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Title: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Bob Scogin on 10/02/23 at 18:08:43 I don't think we ever really finish making modifications to these bikes, but I'm at a stopping point for now. Got the 18" on the back, flat seat, mid controls, and removed almost 30 lbs of weight. Like it more than ever. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Ruttly on 10/02/23 at 20:45:40 Neat & tidy , very nice. Take a break and ride it , enjoy your build. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by zipidachimp on 10/02/23 at 23:02:16 Nice work! Mine is somewhat similar. Makes me wonder why Suz never did this. Royal Enfield and BSA doing it now, Honda and Triumph doing it in India. Good luck! Cheers! 8-) ps: S40 with EFI ? ooooooooh! :D |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Ruttly on 10/03/23 at 00:25:27 EFI & tiny turbo |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by oldNslow on 10/03/23 at 05:13:22 Very nice. Quote:
In that case the next step in de-crusierizing might be a little more challenging. Gotta do something about the chopperesque front end. Reduce the rake from 35 degrees to around 28 or so ( cut and reweld the neck ???),lower the forks?, lace up an 18" front wheel?, or all three? ;) Even my sportster, which is no sportbike by any stretch of the imagination, has less rake and trail. My 2006 S40 is the slowest steering motorcycle that I've ever ridden. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Bob Scogin on 10/03/23 at 12:39:16 0C32333F2D31305E0 wrote:
Yup, the steering is miserable. Incremental changes such as wheel diameter and shock length simply chip away at the problem. The only fix is to reduce the frame neck angle. I have a frame jig, and the capability, but not the commitment. I'd swap the engine into a frame with "standard" geometry first, he said, glancing over at a Royal Enfield Bullet sitting in the corner of the shop. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by verslagen1 on 10/03/23 at 15:27:48 try some with less fork offset from the spindle I put on a front end from a vz800 and I think it's quicker w/out being a sportbike feel. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Bob Scogin on 10/03/23 at 16:52:44 3F2C3B3A25282E2C2778490 wrote:
It's my understanding that to reduce trail, all other things being equal, fork yoke offset has to be increased. Also, "raked" fork yokes will reduce trail. I'm going to play with this rake and trail calculator and see how much the offset would have to change to get the 5.8" trail down to around 4".https://www.rbracing-rsr.com/rakeandtrail.html |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by ohiomoto on 10/03/23 at 16:53:09 I think it looks great. Honestly, who cares about the handling? If you want better handling, there are better bikes for that. (If you want more power, there are better bikes for that too.) If you want a cool little bike that has just enough giddy-up to have fun. That said, I haven't found a corner I can't navigate on my bike. It actually reminds me of my old Triumph. And, the high trail makes it really stable for a small bike. This isn't a knock on those who have tinkered to make the bike handle better or faster. Just saying there are much better options if power and handling are what you are after. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Bob Scogin on 10/03/23 at 17:13:50 2126272123213A214E0 wrote:
Thanks, and your point about handling is well taken. I'm not committed enough to go to extremes to "improve" it. I'll probably keep the S40, but I've got my eye on the new Triumph 400X Scrambler that's supposed to arrive next year. By the way, I posted more details about the shifter and side stand in your DYI Mid Controls thread. Don't know if you saw them. And thanks for the inspiration! |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by ThumperPaul on 10/05/23 at 10:39:26 Nice. Where did you get the muffler? Is that a reverse cone megaphone I see? |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by DragBikeMike on 10/05/23 at 10:42:34 You did a nice job Bob. Looks factory fresh. I also don’t care much for the stock Savage handling. Slightly taller rear shocks improved mine a bunch and now it’s just about right for me. Thanks for all the detail you added to the mid-control post. I imagine those mid controls really reduce the fatigue on your back. Allows you to take most of the jolt through your legs rather than your spine. My little Savage beats me up pretty bad. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by TheSneeze on 10/05/23 at 11:27:18 It looks good, Bob! |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Mike D T on 10/05/23 at 15:33:22 Nice job, Bob. Did you fit taller shocks with the 18" tires? Also, any more pix? Cheers! Mike |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by ohiomoto on 10/05/23 at 16:48:11 :-[ :-[ :-[ I know I said "who cares about handling" in my previous reply, but I should have noted that my forks are lowered 2 inches, I have mid-controls, a flat seat, and tracker bars. (Which is why it feels like my old Triumph.) lol |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Bob Scogin on 10/05/23 at 19:29:57 282C2E2031757C7575450 wrote:
The shocks are still the stock 10.5" ones, but I'd like to find some 11.5" eye to eye. Progressive 412's would be at the top of my list but given the price of any quality shock, I'm having trouble pulling the trigger. Here a photo of the seat. The bars are from a 2008 Triumph Bonneville that I once owned. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Bob Scogin on 10/05/23 at 19:35:16 7F79760A080F0B3B0 wrote:
The "standard" riding position completely transforms the bike. Finally, my 6'-2" frame fits on it comfortably. Having the feeling of more control has me riding it a little harder, and the suspension is showing its limitations now. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Ruttly on 10/06/23 at 10:50:36 I know there is a few here that would teach me a few things on their stock Savage with forward controls. But they aren’t for me, there is a drastic amount of control lost with forward controls. Only one factor does it for me l have to be able to stand on my pegs when needed. To attack obstacles , ride over something or just a big bump. Even with my rear sets a tad high I stand on my pegs just to take a load off the old hip or going over a curb. Being able to weight or remove weight from pegs offers control a stocker can only dream of. My butt/hip hurts after a ride but lower back loves riding position , wide bars offer great control and very comfy , I’m good for 1-2 hours and still get off smiling , stiff but glad I was gifted with another nice long ride. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Bob Scogin on 10/07/23 at 11:08:54 Those of you who have done the mid-controls conversion know the stock belt cover no longer fits. I didn't want to cut up the stock one, so--- |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by zipidachimp on 10/08/23 at 12:02:30 'De-cruisered' is the way to go. Sitting taller, a bit of forward lean, much better control in corners. It really transforms this bike. Handling with 18" front wheel is a big bonus! |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Bob Scogin on 10/08/23 at 17:30:35 627168717C797B70717568180 wrote:
Yes, everything about it is better. I'd still like to improve the suspension and sharpen the turning. Looking at some Progressive 412 11.5" shocks. They'll probably finish off whatever money I allocated to his project, so although I'd like an 18" in the front, it's probably not in the cards. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by zipidachimp on 10/09/23 at 12:01:24 Buchanan's in LA did my front wheel. $550 delivered. Worth every penny. Dropping the front end 30mm using a 'DC Motive' top tree can get you an improvement for $160. Worth it! Cheers! 8-) ps: I went tubeless on the rear with a GS450 cast wheel 16". Straight swap. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by miatamarty on 10/09/23 at 14:44:59 I put some 11 1/2 inch progressive shocks on. Much less truck like steering. I have a sprung bobber 13in wide seat . My butt really likes it. Got a whole bobber kit from Blue Collar Bobbers. I even put floor boards on it for more foot positions. A few years ago I replaced both knees so the floorboards give more options to squirm around with. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Bob Scogin on 10/10/23 at 10:17:03 7470786D7874786B6D60190 wrote:
What's your weight, and what spring rate did you choose for the Progressive shocks? |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by miatamarty on 10/11/23 at 09:39:27 I weigh 220lbs. got 115-155 spring rate. Preload set on one step down from full stiff. #412-4201c. Stiffer is not better with such a light bike. Weights about 330lbs with bobber kit. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by DragBikeMike on 10/11/23 at 17:01:04 Bob, I put a set of the 412s on mine. To be honest, the ride quality is not a huge improvement over stock. It's a little better but still pretty darned harsh. I've tried two different sets of springs. However, the handling was improved a lot. I believe I installed one inch longer shocks. It made a big difference in handling. This old post provides a lot of info on the 412 shocks, along with my experience with setting up the front forks. I tried to follow Gary's direction as far as setting up the suspension and it worked pretty good, but I did it on the cheap. You can improve the thing a bit without spending a ton of money. As I mentioned, the biggest plus was in the handling department. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1633394130 |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Bob Scogin on 10/12/23 at 10:22:33 Thanks for the input on suspension mods, guys. Very useful! |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by TheSneeze on 10/12/23 at 14:03:02 I just cut the lower corner off the stock sprocket cover for clearance. I also shortened the chain guard. |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Mike D T on 12/04/23 at 16:09:36 Nice job, Bob. I recently semi-decruizerized my new-to-me 2007 s40. Key changes included: - slightly taller 140/90/15 tire on the back - 12.5" Drag Specialties rear shocks (purportedly made by Progressive, but cheeeeper) - Dyna muffler - usual modifications to the belt protectors to accommodate the taller shocks I followed the recommendations made in other threads for both the Dyna muffler fitment and the various adjustments to make the taller shocks fit. Muchas gracias to the forum for all that - super helpful. I got a local muffler shop to get a 4" bit of 1.75" pipe to help connect the metric header pipe to the SAE Dyna muffler. The muffler shop kindly modified the 4" piece of pipe by putting a 10-degree bend in the middle, expanding one end to fit nicely over the header, and reducing the other end to fit inside the muffler. Took him about 15min and he refused to charge me! That never happens these days - it's a nice feeling, and very grateful future muffler customer. Anyway the end result is a substantially altered geometry, much more like a standard motorcycle. I have not touched the seat or bars, but that may change as I ride the bike more. Also have to add that with the Dyna muffler I don't really get those loud backfires I used to get with the stock muffler, and my feeling is the bike runs better. I have not altered the carb settings/jets at all from stock. Cheers all! Mike |
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Title: Re: My 2015 "de-cruiserized" Post by Mike D T on 12/04/23 at 19:21:27 I will further add that the Drag Specialties shocks were specifically Drag Specialties Shock Absorbers Standard - 12.5" - Black - 1310-1836 (I guess that's the stock number) from Fortnine.ca. Cost $300 Canadian samolians, or oh I dunno, about 5 bucks USD? ;) They look like these ones from lowbrowcustoms - https://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/products/drag-specialties-replacement-shocks-12-5-inch-1986-2003-harley-davidson-sportster-xl-black Scott, I would have replied to your direct message but apparently I am barred from sending direct messages until I have made 10 posts. Hopefully you will see this. Mike |
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