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Message started by Serowbot on 04/18/23 at 14:42:06

Title: Fox settles
Post by Serowbot on 04/18/23 at 14:42:06

They lied to you. $787M settlement.
Dominion machines changing votes was a lie. The election fraud was a lie.
Fox ain't gonna' tell you much,... but they all knew the truth, and they told you lies.

Dominion, Fox News settle defamation suit for stunning $787M, averting trial
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dominion-fox-news-settle-defamation-suit-for-stunning-787m-averting-trial-205038134.html

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/18/23 at 18:56:25

I'm pretty sure this will be a "But Billy broke two windows" defense where people will point out all the times other News" sources lied instead of acknowledging this one. Also I'm sure this can be turned into a gun rights argument somehow.

I for one am not surprised after the emails and texts came out and the judge instructed that the jury would only have to decide on the intent, not the accuracy of each individual claim. FOX waited, smartly, until the jury selection was over, essentially until the last minute, to pay up half.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by zevenenergie on 04/19/23 at 01:57:25

I'll live long enough to know that having your right and getting your right in court are two very different things. For me it is not certain that the voting machines are safe.
What is certain for me is that no matter which side you are dealing with, they always try to make you think in a certain way.

There is just a large group of people who hate Trump and they will do anything to ensure that he does not become a predent anymore. I'm not sure if that's wise or not.
But the way it is done is not democratic nor elegant.

How it will turn out in the end remains to be seen.

Meanwhile, journalists and politicians in Europe are threatened by the Chinese secret service if they express realistic criticism of China's expansionist drive. And in recent months those threats and manipulations have been made openly by chinese officials.

The current US president and his family have financial ties to China. And in such a way that you could say that they are in a blackmail grip of the Chinese Communist Party.

Anyway, let's not talk about the elephant in the room here. You are flashing your victory. Congratulations

I al most forgot:
Count your blessings...

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/23 at 04:01:24

The current US President aka The Big Guy is part of a massive crime family as detailed on his drug addicted son’s laptop but news organizations lied to us and told us it was Russian disinformation and suppressed news stories about it. But they won’t get sued and they won’t have to pay.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/23 at 06:39:58

Another way to look at this is a means to quiet (punish) news organizations from not following the approved news.

I’ve seen clips of Hilary and other Democrats on news shows suggesting voting machines were rigged when Trump won. Why no lawsuit then?

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/19/23 at 06:55:41

Another way to look at this is a means to quiet (punish) news organizations from not following the approved news.

I don't think so in this case. FOX management knew they were instructing their staff to push false information for profit. If they didn't know it would be different.

"I’ve seen clips of Hilary and other Democrats on news shows suggesting voting machines were rigged when Trump won. Why no lawsuit then?"

Because they didn't sue.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/23 at 08:21:52

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/19/23 at 09:58:41

Did CNN and MSNBC management know the Russian gate stories were false? Absolutely. Did they keep pushing it? Absolutely did they know the Hunter Biden laptop was legit? Absolutely. Did they silence that news? Absolutely.

Pretty fine line we’re drawing.

Yeah like I said before, lets not acknowledge that FOX was wrong and instead point fingers everywhere else. But Billy broke a window too! Sorry but Bobby ended up in court.

We aren't drawing a line. The answer is the same every time you ask, some "News" companies aren't being held liable in court because nobody has pressed a lawsuit against them.

Dominion sued, that's why there was a lawsuit and settlement. FOX was wrong, they settled in court when they were sued by a private party. When CNN gets sued by a private party and offers the same quality of evidence Dominion did against FOX I would expect a similar outcome.

In this case, a private party has to sue for this to be a comparable event.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/23 at 10:17:40

I’m not saying they weren’t wrong. I don’t know the details of the case.
I’m just saying Yes, it matters when one organization is singled out strictly for political purposes.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/19/23 at 11:33:38

It's been a long time since this happened but Fox fired two reporters because they didn't want to report the opposite of what their investigation showed.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Serowbot on 04/19/23 at 14:05:42

Next up... Smartmatic, suing Fox for more than $2 Billion... and they now have Dominion as a precedent.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/19/23 at 14:19:41

I’m not saying they weren’t wrong. I don’t know the details of the case.
I’m just saying Yes, it matters when one organization is singled out strictly for political purposes.

This is a civil case, not a judicial case pressed by the State, why would Dominion sue anyone other than FOX when they have evidence against FOX? Why would they "single out" anyone else? If my neighbor hits my car then drives away, and I have evidence of that, I sue him, not everyone else that hit cars that day. His friends pointing out all other car accidents and telling me I am "singling him out" means nothing in regard to my lawsuit.

The other "News" channels aren't paying out because nobody sued them. How much more fair can that possibly be?

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by J Mac on 04/19/23 at 18:39:59

09292B233E294C0 wrote:

The other "News" channels aren't paying out because nobody sued them. How much more fair can that possibly be?

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The other news channels wouldn't dare voice an opinion (or let a guest do so) that the Democrats cheated in any way, therefore they wouldn't be in a position to get sued. I don't follow Fox much anymore, but I remember they were VERY quick to call the election for Biden. Fox News is opportunistic, not partisan or conservative. They have a few hard-hitting conservative hosts, but they mostly fall into the opinion bucket, not reporting. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that you can get sued over what guests on your show say. If anybody on Fox News lied intentionally, it's wrong. Lying is wrong no matter who does it, and why does it seem leftists are granted the privilege to lie with impunity? All that being said, I don't trust voting machines run by non-US companies that have LAN cards in them allowing full time connection to the Internet. Leftists can gleefully rejoice and say this suit proves there was no election fraud, but let's not discount the immense paper ballot irregularities documented by Dinesh D'Souza in his documentary.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by J Mac on 04/19/23 at 18:43:51

You are a very wise man and make some excellent points. China seems to be a huge threat, and I've heard reports of much Chinese illegal migration within Europe and the USA. What are they getting ready for?

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Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/19/23 at 18:56:08

"The other news channels wouldn't dare voice an opinion (or let a guest do so) that the Democrats cheated in any way, therefore they wouldn't be in a position to get sued."

Ok so they stay out of defamation cases from private parties. The thing is people are freely mixing judicial prosecution from the State with Civil litigation from private parties. Those aren't the same thing, mixing them to make it seem like FOX is being singled out for prosecution is fundamentally incorrect and a blatant disregard for how the US Court system works.

The only reason FOX was sued for this reason and not somebody else was because a private party sued FOX. Pointing fingers at every other bad news source won't change that. Billy breaking windows won't stop Bobby from getting into trouble for doing it too.

Make the comparison realistic and say People need to ask Dominion why they didn't sue CNN about RussiaGate.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/23 at 04:58:59

why would Dominion sue anyone other than FOX when they have evidence against FOX?

Because Democrats cheat during elections and Dominion is protecting their customer.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/20/23 at 05:17:16

Because Democrats cheat during elections and Dominion is protecting their customer.

Ok so all those FOX emails texts and statements from their own employees are also protecting Dominion's customers. FOX screwed up and it cost them money in a civil, not criminal, case. They aren't "singled out" as Dominion has no evidence against CNN or MSNBC etc.

Dominion has no reason to sue CNN for damages to their company for anything related to RussiaGate. It makes no sense to use the Dominion V FOX case to ask why CNN isn't also being taken to court. You have to ask people damaged by RussiaGate why they aren't suing CNN.

If I am damaged by Billy's lies, and you ask why Bobby isn't being taken to court, the answer is because nobody sued Bobby. I can't go sue Bobby, because Billy is the one who caused damage to me. You ask why Billy is "singled out". Because I can only sue Billy, I can't go sue Bobby and Sally and Jimmy for damages that never happened specifically to me and that I have no evidence of.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by zevenenergie on 04/20/23 at 07:27:49

[quote author=6368705664686A62090 link=1681854126/0#13 date=1681955031]You are a very wise man and make some excellent points. China seems to be a huge threat, and I've heard reports of much Chinese illegal migration within Europe and the USA. What are they getting ready for?

I sometimes have my moments...

China initially wanted to have a position in the world where they could no longer be oppressed by the West.

The ccp has not been sitting still for the past 30 years.
The Chinese are masters of political warfare, while the West has abandoned this sport after the Cold War.

They have tried to bribe and swindle all the people who are in strategic places to implement policies that are conducive to China.
Also presidents.
With the result that they control all strategic hotspots on an economic level all over the word.
Africa for the raw materials.
Western ports and airports, important waterways such as the Suez Canal.
And they control many non-Western countries by providing loans for mega projects.

In the US, manny retail chains and an enormous amount of agricultural land are in there hands.
One of their main goals is to break the petrol dollar.

This overwhelming success means that they are already way ahead of their target and the ccp now aims to completely dominate worldtrade.

They have introduced a watertight social control system in their home country.
They want to extend that system to all the countries they occupy.
To wield total power so that they can force people to trade with a chinese digital currency, And make that the main currency in the word. And thus breaking the petrol dollar.

They are not shying away from any means at the moment.
But they will postpone military conquests as long as they can because it does not fit into their strategy.

But as soon as they are stopped in their expansion drive, they will respond militarily.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/23 at 17:18:42

You don’t know if Dominion does or does not have evidence.

The fact is dominion is an a far better position with Democrats in charge than with Republicans. That’s a fact. Republicans have been burned by less than honest elections and electronic voting machines or an obvious facilitator of that. So why would dominion sue MSNBC or CNN as they are Democratic Party mouthpieces?

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/20/23 at 17:29:44

6C7360737873787364717F73160 wrote:

yeah. no argumeny from here..

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/20/23 at 19:29:48

You don’t know if Dominion does or does not have evidence.

I'm not sure that's true since the damages are regarding publicly aired statements. This means we all have that evidence since it was public. I will have 2 teams double check on this but to my knowledge, just doing 14 simple searches on 9 different engines with 4 AI audio passes on each companies archived material, CNN and MSNBC did not publicly air repeated statements that Dominion machines were switching votes from Trump to Biden.

The evidence in the FOX v Dominion case was made public - so we all know they had evidence, that FOX doesn't even dispute, thus the settlement.

"The fact is dominion is an a far better position with Democrats in charge than with Republicans. That’s a fact. Republicans have been burned by less than honest elections and electronic voting machines or an obvious facilitator of that. So why would dominion sue MSNBC or CNN as they are Democratic Party mouthpieces?"

Because they didn't air the statements Dominion has claimed are damaging. Just as I don't go sue people who did not damage my property even if they are liars or criminals, I can't do that under Civil litigation. Remember FOX was not taken to court by the State, they were taken to court by a Private Company, and FOX decided the evidence against them meant a settlement payout was the best choice. FOX made that decision not a court, definitely not a criminal court.

When you ask:
"I’ve seen clips of Hilary and other Democrats on news shows suggesting voting machines were rigged when Trump won. Why no lawsuit then?"

Because nobody sued them. There was no lawsuit because nobody claimed damages from these statements. You are mixing Judicial questions with Civil litigation.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by zevenenergie on 04/21/23 at 02:22:29

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I will have 2 teams double check on this but to my knowledge, just doing 14 simple searches on 9 different engines with 4 AI audio passes on each companies archived material, CNN and MSNBC did not publicly air repeated statements that Dominion machines were switching votes from Trump to Biden.

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Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/23 at 04:01:56

good post

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Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/21/23 at 06:17:58

I can't help but notice that you've had unfair discussions in the past. You can try to hide that by saying that you have done a lot of research and even with the help of AI audio analysis tools, but you will not fool me with that. Grafeen sticks to your fingers.

I'd be more than happy to give you direct communication, without my involvement, to each individual used in this specific search as long as they consent. PM me and I will accommodate contact information and additional resources, on how searching was, and can be done.

You act like its a lot of research but it isn't really that hard to use search engines or AI. Just because you say you can't get it to work on one topic does not mean nobody else can.

Or... you can stop making accusations about me, without proof, and provide information that disputes mine. Provide multiple statements by CNN and MSNBC that state Dominion voting machines changed votes from Trump to Biden. Simple.

"The fact that it was a private company does not mean that there are no political motives involved."

I was answering Webstermark's question as to why other "news" outlets aren't held liable for statements on their programs. It is because nobody has sued them. This is Civil litigation not Judicial proceedings.

"If, as a Democrat, you really have a superior way of representing a society, then why litigate against Trump and with this lawsuit?
Now you are only trying to influence the image."

Webstermark claims FOX was "singled out" in reference to FOX v Dominion. FOX was "singled out" because Dominion has evidence of damage against FOX, and no other "news" outlet. The information is public, FOX is not even disputing it. FOX isn't sued for making general false statements to society in violation of any law by the State - if they were Webstermark's question would have merit as all "news" outlets would, under Judicial proceedings be equally accountable - but this is a Civil case.

FOX is "singled out" because Dominion has a case against FOX. They do not have a case against CNN or MSNBC. Mixing Judicial method with Civil method is pointless. If I damage your property you can sue me, but not every human that causes damage. If Bobby broke your window it makes no sense for me to complain that Billy broke somebody else's window, and ask why is Bobby being "singled out".

"The discussion is about whether the voting machines are waterproof, right?"

No. It is about FOX settling a Civil lawsuit, and why FOX was "singled out" and sued while CNN or MSNBC was not sued. Because nobody sued CNN or MSNBC. Go sue them under a Civil case if you want them to be sued just like FOX was.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by zevenenergie on 04/21/23 at 07:08:51

This what the discution is about:

They lied to you. $787M settlement.
Dominion machines changing votes was a lie. The election fraud was a lie.
Fox ain't gonna' tell you much,... but they all knew the truth, and they told you lies.

Trump is portrayed as a criminal. And that the voting machines were watertight during the elections.

The message is clear but I don't buy it.
I see it differently. How I see it, I tell you clearly.

I prefer that the voting machines are investigated, because I think it's all just a bit too slick.

And after at the things that happened, it just seems to me, the right thing to do.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/21/23 at 07:39:28

Trump is portrayed as a criminal. And that the voting machines were watertight during the elections

What I see is a statement saying FOX lied:

"They lied to you." - Meaning FOX.
"$787M settlement." - Paid by FOX

"Dominion machines changing votes was a lie. The election fraud was a lie." - Stated repeatedly on FOX.

Fox ain't gonna' tell you much,... but they all knew the truth, and they told you lies. A clear statement about FOX.

Looks to me like FOX is what we are talking about here. Especially when I am replying to Webstermark asking why FOX, not Trump, but FOX, was "singled out".

I prefer that the voting machines are investigated, because I think it's all just a bit too slick.

And after at the things that happened, it just seems to me, the right thing to do.

I agree, but I also think any group that says the machines are not connected to the internet will just be accused of lying because voting machines that are isolated are simply not an accepted outcome. We made 3 fake voting machines to be audited and we were told they were LAN carded, and had USB to modem connectivity. They were nothing more than Arduino screens powered by a car battery stuffed into old Pyxis pharmacy machine cases.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by WebsterMark on 04/21/23 at 08:09:15

"The fact is dominion is an a far better position with Democrats in charge than with Republicans. That’s a fact. Republicans have been burned by less than honest elections and electronic voting machines or an obvious facilitator of that. So why would dominion sue MSNBC or CNN as they are Democratic Party mouthpieces?"

Because they didn't air the statements Dominion has claimed are damaging.

But they did. It’s just Dominion took no action when they accused their equipment of being to easy to hack and inferred that’s one reason why Hilary lost in 2016. I remember news stories on this.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by zevenenergie on 04/21/23 at 08:19:41

You agree.
Ok that sounds hopeful.
With voting machines there is always someone who can access the information and knows where everything is written. if there is 1 there may be more. You can secure that access with a Hashing, but that is also passable.

Pleace look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/21/23 at 08:20:24

But they did. It’s just Dominion took no action when they accused their equipment of being to easy to hack and inferred that’s one reason why Hilary lost in 2016. I remember news stories on this.

No they didn't. Dominion didn't claim those statements as damaging. When you ask why FOX was "singled out" it is because Dominion claimed, and provided evidence, that FOX made damaging actions. They did not claim any other "news" outlet did.

Like I said, the response is to ask why Bobby didn't get in trouble like Billy did instead of just acknowledging Billy got in trouble and had to pay for the broken window. Billy figured it was easier to pay for the window than to go to court to defend the video footage of him throwing rocks at windows.

Billy lost this time. Bobby didn't have anyone claim he broke their window.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/21/23 at 08:42:36

With voting machines there is always someone who can access the information and knows where everything is written.

This is true for all things. No machine can ever have information retrieved from it without accessing it. If this were no true then votes would be cast and then nobody would ever know who won.

The issue is if the machine is actually hooked to a network. I was told fake machines that aren't even voting machines were hackable. There were people crawling on the floors checking cables and outlets etc. We did this to prove that the evaluations were not reliable but instead nothing more than a group of people wanting to push an agenda.

The question is what will people accept as evidence. If YouTube is all we need then voting integrity will depend on what YouTube video someone watched and wants to believe. In my case if all it takes is a group of "auditors" that just look at USB ports and say they are "hackable" then every machine will always be hackable.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by zevenenergie on 04/21/23 at 09:01:29

Dominion and fox are not the problem.They they both know that electronic voting is not safe

Eelctronic voting is olso not a real problem, It is just that there is no way to do that waterproof.

Just ask any hacker.

But you are the real problem.

You are being tempert in your gut feeling by what is in the news.

The reality is; voting machines are not safe.
Electronic voting is manipulable.

So are you still going to tell me that the election was fair?

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/21/23 at 09:35:59

"But you are the real problem.

You are being tempert in your gut feeling by what is in the news."

I've spent years on here showing why I don't use mainstream "news" as a source of information. I prefer to actually go get Lindell's data dumps, or look at actual Dominion machines in-use.

None of this changes that FOX was sued by Dominion and that in order for other companies to be sued in civil court they would have to be sued by someone. FOX didn't dispute they lied.

The reality is; voting machines are not safe.
Electronic voting is manipulable.

Connected machines without physical tabulation verification aren't very safe. When we can see the physical imprint on the physical paper for every vote I find it hard to believe that can be hacked. This is why the machines should have this type of system. I own 12 laptops that when built never had Wi-Fi cards or modems installed specifically for running manually input data. Would these be hackable?

"So are you still going to tell me that the election was fair?"

I never did tell you that.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by zevenenergie on 04/21/23 at 09:44:59

My son is highly gifted. He works in the IT department of Euronext Amsterdam. Computers have no secrets for him. At the age of 12 he designed a control room for the police and ambulances. For a company in America without us knowing. LoL. He was in charge of that project. And at the time I gave him sermons about how good it was to pay attention in school which he didn't. So that's my source when I want to know about companies and computer systems.

I feel that you are lecturing me the same way I did him. Its a bit boring to me.

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by Eegore on 04/21/23 at 09:48:35

I feel that you are lecturing me the same way I did him. Its a bit boring to me.

I am answering questions you asked of me. Also you are making up statements I never made.

If that bores you, then maybe you shouldn't ask those questions or fabricate those statements.

What issue do you see with machines that also have a physical imprint on tangible paper?

Title: Re: Fox settles
Post by zevenenergie on 04/21/23 at 11:20:00

One issue is the possibility of hacking or tampering with the machines. Even if there is a paper trail, if the electronic voting machines are not secure, they can still be compromised. It's important to have strong cybersecurity measures in place to prevent any unauthorized access or manipulation of the voting machines.

Another issue is the accuracy of the paper trail. While a paper record provides a way to verify the electronic results, if the paper trail is not properly maintained, it can be inaccurate or incomplete. It's important to have procedures in place to ensure that the paper trail is properly stored and verified, and that any discrepancies are investigated and resolved.

Lastly, there is a risk of voter intimidation or interference. If the voting machines are not easily accessible or there are long wait times, it can discourage some voters from casting their ballots. It's important to ensure that voting is accessible and convenient for all eligible voters, regardless of their location or circumstances.

Edit: integrity is a nice word, but it is a rare phenomenon.