting in jail. Also she stated she was aware that they were not allowed in. She also was not "waved in", her trial transcript clearly indicates she witnessed police not using force to stop them, even though her interpretation was that entry was not allowed. She should have said she thought entry was allowed. Of course an eager prosecution will push to have a human that admits they knowingly entered an area they were not allowed entry to, jailed. I would not call this a case of an innocent grandma thinking it was ok to be in the Capitol, being "waved in" by police, now sitting in jail. At most it's a waste of prosecution time on an accurate charge and politically motivated. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by MnSpring on 06/05/24 at 17:54:28 4767656D7067020 wrote:
'politically motivated' Correct. 'accurate charge' Incorrect (Because it was totally, 'politically motivated') |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/05/24 at 18:21:15 'politically motivated' Correct. 'accurate charge' Incorrect (Because it was totally, 'politically motivated') This is the problem. Just because you don't agree with the prosecution, does not mean the human did not commit a crime. She entered the Capitol illegally, and to her own interpretation, "stormed" it illegally. She thinks she broke the law. She was there. She knew it was wrong. The charges are accurate. What they should be doing is prosecuting all humans that break the law equally, instead of letting some criminals commit some crimes. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by zevenenergie on 06/06/24 at 02:25:41 So he's been messing around in the accounts to pay hush money. And that makes him a criminal? I had a dentist, his wife did the accounts. I paid him cash so he could go to the whores. A man just wants to have sex regularly, And also a presidential candidate. Well, sometimes things don't go the way you want and then you have to pay hush money. Wouldn't you be allowed to be president then? Let's live a little. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/06/24 at 04:07:10 My understanding of the charges against trump were the payments to his lawyer which were marked as attorney fees, (a misdemeanor offense) became a federal offense because it kept information from the public necessary for them to make an informed decision and therefore was an offense against federal election laws. If that’s an accurate summary, I think you could charge every candidate with that couldn’t you? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 06/06/24 at 06:05:27 luckily he wasn't tried in Russia it only takes one to convict not twelve |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/06/24 at 08:50:45 2D312C34293C2B3A3536373C590 wrote:
The spirit of Pravda it is as alive and well here in the US media and might be better at propaganda than Pravda ever could have imagined being. They were able to find 12 brainwashed fools in New York. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 06/06/24 at 10:18:08 still a convicted FELON |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/06/24 at 13:24:06 My understanding of the charges against trump were the payments to his lawyer which were marked as attorney fees, (a misdemeanor offense) became a federal offense because it kept information from the public necessary for them to make an informed decision and therefore was an offense against federal election laws. If that’s an accurate summary, I think you could charge every candidate with that couldn’t you? I don't think so, but yeah I imagine a number of politicians could be charged. The "intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof" is the combination needed to create the felony charge and I'm not sure all politicians fall into that category. For instance they would have to falsify the reason for a payment to someone that also qualifies as campaign contribution. Cover-up is the problem here, not just the action. While 175.10 is the catalyst charge the addition of FECA, 17-152 and tax fraud make up the felony upcharge. Merchan threw out 175.05 so Cohen and AMI weren't part of the actual charge. So the combination of charges are needed. Not everyone will meet these combinations, but for this to be accepted one would have to use actual US law as reference, the same as courts do, instead of opinion and rhetoric. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/07/24 at 05:07:28 It’s not opinion and rhetoric to say a prosecutor so inclined could string together the additional scenarios needed to create this combination, convene a grand jury to indict and a trial in a district where the vast, vast majority of the jury members voted for the other guy and get their news from sources who present that party as evil, and it seems likely you could get a conviction. Just took family to Silver Dollar City (which is a great amusement park by the way) and I guarantee you a hyper partisan prosecutor who decided to conduct a banana Republic style trial like was done to Trump in NYC, could get a conviction in that county on Hilary’s email server or the fake story that the laptop was from Russia, Biden’s shakedown of various countries while VP or any number of things. It’s hard to over state the damage these idiot prosecutors have done. As much as I’d like revenge, I hope when Republicans back in power, they resist the temptation for payback. Like I said, sometimes the thief gets away with the diamonds. Biden made his family millions and will likely escape prosecution. His family might not but he will. Besides, like the prosecutor said who didn’t charge him, who’s going to vote to convict and bumbling old man? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by LANCER on 06/07/24 at 05:17:24 I would |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/07/24 at 06:04:40 It’s not opinion and rhetoric to say a prosecutor so inclined could string together the additional scenarios needed to create this combination, convene a grand jury to indict and a trial in a district where the vast, vast majority of the jury members voted for the other guy and get their news from sources who present that party as evil, and it seems likely you could get a conviction. I was referring to your assessment that "every candidate" could be charged with the same crime as Trump. They can not. There are some humans that did not pay hush money during an election cycle under fraudulent documentation. If you want to convict them of a crime you would have to charge them for the crime they actually committed under US law, and not the opinion that they could be charged under the same crime as Trump. I've said this here before: Charge for the correct crime, under real existing law, not the crime you think they should be charged for. At the end of the day a lot of this is just another "But Billy broke 2 windows!!" defense. Charge Bobby for breaking one window, and Billy for breaking two. This nonsense the Bobby is "unfairly" being prosecuted because Billy didn't get charged is ridiculous. Bobby is being accurately prosecuted while Billy is not. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by zevenenergie on 06/07/24 at 06:35:25 But Maby Billy is hiding his crimes and may by he broke more than 2 windows. I don't know about you but I'd rather have someone who is open about the nuts he does than someone who keeps it all neatly behind the scenes. Bobby doesn't start wars and Bobby created the Abraham Accords and they are still going strong despite the war in Gaza. Bobby has done a great job of that. Unless of course you want a president who will declare world war 3 on your ass, then you should vote for that pants-shitting Billy. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 06/07/24 at 07:09:04 keep seeing the "banana republic" term used that is exactly what the orange felon wants to create for one example he threatens to get retribution and prosecute his political foes |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/07/24 at 09:41:45 But Maby Billy is hiding his crimes and may by he broke more than 2 windows. Great. Billy should be charged for the crimes he actually commits. Bobby should not get to use Billy, Sally, Jimmy, Mickey, Dolly, Timmy, or any other human's crimes as a defense for breaking a window, claiming they should get the same charges. "But Billy is hiding crimes and broke 1 million windows!!!" Yeah ok. Pay for the window you broke Bobby. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/07/24 at 10:16:44 You keep seeing the phrase banana republic because at least half the country, probably more, see it for what it was: a politically motivated prosecution designed to affect the 2024 election. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Eegore on 06/07/24 at 11:32:01 Yeah that's too bad criminals commit crimes and the trial is inconveniently used against them. Trump should have never tried to cover up the hush money. Actually, even better, he should have never paid. I can't imagine he'd lose that many votes for infidelity. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by thumperclone on 06/07/24 at 11:56:19 7E4C4B5A5D4C5B64485B42290 wrote:
unmoored from reality |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by zevenenergie on 06/07/24 at 12:43:05 2707050D1007620 wrote:
Are you in the glass fitting business? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by MnSpring on 06/09/24 at 17:27:11 123230382532570 wrote:
Would not work for Trump. Only Clinton can get it to work. "... I Never Had Sex With That Woman..." |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/10/24 at 04:03:59 1737353D2037520 wrote:
If if and buts were candy and nuts oh, what a Merry Christmas we all would have. No, he almost certainly would not have lost any votes. Like Joe Biden, admitting, he stole his wife from another man while she was still married. He would lose any votes either. But, by definition, hush money is done because you don’t want it known publicly. So of course you’re gonna cover it up. He spread the payments out and called them legal expense on his bookkeeping. It was his own money, this was not a public company, so there was nothing being hidden from any investors. New York law says doing something like that on your company books is a misdemeanor, but it’s not a federal election offense no matter how hard your partisan prosecuting attorney stretches definitions. Of course, this is going to get thrown out, but by then the election will be over, and that was the point of the whole thing. But we shouldn’t participate in other people’s delusion that this was a legitimate criminal trial because it wasn’t. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Serowbot on 06/10/24 at 06:58:06 Maybe he shouldn't have f'd a pornstar while his wife was at home caring for his newborn Remember when there was a party that claimed it was a "Moral Majority"? No more :-? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by WebsterMark on 06/10/24 at 18:48:27 Well, one thing’s for sure, the Democrats have never been able to even pretend they had a moral majority! ;D |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by MnSpring on 06/11/24 at 15:47:01 0D3F38292E3F28173B28315A0 wrote:
'''Well, one thing’s for sure, the Democrats have never been able to even pretend they had a moral majority! ;D''' |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP!!! Post by Serowbot on 06/11/24 at 16:04:16 003235242332251A36253C570 wrote:
...or,... it's the MAGA candidate saying he'll have a MAGA litmus test for government employees, ignore the Constitution on day one, internment camps for political rivals, 100% ban on abortion and maybe contraception with prison penalties, and possibly run again? Naaa,... that's not banana republic |
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