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Title: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by ThumperPaul on 05/15/24 at 16:24:14 Has anyone heard of these or tried them? I’m wanting to try some ceramic front brake pads. https://www.sixity.com/front-ceramic-brake-pads-2011-2015-suzuki-s40-boulevard-set-full-kit-ls-650-k5-2048211119.html |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/24 at 17:37:32 ceramic pads used in the past did not reviewed well. |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by ThumperPaul on 05/15/24 at 18:01:52 Well crap. Why? These stock organic pads are squeaky as hell at the end of stopping and they only work “ok”. The Niche semi-metallic pads I’ve tried in the past have great initial bite (call ‘em the “anti-antilock” brakes), but not very progressive feeling and probably kill rotors. EBC are crap. Don’t get me started on them. Pads fall off plates. These Sixity $15 ceramic pads are probably a crap shoot, but heck only $15. |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/24 at 21:33:27 My favorite pads are the black ones, they used to call them derin but that's a trade name so they just call them organic. Caltric makes a decent pair. |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by Dave on 05/16/24 at 02:13:27 6F534E564B5E496B5A4E573B0 wrote:
The stock pads are noisy. Ceramic pads seem to be too hard of a compound and just don't grab the Savage disc well enough. EBC organic pads work great on the Savage.....they are not junk and I have been using them for years. I have also been recommending them as replacement pads for the last dozen or so years. Yyou should stop bashing them because 1 set of pads parked outside in New York got rusty and the pads came loose. (The pads that fell apart were not the black colored organic pads - they were red and evidently didn't like the weather conditions they were exposed to). |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by Savard 05 on 05/16/24 at 03:38:53 I've had good luck with niche organic not as aggressive but no squeaking my oem started squeaking so I changed to the organic niche and no more squeaking I've had em on about 2000 miles now and if they don't last long only 7.95 a set!!! |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by ThumperPaul on 05/16/24 at 05:07:29 [/quote] The stock pads are noisy. Ceramic pads seem to be too hard of a compound and just don't grab the Savage disc well enough. EBC organic pads work great on the Savage.....they are not junk and I have been using them for years. I have also been recommending them as replacement pads for the last dozen or so years. Yyou should stop bashing them because 1 set of pads parked outside in New York got rusty and the pads came loose. (The pads that fell apart were not the black colored organic pads - they were red and evidently didn't like the weather conditions they were exposed to). [/quote] I’ll stop bashing the EBC pads that came on Woody. Woody lived in Texas and didn’t show any real other signs of being overly exposed to the elements for an extended time period. Sorry, but pads shouldn’t separate from their plates. Rant over. I’ll give Verslagen’s choice a shot - Caltric organic or Niche organic and forget about these Sixity ceramic pads. Good to hear Savard05 likes the Niche products too. I’ve had nothing but good experiences with Niche products. They do source from China, but they seem to have partnered up with good/better manufacturers/suppliers. Interesting the Savage doesn’t work well with ceramic pads. Glad I asked before buying them. Thanks guys! |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by springman on 05/16/24 at 10:16:08 I'm with Versy, I use the Caltric organic on my S40. Which reminds me, I need to order a new set. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by springman on 05/16/24 at 14:37:30 I have to admit that I also thought of ordering the Sixity ceramic pads at one time. But I did not. They do also have the organic pads for the S40. They may be worth a try. :-? |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by ThumperPaul on 05/16/24 at 14:55:27 Hey Springman! We need to catch up and ride the back 40 near you and me! I ordered the Niche organic pads for $10. I'm going to give those a try. I've had good luck with Niche. |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by MMRanch on 05/16/24 at 20:52:21 I've got a brake question . mind ya its dealing with the 350 Enfield , but here it is: Pertaining to the FRONT BRAKE So When first applied all is well and smooth As the Brake heats up , it begins a little grab/release/grab/release repeat , even under only moderate pressure. Like on a long down-hill with a Stop Sign at the bottom. By time I'm getting to the bottom and the Stop Sign its full blown-herkey jerkey stuff , like the roter is warped , but after it cools it's just fine again. I don't know much about anti-lock or brake fluid temperature reactions , so I just live with it ... know what to expect ::). What I've tried : I replaced the front tire thinking it had a busted cord . I replaced the rotor thinking it was warped . It still does the same thing ... heat = pulsing stopping. At one point I chucked it up on the lath and rubbed it with an Angle Grinder to catch any high spots - there didn't seem to be any ? Any insight into what may be going on ? Maybe its got too many holes in it ? Or ... Maybe ... I should experiment with some different kind of pads ? Here's a picture of the old Roter , I cleaned it up and checked for warpage on a Granit counter top , then replaced it anyway (RE parts are cheep). 11.75" |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by verslagen1 on 05/16/24 at 22:37:59 my guess it's the ABS, if there's a way to deactivate it, that would be my 1st thing to try. |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by Dave on 05/17/24 at 05:44:45 That is one ugly looking rotor......why all the weird marks on the backside of the vent holes? Those are not normal. If it was me - I would try a different set of pads. Something nice and soft like Organic pads......no ceramic stuff. Maybe also try an aftermarket rotor. Are your Royal Enfield forum buddies having this same issue - or are you the only one? If you could find a floating brake disc for the Super Meteor.....that would likely solve the issue. https://www.partzilla.com/catalog-product/collection/937C401D5815EF978BA32CE97776CE06B3195488/3A780E6608DF0F350B23F7C2C5F04329FF429480?titan_sku=4U5J-EBC-MD6305D&CAGPSPN=pla&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=20927845110&utm_content=&utm_term=&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwgJyyBhCGARIsAK8LVLO7bcgl20Rmdo51NuEkdTIdVI-ovuOVgrQrbSSptWjjOQ37KRZmM2AaAmUnEALw_wcB |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by Dave on 05/18/24 at 03:34:30 Or here is an aftermarket rotor from the UK. These folks are RE experts....maybe you should contact them and see what they have to say. https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/EBC-Disc/49545 |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by ThumperPaul on 05/18/24 at 05:24:08 I think it’s the pads, MM. The stock pads are made of organic crushed Himalayan rock. 8-) ;D |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by Dave on 05/18/24 at 07:52:45 If this bike is still under warranty - why don't you let the dealer figure it out at their expense? |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by MMRanch on 05/18/24 at 09:11:34 Good Idea Dave . The one pictured is for the 650 Meteor but the other 350 rotor is the problem. I called the dealer at the first sign of a problem and got the response " Brake Pads " are a "wear-item" and not covered " . It was clear what the dealer meant was " your on your own with that " . As far as I can find no one is making an After-Market Rotor. But I had an IDEA ! :o :o :o So the PROBLEM might be ? The disk heats up and can't expand without warping ? So If I opened-up a gap along the outside edge of the rotor for expansion ... it might quit warping when heated ? So I have a new rotor on the bike now. When the new pads get here ... while I've got the Caliper off ... I'll cut an air gap in those 10 holes closes to the outside edge with a narrow "Cut-off" disk on the 4" angle grinder. Do ya'll think I should "Taper" or "Round-off" the edge that is to "Follow" the narrow expansion gap so it don't rip off pieces of pad as the gap passes ? :-? I don't know what the new pad material is : They are ebay pads so their are probably the cheapest material know to man ? The next set can be Ceramic if that is the best ? Ya'll know I use the front brake by it's self for 99% of "Stopping-Needs" , and the rear brake for Parking lot maneuvers. |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by Dave on 05/18/24 at 12:58:12 Now that I know it is your 350 Meteor: https://accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/EBC-Disc/49543 I don't know if cutting slots in the outer edge is a good idea - if you do you need to chamfer the edges so that they won't catch on the pads. That photo you attached of your 350 rotor - those dished out areas on the holes are just not supposed to be there. Is that something that the pads did - or did you do that with a grinder? |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by MMRanch on 05/18/24 at 21:07:15 Thanks Dave ! 8-) I just ordered that disk that "HITCHCOCK" sells . It has a different hole pattern than the first two disk . I hope it has a different behavior pattern too ! ;D They had the Improved Ferodo Sintered brake pads too ... I'm not sure what all that means but I'll tell ya if its worth a Hoot , in a week or two ! ;) This 350 Meteor is my "Go-To" Bike most of the time , It's a joy to ride like the LS650's are , as long as the power demands stay under the 25HP neighborhood. :) 6/9th of a Savage ! :) :) ............. I tried to cut that first disk on the lath with a carbide bit ... that didn't work , but the angle grinder did ! They are made out of tuff steel !!! |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by ThumperPaul on 05/19/24 at 05:08:46 5B495B49445758555E160 wrote:
This means they are made in the Shire by Frodo Baggins and his pals. As such, they are a bit on the pricey side. Each pad is forged under high pressure at Mt. Doom, a nearby volcano in Mordor. They are then transported by hobbits with big hairy feet back to the Shire for final assembly. ;D The description of brake pad materials is super convoluted. Organic - these must be made of wood and hemp and then pressed together using free range chicken guts as glue. Redwood pads are squeaky. Black Walnut are less squeaky. Sinistered - these just sound evil on rotors. [ch128520] Semi-sinistered: not as evil as sinistered, but still evil. Semi-metallic: I think these are semi-sinistered, but just have a less evil sounding name. Ceramic - these are made by little old ladies in pot making class. Sometimes they sprinkle in a little copper for extra goodness. All I’ve really learned is that you can get serious analysis paralysis reading and studying up on brake pads. |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by MMRanch on 05/19/24 at 06:44:25 All I’ve really learned is that you can get serious analysis paralysis reading and studying up on brake pads. :-? ... ::) ... 8-) ... Yes , Me TOO ! ;) But Hay , Those little Hobbit Folks have to eat too ! so It's all OK ! I've also got a set of pads on the way from Ebay , that are most likely to be the cheapest material know to mankind ! :) |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by Dave on 05/19/24 at 07:52:39 6A786A78756669646F270 wrote:
The hole pattern likely has very little to do with the behavior - but I suspect the quality of the steel is far more important. To keep the cost low the Royal Enfield discs were likely not a premium steel. Cutting brake discs on a shop lathe is not likely going to be successful, and holding an angle grinder up against a disc is not likely to result in an accurate cut. (I have had success in cutting down the outside diameter of a disc - but cutting on the face is much tougher). |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by ThumperPaul on 05/19/24 at 08:13:59 5F4D5F4D40535C515A120 wrote:
Those are the southern pine resin pads! Super sticky brakes! ::) |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by MMRanch on 05/19/24 at 18:48:12 Cutting brake discs on a shop lathe is not likely going to be successful, and holding an angle grinder up against a disc is not likely to result in an accurate cut. (I have had success in cutting down the outside diameter of a disc - but cutting on the face is much tougher). You can type that again ! I tore up a good Carbide bit trying ! Then ended up getting a new disk anyway ... and now another NEW DISK ... but at least this one is not more of the same ! ;) The "After Market" may be better than the original . I believe that "HITCHCOCK'S" is "Top of the Line" stuff. :) This is where I got the DNA-intake system , the De-Cat (still looks factory) pipe , and the 20% Power Boost Cam. If I didn't have the 650 Meteor then I'd be looking into the 350 to 410cc kit that HITCHCOCK'S is selling. The piston goes from 72mm to 78mm , but it does take a new cylinder to do it ($$$) :P :-[ :P. With 18,000 + miles on the little Meteor , the front rotor has been the only issue . :) :) |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by ThumperPaul on 05/20/24 at 05:07:39 Dang, you already have 18k miles on the lil Meteor? I need to get busy riding. Maybe you should just sell it and get the Himalayan/Scram with the bigger motor. I think they bumped it up to 450cc this year. It probably needs better brakes too, but you get the bigger motor. Probably less expensive in the end compared to swapping piston and cylinder and everything else on the 350. |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by MMRanch on 05/20/24 at 06:56:52 Maybe you should just sell it and get the Himalayan/Scram with the bigger motor. I think they bumped it up to 450cc this year. Na , Paul The Scram is Spoke Wheels :P :P :P I really don't like inter tubes and don't ever want them on a bike again ... they might be "OK" on a car or truck ? ;D ;D ;D ............ The Meteor replaced my S-40 , it Sits , Rides , Corners , and Feels like a S-40/Savage with bigger tank and better mpg. Very few machines can do that. The Meteor is only 21HP New ... I've got mine up to about 25-26HP and the 72mm to 78mm swap would get it up to about 30hp. There are a few "Plus-Points" I don't want to give-up from the Meteor , and the new 450 Himalaya is Liquid Cooled :P :P :P. I have the option to put a Belt Drive unit on the 650 Meteor , but It don't feel like the S-40 ... it feels like the HD Sportster with a lower seat . Good-but not a Savage. It seems , There are very few "Perfect" Motorcycles from the factory's ! ;) |
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Title: Re: Sixity Ceramic Brake Pads Post by ThumperPaul on 05/20/24 at 07:16:03 I forgot about your hate for spoke wheels. Can’t say I blame ya! You’re moving up nicely on the hp! |
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