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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/23 at 07:43:41

Title: Remember when I said it was NATO?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/23 at 07:43:41

https://www.floppingaces.net/most-wanted/nato-chief-openly-admits-russia-invaded-ukraine-because-of-nato-expansion/

It's not with adequate context, the demand for removal back to that date is probably not just a date grabbed out of the air. There was an agreement signed, I have seen the date of it don't remember, but the pressure from NATO growing towards Russia is and Has Been an issue. An issue from Prior to Putin.

Will THIS be enough Factual Evidence to allow the people who have been told nothing But PUTIN is a blood thirsty tyrant and it's All His Fault
To step back, take a breath and Consider what they have seen?

Title: Re: Remember when I said it was NATO?
Post by Eegore on 09/10/23 at 11:47:09

He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership.

Does that sound like a reasonable demand? Would you agree to it?

Remove military infrastructure in all Allies since 97. That's like us saying remove all Russian military infrastructure movement since 1997. Think they would agree to that?

It looks to me more like a combo of unreasonable expectations and NATO expansion.

Title: Re: Remember when I said it was NATO?
Post by Serowbot on 09/10/23 at 11:58:23

If that was Putin's plan... it didn't go so good

Title: Re: Remember when I said it was NATO?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/23 at 15:31:05

Not MY argument.
Wake up, quit being told what to believe by the dammed NEWS. Look AT the things that have been going on in your life time. This isn't boring old history. We have been alive through this.

https://archive.ph/stMC4

http://https://archive.ph/o/stMC4/https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1498491120573054981/photo/1

https://archive.ph/o/stMC4/https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1498491120573054981/photo/1

Bot, results don't condemn any action. If you get killed wearing your seatbelt, does that make you an idiot for wearing it? Cheap,, just cheap..

Title: Re: Remember when I said it was NATO?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/23 at 15:44:04

Reference to NATO's March 14, 1997 statement that in the current and foreseeable security environment, NATO will carry out its collective defense and other missions through interoperability, integration and capability for reinforcement rather than by additional permanent stationing of substantial combat forces on the territory of new members.

rather than by additional permanent stationing of substantial combat forces on the territory of new members.

And Did They Honor THAT?

https://1997-2001.state.gov/regions/eur/fs_nato_whitehouse.html

Title: Re: Remember when I said it was NATO?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/23 at 16:01:35

He didn't just pull 97 out of hizass. An agreement was made. NATO didn't live up to it,not even almost. It might not FEEL good, but their border has been encroached upon. We wouldn't accept something sitting on our border. Well, today we would be sending the enemy food and fuel,, but,, biden..

Title: Re: Remember when I said it was NATO?
Post by Eegore on 09/10/23 at 21:54:52

And Did They Honor THAT?

Technically yes because they rotate the personnel and arms. How would we see it if China was pulling this? We would call it a scam.

It sounds to me like its a combo of unreasonable demands and NATO expansion.

Title: Re: Remember when I said it was NATO?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/23 at 17:49:37

The Point is
The people who have a grasp of WTF is going on
Have tried to get the CNN brains to Understand.
Split hairs, pretend it's NOT what I said. Try to water it down.

The fact is, it's NOT Putin just being a bad guy.
He did not Want a war.
Get a lefty to wrap his head around that.