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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/23 at 05:56:27

Title: Such lofty goals!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/23 at 05:56:27

How would you like to graduate from Haavahd and qualify for........


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Foodstamps!! That sounds like a good life plan.

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by Serowbot on 08/21/23 at 06:43:19

I doubt if many Harvard students are in need.

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by MnSpring on 08/21/23 at 08:20:20

 The POINT IS,
They CAN,
And MANY WILL !!!!!




In the early 80’s. I worked accost the street from a Grocey Store, it was in the days of food, ’Stamps’. First Tues. of the month the booklet of, ’Stamps’, were distributed to the, ‘poor’.
They flooded into the Grocery store all day, then immediately went to the BAR next door, and come out with a long skinny ‘bag’.
Then that Saturday, that Bar, ALWAYS had a ‘Ham Feed’, at a really cheep price !.
(I ‘Observed” this)

In the mid 80’s I was at a, ‘Y’ in the road. The “Y” went to an Auction, and a, ‘two County Food Shelf.’ My job was simply to point to the Auction parking or the Food Shelf.
Of the cars/trucks going to the food shelf, 90% were New/Newer, Quiet running, no RUST, (This in Minn). 10% were Rusted Smoking, Older, crushed, cars/trucks.
Sure did look like, 90 (+/-) % were Lying, to get FREE food. And 10, (+/-) %, Deserved help, and had their choices reduced by the LIERS.
(I ‘Observed” this)

Oh WAIT. Forgot again,
Observed Reality,
Is NOT REAL !

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/23 at 09:27:09

[quote author=5147504D55404D56220 link=1692622587/0#1 date=1692625399]I doubt if many Harvard students are in need.

Seriously? If ONE person graduated from That school and qualifies? WTF does that say?
Ohh,wait,, you're that guy who can't see what it means when a segment of the population boycotts something and it wrecks it, then another segment boycotted something else and not only was it not damaged, it took off!

Anyway, for the clueless, NOBODY with a degree from a place like that should be broke.
Unless Maybe that fabulous economy and job market you so vociferously defend is bullshit.

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by Eegore on 08/21/23 at 11:40:40

Article 20 of this document shows Harvard's Graduate Student pay scales:

https://harvardgradunion.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Clean-version-of-new-CBA-no-red-lines-1-25-22.pdf



 Given a studio apartment costs thousands a month:

https://www.apartments.com/rent-market-trends/boston-ma/

 And the accelerated cost of food, I'm not surprised a negotiated pay scale that is this old is not enough to live on there.  


Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by Eegore on 08/21/23 at 11:55:39


Oh WAIT. Forgot again,
Observed Reality,
Is NOT REAL !


 It's REAL to you.  You "Experienced" it, and "Experience" is real.  Now if a human refuses to Observe what you said, it is no longer part of their reality.  So they can keep going on saying SNAP works as intended.

 The issue with Observed Reality is it is anecdotal, one human's experience can't possibly be an analogue for the planet, and the human Observing can choose not to Observe something.  

 Like refusing to Observe that "insurance companies" data is really UK Government data, or the actual number of kid funerals in your area, or that Peru never LOCKED DOWN or that to this day nobody has presented the documentation where the CDC "said" to code people in car wrecks as dying FROM Covid.  Just refuse to Observe that stuff and reality is what you want it to be.
 

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/23 at 12:01:28

The athletes are not dying
Got it

Naah, the pilots didn't Just die, guy a few months ago didn't die, six minutes after he landed. Everything is Fiiine! The insurance companies pointing to losses because people are dying in numbers they couldn't foresee..

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by Eegore on 08/21/23 at 12:30:33

The athletes are not dying
Got it


 How did every major sports team in the US manage to dodge this athlete death surge?  Where are all those D.E.A.D. NFL players?  Best not to Observe the NFL numbers before and after vaccination.

 Where are all the athlete kid funerals in your area?  Best not to Observe there aren't any more than before.


"Naah, the pilots didn't Just die, guy a few months ago didn't die, six minutes after he landed. Everything is Fiiine!"

 Best not to Observe how many pilots died in 2018 or 2019.  Why wouldn't you want to know that information?  It's the percentage of dead we need to know.


"The insurance companies pointing to losses because people are dying in numbers they couldn't foresee.."

 Your own source, that I read for you, said they don't have the vaccination status of their clients.  You won't Observe that.

Your other source, that I read for you straight up LIED to you and used UK data.  You won't Observe that.   You assume its the vaccine because you already decided it was true, no evidence needed, but if a climate change alarmist does that you won't accept that process.  The same one you use.

 Peru in LOCKDOWN, you won't Observe that never happened.  

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by MnSpring on 08/21/23 at 14:16:27


7555575F4255300 wrote:
Article 20 of this document shows Harvard's Graduate Student pay scales: ..."

When you mix some Pork S hit, Bull S hit, and Chicken S hit.
You have even More S hit.

"... Given a studio apartment costs thousands a month: ..."


Again the, 'Entitled FDS UL Socialists", Expect everything to be handed to them.  

There has ALWAYS been high, low, and between, costs to live when going to school, or just out of school.
ALWAYS !


It is the RESPONSIBILITY, of a person wanting to have a place to lay his/her head at night, to LOOK for one, buddy up with others, hot sheet a place, talk to parents/relatives, etc, etc, etc,.

Is is NOT the role of complete strangers to FUND the,
'ENTITLED & SPOILED.

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by Eegore on 08/21/23 at 16:42:03


When you mix some Pork S hit, Bull S hit, and Chicken S hit.
You have even More S hit.


 Its still what they are paid.


Is is NOT the role of complete strangers to FUND the,
'ENTITLED & SPOILED.


 I agree.  I'm not sure all Harvard Grads are entitled and spoiled, I do think due to the increase of living costs in that area Harvard could use a pay grade assessment.

 Until then, I'm sure they can figure something out.

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by MnSpring on 08/22/23 at 19:57:13


18383A322F385D0 wrote:
  "...  if a human refuses to Observe what you said, it is no longer part of their reality.  So they can keep going on saying SNAP works as intended. ..."  


So I go to the forest, see a tree fall over, and it makes a sound, I can say, "a falling tree made a sound'. ("Observed Reality')

I go to the forest the next day, and see a standing tree.

I go to the forest on the 3rd day, and see the SAME tree, which has fallen over. I can (according to some peoples logic) NOT say: "a falling tree makes a sound'. ?

Very much like seeing a river, North side, Flooding/Rising.
Then go to the South side, and seeing the river subsiding.

'Observed Reality" says, the south side did flood.

Seeing people that once worked to stop other people from doing wrong.
  Now working With the people that did wrong,

            IS,  what ???????




Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by Eegore on 08/22/23 at 21:02:18


"So I go to the forest, see a tree fall over, and it makes a sound, I can say, "a falling tree made a sound'. ("Observed Reality')


  I already said Experience is different than Observed reality.  So if I refuse to acknowledge you saw a tree then my Observed Reality is you did not see a tree fall.  Much like some people can refuse to Observe Peru was never LOCKED DOWN so they can claim it was.  Their Observed Reality is a LOCKED DOWN Peru and massive amounts of evidence to the contrary is ignored or not Observed.



I go to the forest the next day, and see a standing tree.

 I refuse to Observe you said you saw a standing tree, like how some people refuse to Observe that still, nobody can provide CDC documentation saying to code car wrecks as dying FROM Covid.  Or a single death certificate showing it.




I go to the forest on the 3rd day, and see the SAME tree, which has fallen over. I can (according to some peoples logic) NOT say: "a falling tree makes a sound'. ?


 I refuse to Observe you see the SAME tree, and all evidence you provide, like pictures, so my Observed Reality is you do not have evidence of a fallen tree.  Just like some people refuse to Observe not one major sports team in the US has had more athletic deaths than they had over the past decade.  So in their Reality, they have only Observed more death because they refuse to Observe anything 2019 or before.


 You are mixing actual lived Experience with Observation.

 

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by MnSpring on 08/22/23 at 21:24:27


6C4C4E465B4C290 wrote:
 You are mixing actual lived Experience with Observation.    


No.
Is is,  Observed, Reality.

'Experience', is the end of learning something.
Such as changing a tire on a car. the first, second, third, ... etc.
It is the, "Experience", of changing a tire.

"Observation" is simply seeing/hearing something.
Which could, or not, be Real !





Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/23 at 04:36:12


5D4244435E5968586850424E05370 wrote:
How would you like to graduate from Haavahd and qualify for........


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Foodstamps!! That sounds like a good life plan.


This is the equivalent of a Black Lives Matter sign in upper middle class neighborhoods. It’s just for show, it means nothing.

In a suburb like this I used to live in, there was this movement for affordable housing, so there was a petition that got enough signatures, and it was put on the ballot to expand zoning laws so multi family dwellings could be built. This suburb was extremely socially liberal. The various versions of I Hate George Bush, BLM, and hands up don’t shoot signs in front lawns were as numerous as tulips. But….when it came time to vote,  in secret, the proposal went down on flames big time. No way those Obama and Biden voters were going to actually have to live next to those people.

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by Eegore on 08/23/23 at 07:27:46

No.
Is is,  Observed, Reality.

'Experience', is the end of learning something.
Such as changing a tire on a car. the first, second, third, ... etc.
It is the, "Experience", of changing a tire.

"Observation" is simply seeing/hearing something.
Which could, or not, be Real !



 I disagree with "Experience" as only the end of learning something. If I watch a movie, I experienced it, even if I learn nothing.  I can experience  changing a tire once.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/experience

 "Observation" I agree with, however it is selective, I can refuse to Observe Peru was never LOCKED DOWN for instance.  However I can not easily refuse to Observe if I am actually LOCKED DOWN in Peru since I am "experiencing" it, even if I learn nothing.

 The issue is Observed Reality requires an Observation for something to be reality.  If I refuse to Observe it, it's not my Reality.  If I experience it, It's much harder, but not impossible, to refuse to Observe it.

 You experience, and Observe seeing a tree fall, you take a video of it as it happens. You may learn nothing from it.  I then refuse to Observe your video showing you saw a tree fall so I can say in my reality you have no evidence of a tree falling.  

 Or someone can refuse to Observe not one major league sports team, gambling group, ESPN, Madden NFL gaming developers, families of players, investors, jersey manufacturers etc. in the US has reported more deaths after vaccinations.  Not one.  So in their reality athletes are dying more now than ever. - they only Observe reports of dead players and don't even care if it's true.

 Reality does not require your or my Observation, things we never have Observed can still be real.

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by MnSpring on 08/24/23 at 08:24:13


1F3F3D35283F5A0 wrote:
" I disagree with "Experience" as only the end of learning something ...
...   "Observation" I agree with, however it is selective,  ...


I have the experience of …

I have experience in …

I have experienced …

I have experience in word crafting, to make words seem like other words.

I have experience ,
in how the FDA approves things.
 
I have the experience,
to make the FDA approve things.


Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by Eegore on 08/24/23 at 09:12:13


 I never observed people abusing SNAP benefits, but it exists in my reality because I don't require Observation to think something is real.  I also do not need to experience something, or gain experience thus learning from it, for it to be real.

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by MnSpring on 08/24/23 at 10:51:18


2606040C1106630 wrote:
 I never observed people abusing SNAP benefits,
but it exists in my reality because
I don't require Observation to think something is real.  
I also do not need to experience something,
or gain experience thus learning from it,
for it to be real.


So Observing Reality, is not really Real,
    (for other people)

Or is this another scolding for a person stating a opinion, based on that persons information, because the information you have is different.

(Kinna like Bot saying 'Trump Said  ..." When he NEVER DID)

   

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/24/23 at 13:44:57

It’s just for show, it means nothing.


Gotchya!   It's just like those Sanctuary City signs in Maathaz Viyahd.. Just a buncha self congratulatory Virtue Signalling, so they could all feel morally superior,, all the while Knowing they were so geographically distant from the hordes flooding into America that they believed they would never have to Prove they actually support the illegal aliens. And when they were given the opportunity to demonstrate their heartfelt desires to see the poor, downtrodden people who need some help,, they promptly hired a bus and shipped them away. Gosh!! How Frikken RACIST!!If Only they had been white!

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by Eegore on 08/24/23 at 14:07:08

So Observing Reality, is not really Real,
   (for other people)


 No thats the opposite, I am talking about refusing to Observe.  Refusing to Observe means it is not part of their reality.  Reality however does not require Observation to exist.  The problem is when a human simply refuses to Observe something, so in their reality it never happened.  However that tree in the woods still fell over, even if I refuse to Observe the information You offer that shows it happened.



Or is this another scolding for a person stating a opinion, based on that persons information, because the information you have is different.

(Kinna like Bot saying 'Trump Said  ..." When he NEVER DID)


 
 No.  It's my interpretation that Observed Reality is not as accurate as broad multifaceted information resources.  One guys Observations, which can be selective, are not enough information to accurately assess large scale topics.  Like SNAP benefits.  No one human's Observations at a grocery store can equal multi-decade nationwide accounts from multiple sources.

 Besides, one could just refuse to Observe something, like that the US military did not have thousands of soldiers die in 2020, and its no longer part of their reality.  So now they can claim the rates of death on a website are real because in their reality they never Observed all those living soldiers.

Title: Re: Such lofty goals!
Post by Eegore on 08/24/23 at 14:08:41


Gotchya!   It's just like those Sanctuary City signs in Maathaz Viyahd.. Just a buncha self congratulatory Virtue Signalling, so they could all feel morally superior,, all the while Knowing they were so geographically distant from the hordes flooding into America that they believed they would never have to Prove they actually support the illegal aliens. And when they were given the opportunity to demonstrate their heartfelt desires to see the poor, downtrodden people who need some help,, they promptly hired a bus and shipped them away. Gosh!! How Frikken RACIST!!If Only they had been white!


 This is a good point.  Posturing can rarely stand up to pressure.

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