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Message started by J Mac on 03/11/23 at 17:30:14

Title: Masks
Post by J Mac on 03/11/23 at 17:30:14

Why Isn’t the CDC Warning Parents That Masking Their Kids Creates Unacceptably High Levels of CO2?

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-isnt-the-cdc-warning-parents

Title: Re: Masks
Post by MnSpring on 03/11/23 at 18:04:34

Real Simple.

Just another way of, Dumbing Down !

The 'mask' generation,
WILL be stunted, dumber, and much more complacent.
So much easier to control.

Title: Re: Masks
Post by Eegore on 03/11/23 at 19:15:27

Probably because the CDC has historically never provided guidance because a "paper is published". If they changed their stance for every privately published study we would have dozens of changes a week.

I'm not aware of any kids dropping dead from wearing a mask but I am aware of other low-impact issues that aggravate over time that would be detrimental to their long-term productivity and comfort.

Maybe someday, when more of this information is actually holding some evidentiary value the CDC will change it's guidance, or they might just hold to their guns so to speak.

Title: Re: Masks
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/23 at 09:17:37

I'm not aware of any kids dropping dead from wearing a mask

Well, okay then,, no problem.. Musta made them stronger.

Title: Re: Masks
Post by MnSpring on 03/14/23 at 09:46:56

"... aware of other low-impact issues that aggravate over time that would be detrimental to their long-term productivity and comfort. ..."

Is that a 'word crafted', version of;
' Dumbing Down ' ?

Title: Re: Masks
Post by Eegore on 03/14/23 at 11:07:58

"Is that a 'word crafted', version of;
' Dumbing Down ' ?"

No. I do not think wearing masks makes kids dumber.

Title: Re: Masks
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/23 at 12:45:40

Lowered O2 sats in the blood don't matter?
Maybe we should serve paint chips with that?

Title: Re: Masks
Post by Eegore on 03/14/23 at 13:05:18

Lowered O2 sats in the blood don't matter?

From what I know, it wouldn't impact their intellect substantially, unless of course it's non-stop. Like sleeping, all-day at school, only off to eat and that's it. It has negative impacts, but to say mask wearing in school for a year or two will make an entire generation intellectually inferior makes little sense, as multiple countries have done this for decades, like China, and have not reflected those results.

Maybe we should serve paint chips with that?

Or just be realistic and say 02 stats have negative impacts but we don't have to act like kids will all be idiots because they had to wear them in school for a few years.

Title: Re: Masks
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/23 at 13:27:24

I'm satisfied that nothing affects your opinion. People weren't Forced into the jab because nobody held them down and jabbed them.
Masks aren't injurious if they don't
A
Kill or
Number B
Make idiots of them.

I'm surprised you didn't get hit in mouth a lot as a kid.

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Title: Re: Masks
Post by MnSpring on 03/14/23 at 13:29:40

Not aware of all the studies about;

Research reveals
why low oxygen
damages the brain

Title: Re: Masks
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/23 at 14:09:39

Duude,, you can Prove him wrong and he doesn't care. So,, have fun.. Understand that effort spent is effort wasted. I'm sure I will continue to do the same

Title: Re: Masks
Post by Eegore on 03/14/23 at 14:25:31

"I'm satisfied that nothing affects your opinion. People weren't Forced into the jab because nobody held them down and jabbed them."

They weren't "Forced", they were, as I have already said, inappropriately and heavily coerced. Why you need me to agree to the usage of the word "Forced" and not to the overall conversation I don't know.

"Masks aren't injurious if they don't
A
Kill or
Number B
Make idiots of them."

I never said that, you are taking my response to the specific words "DUMBED DOWN" and acting like I didn't already say: "that aggravate over time that would be detrimental to their long-term productivity and comfort". I was saying that when MnSpring asked if my statement was wordsmithing for "DUMBED DOWN" my answer was no, because that is not what my sentence was referring to. You over-react and pretend like I said masks are harmless, this is fukking laffable.

I agreed masks are detrimental, I just don't think the kids that wore masks in school for a few years will be dumber than other kids. If this were true then countries that have done this long-term would be experiencing those outcomes.

Surgeons that wear masks 1/5th of their life would be really, really stupid by the time they were 50 as they will wear masks much longer than any kid at school during Covid panic.

Guys working as sandblasters, or power washers, or paint booths are doomed, they wear masks darn near all day. They must be really dumb.

Or maybe, my words were referring to other ailments, besides intellect.

Title: Re: Masks
Post by Eegore on 03/14/23 at 14:30:27

Research reveals
why low oxygen
damages the brain

Look at the timeframes and actual 02 rates. Fabric masks don't even come close to lowering the levels enough, during the times masks are required, to make an entire generation of kids dumber than kids that didn't have to wear masks at school.

There are detrimental outcomes, but long term cognitive brain function isn't something I've seen evidence of. Kids that live in cold climates that wear masks most the day aren't bumbling idiots that can't compete with kids in lower climates that do not wear masks.

Title: Re: Masks
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/23 at 17:59:04

You equate a nylon winter mask to a paper or cloth mask and parade around act like you are so smart.
It's like comparing a chain link fence to a t shirt.

Title: Re: Masks
Post by Eegore on 03/14/23 at 19:48:15

"You equate a nylon winter mask to a paper or cloth mask and parade around act like you are so smart.
It's like comparing a chain link fence to a t shirt."

You equate my clarifying that when I said masks are detrimental long-term but was not saying they "dumb down" the education potential of children to me saying masks are awesome.

Surgeons wear the same cloth/fiber style masks as kids in school. They must all be really dumb, they wear masks way, way more than those kids did.

This idea that kids that wore masks during Covid are going to be dumb comes from where exactly? You really think those kids will just be dumb now?

Title: Re: Masks
Post by WebsterMark on 03/15/23 at 04:03:45

Hundreds of thousands of people wear masks everyday for work. My job takes me into industrial facilities where masks are mandatory. Yes, a mask is a filter and all filters exhibit a resistance to airflow which reduces the volume of air each breath, but we compensate by breathing deeper and more often.

Eegore is right, if wearing mask were inherently dangerous, we would have hundreds of thousands of people in trouble because they were mask every day year after year after year.

Now, with regards to children, that’s a little different. There’s a possibility that if a child’s mask is too restrictive yes, they’re not getting enough air in and they’re not exhaling hard enough to force contaminants away so they’re inhaled again. Some children compensate, some don’t compensate as much as they should. And since children’s brains and bodies are developing it’s more harmful for them then it would be for us for example. Everybody knows this which is why it was so disheartening to see this mask mandates for kindergarten, first and second graders. That was always ridiculous.

But Covid and logic rarely went together.

Title: Re: Masks
Post by Eegore on 03/15/23 at 05:20:57

"if wearing mask were inherently dangerous, we would have hundreds of thousands of people in trouble because they were mask every day year after year after year."

Nah they are all dumbed down now.

I agree with the larger issue being the child development stages and how things like altered sleep, due to masks, and this can cause overlapping fatigue patterns, until they take the mask off for a day - like a weekend for instance. I'm sure someone will Spin it to say fatigue means kids don't learn as well so they will all be dumb, but there is no evidence at this point, to show that fatigue permanently drops IQ.

However I do recall when the oxygen inhibiting fitness masks came out they did find that children using one did actually gain more lung capacity. The difference here is they didn't wear the masks all day. So athletically they were slightly beneficial but they didn't use them enough to create a data-set regarding cognitive skills. What they did notice is almost every kid pulled the mask away from their face instinctually to get more air, they didn't just maintain a level of discomfort for the funzies.

I think the issue is if you want to think the education system to be less valuable today than it was X-years ago, or dumbed down, you will not require any evidence that masks made kids dumb. If you don't really care, then you can recognize that its mathematically impossible to know right now because there hasn't been enough time to tell.

My guess is these kids will still go to college, be able to drive, go get jobs etc. They won't be recognizably inept and just plain dumb kids because they wore masks at school for a while. I imagine most of them just pulled the mask away from their face, or wore it loose to be more comfortable anyway. I could be wrong however, but my opinion is not fact so I won't sit here saying kids will for sure be dumb forever, or not dumb forever due to masks at school.