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Title: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by pg on 02/05/23 at 15:42:42 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/angry-dutches-post-notes-every-covid-vaccine-deaths-netherlands-largest-news-agency-video/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by Eegore on 02/05/23 at 21:39:49 I'd be interested in what versions were distributed and when. I've seen way too many Pfizer complaints about Moderna and the other way around. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by zevenenergie on 02/06/23 at 02:01:29 7F686E626D7D0F0 wrote:
It is true that this was in the news on our main news provider, De Nederlands Omroep foundation. It is a news channel that is actually a state broadcaster. There is an excess mortality in our country recognized by the government, which has not yet been scientifically explained. However, our government refuses to investigate and certainly not whether it can be related to the covid vaccine as many parties suspect. Our government has made serious mistakes on many fronts in recent years. Extensive corruption and very bad policies have come to light. You don't have to be an expert in consperic theories in the Netherlands to see what's going on here. The political debates clearly show what is happenig. And divisive practices of big pharma are openly discussed here. Dutch people are down-to-earth people, they don't beat around the bush, they are very direckt and praktical in their approach of things. Most people see that the whole covid thing sucks. Looking at the web site your link takes us to, I do have my doubts about where you get your information from. You should look at the advertisements on it. Advertisers choose these kinds of sites because people come here with good faith. take e.g. spam scam email. They are very easy to recognize as scams. scammers do that so they know they're getting people with good faith. So if you are on a site with those obvious scam ads, then you know that you should not be there for reliable information. You must realize that everything that is between your ears does not correspond to reality. And that in fact you know nothing. And that applies to everyone. So be careful of people who proclaim the truth. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by pg on 02/06/23 at 03:52:06 There is an excess mortality in our country recognized by the government, which has not yet been scientifically explained. However, our government refuses to investigate and certainly not whether it can be related to the covid vaccine as many parties suspect. Excess mortality seems to be an understatement, I seriously doubt they will investigate anything. Your government is out of control and does not have the people's best interest at heart. Your government is dismantling the agriculture industry there by decree. I look at a number of smaller websites and form an opinion from there. They generally have more information than what the MSM spews. Also, in my opinion, the MSM has little to no merit here in the states. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by zevenenergie on 02/06/23 at 04:08:23 I am always very careful with conclusions. I keep an open mind. That prevents a lot of projections and wrong assumptions and does not rule out any possibilities. You can have very little influence on what happens in the world.So don,t be to involved. When your thoughts are dominant and your heart is closed, that is actually the worst thing that can happen to you. No matter what the circumstances are. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by MnSpring on 02/06/23 at 08:41:31 "... Looking at the web site your link takes us to, I do have my doubts about where you get your information from. ..." Seems like that, (to the like), was said before. From another poster, about another poster . |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by Eegore on 02/06/23 at 11:36:58 Looking at the web site your link takes us to, I do have my doubts about where you get your information from The difference here is one poster actually reads the information before they say the source is lying. But lets ignore that part. Its been stated here multiple times that the source is irrelevant as long as the information is accurate. This is obviously a double standard because if information is interpreted to be from a "government" source it's considered "lies" without even looking at it. Also without so much as looking at reference material people just claim it's from "the government" so they can discredit it, even if it's not from any government source. But that exact same information, word for word, number for number, is "truth" if it comes from a different source like The Gateway Pundit. So the whole "The source shouldn't matter" applies only for certain members, for certain sources, not all. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by zevenenergie on 02/06/23 at 13:14:29 There is a parliamentary investigation going on in the Netherlands about how the government made decisions during the covid period. The proces can be followed live. The government appears to have lied about just about everything. They are stripped naked by the parliamentary committee. So what are you talking about Eegore? |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/06/23 at 14:07:52 This is obviously a double standard because if information is interpreted to be from a "government" source it's considered "lies" without even looking at it. Double standard? Or the reasonable result of being smart enough to see the lies from the liars? Anyone who starts with Believing what the Government says because they trust the government is someone who hasn't suffered enough. The government, the Experts, their track record is not anything that Should engender confidence. Government, media and experts ,wing to wing, on the wire, chirping out the same message? Danger,Will Robinson.. Every trade agreement, every build up to war, bow to the AwThorItays,,, THEY will Tell You what You should believe.. Get the Jabs! You will not get Covid.. Okay, you can get it, but you won't DAH! Yeah, well,, Ooopsies.. Keep believing. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by pg on 02/06/23 at 14:13:45 This is obviously a double standard because if information is interpreted to be from a "government" source it's considered "lies" without even looking at it. Also without so much as looking at reference material people just claim it's from "the government" so they can discredit it, even if it's not from any government source. Ok, how about Hunter's laptop. Yeah, he is going after all those who perpetuated the 'Russian disinformation.' https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276 https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000 Look at all those people who lied.............. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by Eegore on 02/06/23 at 15:29:39 "Double standard? Or the reasonable result of being smart enough to see the lies from the liars?" So why is the exact same document true when it comes from The Gateway Pundit? You referenced back the exact same document that I used after you called it "lies". Why have you repeatedly referenced CDC documents to prove your stance? The point is You have stated that the "Source" is not important if the information is accurate. You say that doesn't apply to any government documents. Then You provide government documents as evidence. You don't see how people can have an issue with that? Your only defense is to falsely claim I said to trust government information. I never said that. I not once have ever said anything like that. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by Eegore on 02/06/23 at 15:34:39 Ok, how about Hunter's laptop. Yeah, he is going after all those who perpetuated the 'Russian disinformation.' https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-4... https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000 Look at all those people who lied.............. Again I never claimed any of that was true or that government officials weren't lying I never said anything like that. When I say a Facebook post lying, and reference a US Government archive of current laws - that does not mean I think every Government document is true. It means I think that one Facebook post referenced here saying Congress "secretly" changed a law overnight is a lie, and that's it. That in no way means members of Congress are always and forever honest, but people will act like that's what I am saying, instead of using the actual words I actually really said. I never said to trust the government, that is a fabricated statement used because people over-react or don't even bother to read what I post, OR what they post. You referenced a government document, than tell me government documents cant be trusted. What? |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by pg on 02/06/23 at 19:06:39 I never said anything like that. You often support or disparage parallel positions to arguments.......... Regardless, these are the highest people propagating these falsehoods. Russian collusion, Covid, Russian disinformation, and the list goes on and on.................... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by Eegore on 02/07/23 at 05:26:09 You often support or disparage parallel positions to arguments.......... Based off the information within the references, that typically the person posting it won't even look at for themselves. See this is the part you ignore. Instead of looking at where the information comes from and making an accuracy decision based off that, I actually look at the information then have teams cross reference it. In most cases here people won't even look at their own references, which explains why they think they aren't using government information, then argue with someone who does read it, and references back the exact same government information. Its like if TGP says the Biden Administration "Quietly begins flat Earth committee, dedicates funding to teaching it in schools" and they provide a reference. I read that reference for you and I post back that the funding is about education but not about flat earth and link the same info TGP did and the local school district budgets. In response I am told I believe everything the government says. All I am doing is saying TGP lied to you, the information You provided as reference doesn't say what you were told by TGP. Government officials lying about Russiagate does not mean every government document is now false, and that The Gateway Pundit, or Facebook posts from random humans is always accurate. Any source can lie. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/07/23 at 21:21:44 After years, decades,, of the government lying, allegations are true until further notice. No legacy media are believable unless they are exposing government lies. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by zevenenergie on 02/08/23 at 01:37:32 US news outlets such as CNN get their news through various sources, including their own journalists and reporters, news agencies, agencies and government, public and private institutions, citizens and witnesses, etc. They also practice their own fact-checking and verification procedures to ensure that the news is "accurate and reliable". American news outlets such as CNN often collaborate with various news agencies, such as the Associated Press (AP), Reuters, and Agence France-Presse (AFP), to obtain news stories and information. These news agencies collect and distribute news from different parts of the world. The owners of the following news agencies are: Associated Press (AP): AP is a cooperative organization owned by its members, which consists of 1,400 daily newspapers and 5,000 radio and television stations around the world. Reuters: Reuters is a subsidiary of Thomson Reuters, a multinational media company based in Toronto, Canada. Agence France-Presse (AFP): AFP is a state-owned company with an established base in France. It is funded by the French government and revenue from selling news stories to clients around the world. So of those 3 news givers.... 1 is a state company and 1 is a commercial company. And then you have the various media companies that make a selection and can manipulate an opinion, just look at fox and cnn. (News Corp - WarnerMedia) I'm not saying the government always lies but there are so many ways to manipulate the news. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by Eegore on 02/08/23 at 05:28:51 "I'm not saying the government always lies but there are so many ways to manipulate the news." Agreed. The amount of pictures taken from Facebook posts as "truth" is concerning, and even more concerning is the unwillingness to acknowledge that almost every single one posted on here has been fake, or incorrect. It's like Facebook never lies if it is saying something bad about something you don't like. How plausible is that? The logic that a source is irrelevant as long as the information is correct makes sense, but refusing to look at the information to see if it's correct makes no sense. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by MnSpring on 02/08/23 at 15:43:13 "... news outlets such as CNN get their news through various sources,..." Wonder why Chicken Noodle News, (and like) did not report on the Bald Faced Lies, but about the person that gave the rebuttable ! |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by Eegore on 02/08/23 at 20:18:18 "Wonder why Chicken Noodle News, (and like) did not report on the Bald Faced Lies, but about the person that gave the rebuttable !" Money. The same reason counter-programming like FOX don't spend equal time reporting accurately on issues their customers won't pay to hear. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/08/23 at 23:09:00 The media are not believable. Fox is not conservative. They hired Donna Brazile, ffs.. The political parties are nothing but a Punch and Judy show,delivering the Appearance of choice and an ability to Vote our way Out of this crap. Trump was THE chance. He screwed up and the vicious left and enough of the So Called Republicans worked against him to destroy what he did For America. Good FUKKIN GOD! Watching the butthurt left scream about Trump changing things and saying It's Only Because Obama did that that he is against it.. Bullshitt.. Everyone with a brain supported those decisions Because they were Bad ideas. You can NOT haven't, WON'T,, TELL us WHY Biden's choices were good for America. It's shocking that anyone who supported biden hasn't had the balls to admit what a disaster this buncha turds are. |
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Title: Re: Is this story accurate Zev? Post by zevenenergie on 02/09/23 at 05:19:16 You appear to be expressing anger and frustration. Anger and frustration are a strain on your body. And if anything frustrates, it's politics. I would take a picture of Biden (not Trump) and go to a shooting range for an afternoon to blow off some steam. You can also bring your laptop and shoot the discussions on suzukisavagesavage.com. It's nice if you can turn that into a zoom meeting so we can enjoy it with you. |
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