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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/22 at 05:21:48

Title: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/22 at 05:21:48

Probably nobody will be looking at this. Bad title.
Double? Yeah, IDK about That, but it's worth the cost.
So IF you have more plants, doesn't That say something about the survivability of the environment? Yeah, that is a real question. The REEEE about Muh Environment boils down to the survival of our species. I don't believe we are being threatened except by the people who want to control us. Might hafta kick a window outta the ant arm

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For all I know that is just a heater. I went looking for greenhouse CO2 generators and there are plenty, but I didn't see That one.
The POINT is, right there.

Aaand that will not be a topic
Nor will railroad change a mind.

But, if I elected a dead guy, a near brain dead guy,, and my leader could barely read a prompter, and WE STILL WON,, why would I care about the obvious?

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Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Eegore on 11/19/22 at 07:48:59

It's like saying if the planet is getting warmer why do people heat their homes?

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/22 at 08:29:08

It's a lot warmer than it was. It Was pretty much covered in ice. Remnants of buildings in the ocean, because it Was dry land because so much water was piled up, solid ice,
So, is there some reason to believe that the environmental influences that thawed out the planet several times stopped warming the planet as soon as humanity was able to thrive? Is there any reason to believe that warming is finished?
Is there any scientific evidence that Earth was ever warmer than it is now?

Well, Yes,yes there is.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Eegore on 11/19/22 at 17:24:43

It depends on where you look.

As for the Co2 in greenhouses argument its like we are expected to ignore that greenhouses are literally designed to alter the atmosphere for plants.

Call me with that Co2 in greenhouses argument when they pump C02 into nurseries full of human babies.

The trees outside my home don't need heat in the winter, they are just fine, so why do I heat my home?

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/22 at 18:13:55

why do I heat my home?

Idk,E, why Do you heat your home?

I'm a bit nervous asking.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Eegore on 11/19/22 at 20:02:07

"Idk,E, why Do you heat your home?"

Because I will die if I don't. Trees, and many plants however will be just fine.

The logic of asking why greenhouses use Co2 to double plant growth is because Co2 is good for plants, in those greenhouses. You don't pump Co2 into a room full of humans.

Equating enclosed controlled environments designed for plant growth to the Entire Earth is an intentionally misleading logic. Its like me saying if the planet warming is not a big deal why do people cool their homes?

The climate issue is about humans living, not the "planet" or every living thing on it. If oceans rise fish will love it.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/22 at 23:28:29

No, E, you are twisting things.
Co2 makes For more plants. Satellites show increased coverage by plants while co2 has increased. Plants are beneficial and shade earth, cooling soil temperatures.
You tell me what I'm doing and frankly, I'm surprised, because it's Not what I'm doing.
How you manage to interpret it the way you do is surprising.

How do you manage to focus so narrowly?

GUESS WHAT??
THE WORLD HAS BEEN WARMER THAN IT IS RIGHT FUKKING NOW.

And remnants of buildings are under water.

Ignore everything
Split hairs
Innacurate accusations

Fukk me.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Eegore on 11/20/22 at 00:47:45

GUESS WHAT??
THE WORLD HAS BEEN WARMER THAN IT IS RIGHT FUKKING NOW.

Yeah and the greenhouses using Co2 to accelerate growth is a poor argument to support that.

It has zero correlation to what you are claiming in regards to Co2 creating more plant growth.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/22 at 03:53:59

Says Who?
You?

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Eegore on 11/20/22 at 04:39:54

Says Who?
You?

On this forum, yes me.

We already discussed this. To you green = universally good. To me green is only good if it is beneficial to human growth and or sustainability. If every plant on the planet universally impacted humans the same way then I'd be onboard with the greenhouse Co2 logic.

If I own a farm and it gets over-run with weeds that are 3x larger than produce plants is it better because there's more green? Will I feed people with my Co2 burning, shade making, soil cooling, weeds?

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Serowbot on 11/20/22 at 07:04:54

As I see it,... it's not so much the change in temperature, that's the problem,... it's the speed of change.
The change as you point out, is natural,... the speed is not.
Coastal cities will not be able to adjust that quickly and it will be expensive.... same for farms.
We can naturally migrate over time.
Sudden migration will cause huge economic and health problems.
Billions of people cannot shift that fast.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/22 at 08:16:17

own a farm and it gets over-run with weeds that are 3x larger than produce plants is it better because there's more green? Will I feed people with my Co2 burning, shade making, soil cooling, weeds?

Seen a lot of that, have ya?

Twilight Zone weeds?

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/22 at 08:18:35

7E687F627A6F62790D0 wrote:

How can you possibly know that? I’ve heard this for 20 years now. Miami was supposed to be underwater by now.

And no one really believes this because look at all of the high profile climate change activists who are multimillionaires and buy coastal homes. If they really believed in a short period of time, All those terrible things were going to happen, they wouldn’t buy it. That’s ridiculous.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/22 at 08:25:47

Who is more Connected than bankers? I'm supposed to believe a loan can be obtained for multimillion dollar properties that are soon to be Glass Bottom Boat tour attractions?

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Serowbot on 11/20/22 at 08:34:44

There are currently government programs that insure the uninsurable coastal properties at great discount. Originally intended to assist fishermen and working class people that made their livings off the sea. Now, it's a haven for the rich, and it needs to change, Working class folk were driven off by high land valuations and tax assessments.
As long as we tax payers are subsiding the rich and their beach homes they'll be more than happy to build and rebuild.. ...on our dime.

John Stossel did a whole program on it, all the while gloating over his taking advantage of it himself.
You can probably Google it.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/22 at 10:02:28

Okay, so Obama is just that stupid. Imagine building your life in a place that is gonna be underwater. And, bot, I'm betting those properties you're talking about may well get clobbered, but the water goes away and repairs get made. See the difference between underwater forever, Glass Bottom Boat tour attractions and houses like in Galveston, they get clobbered, the storm goes away, the water drains away, it gets REBUILT, unlike properties that graduate to Glass Bottom Boat tour attractions?

I can't believe that needs explained

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Serowbot on 11/20/22 at 11:02:56

Why would anyone buy a $10M Bugatti that costs $22,000 for an oil change?
I don't know,... but do you want to subsidize their insurance?

Sure, the super rich can buy what they want,... but what about the people of Bangladesh? Africa? China?
We are 8 billion people now... not all beachfront property is luxury.
Not everyone has a car... for some people the answer to flood is run.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/22 at 11:17:25

Not the point.
I'm telling you that the problem you're trying to solve isn't the problem you're convinced it is. As evidence I offer the logical point that If it was actually the concern you believe it is, Obama and others would not be living where they are. And what is it exactly you expect? You expect sea levels to go up like a flash flood? Explain, just Describe what you expect to happen. You think the oceans are going to rise forty feet in a day? Week? Month? The disaster that you await has been Gonna Happen any minnit now for decades. When it Finally starts, what's it gonna look like? A wall of water because all the ice melted at the same time? The remnants of a settlement on the bottom of, I think the Mediterranean, because ice melted, you figure they didn't have time to escape?
So, describe the situation you believe is coming. The coastal regions flooded, I get that. But what kinda timeline? Considering how much it's gone up in the past decades, and the rate the ocean is rising, how many billion people are gonna drown?

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Serowbot on 11/20/22 at 11:54:09

2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:

You expect sea levels to go up like a flash flood? Explain, just Describe what you expect to happen.

7 million in Bangladesh need aid after ‘worst floods in memory,’ Red Cross says
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/29/asia/bangladesh-floods-millions-urgent-relief-need-intl-hnk/index.html

More than 7 million people in Bangladesh are in desperate need of shelter and emergency relief after what one aid agency has described as the worst flooding to hit South Asia in living memory.

Hundreds of thousands of homes near the Bangladesh-India border are underwater, and in the worst-hit areas whole neighborhoods have been submerged, aid agencies said Tuesday.

At least 207 people in both countries have died since the floods began in April, according to official figures.

Torrential rain has caused rivers in Bangladesh – a densely populated delta nation – to overflow, submerging areas that border the Indian state of Meghalaya, according to the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC).

Some 94% of Bangladesh’s Sunamganj town and 84% of the surrounding Sylhet district are now submerged, the IFRC said. Roads leading to the region have been largely cut off and there are power cuts even in areas not underwater.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Eegore on 11/20/22 at 12:13:06

"Seen a lot of that, have ya?

Twilight Zone weeds?"

Yes. Plenty of weeds grow much larger than produce plants. Neglected gardens all over the world indicate this.

The point is "green always means good" is a flawed logic. Co2 in greenhouses doesn't mean more Co2 is beneficial for anything but plants. Not all plants help humans survive.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/22 at 13:43:52

1107100D15000D16620 wrote:

[quote author=2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 link=1668864108/15#17 date=1668971845]You expect sea levels to go up like a flash flood? Explain, just Describe what you expect to happen.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Serowbot on 11/20/22 at 14:49:28

They're creaming about it because 7 million became homeless.
It may seen routine to you but not to them.
As long as you deny it's happening, you won't see it happening.
Is that how it works?

100year 500year and 1,000year weather events are becoming regular events.
If you don't see it, you're not looking.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/22 at 17:13:20

100year 500year and 1,000year weather events are becoming regular events.
If you don't see it, you're not looking.

What you don’t understand, can’t understand, you’re looking for it so you see it. Again, Sharpshooter Fallacy. You see what you want to see.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/22 at 19:12:04

nuts happens. Sometimes here,sometimes there. Hurricanes, tornadoes, major flooding,

man stands next to an eroded section on the banks of river Padma in Munshiganj. Periodic flooding that inundates homes, markets and schools has always been a fact of life for the tens of millions of farmers and fishermen who crowd the rivers’ banks – some of the most densely populated areas of the Bangladeshi countryside. Photo: AFP

People also ask
Why is Bangladesh so prone to flooding?
Bangladesh is prone to flooding due to being situated on the Brahmaputra River Delta (also known as the Ganges Delta) and the many distributaries flowing into the Bay of Bengal. Coastal flooding, combined with the bursting of river banks is common, and severely affects the landscape and society of Bangladesh.

July-August, 1988
The Bangladesh flood spread for over 3 months (July-August, 1988) and was described as 'the worst flood of the century'. The Bangladesh Flood Located in South Asia, the Bangladesh flood resulted in devasta

You buy all of it..

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by pg on 11/20/22 at 21:48:35

5345524F57424F54200 wrote:

100year 500year and 1,000year weather events are becoming regular events.
If you don't see it, you're not looking.

Can you name a couple weather events? Every time their is a big storm, the media sensationalizes it. I don't believe good records were maintained before the late 1800s.

Best regards,

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/21/22 at 08:51:04

point is "green always means good" is a flawed logic. Co2 in greenhouses doesn't mean more Co2 is beneficial for anything but plants. Not all plants help humans survive.

Green is better than not green.
Plants contribute to a cooler world.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Eegore on 11/21/22 at 11:31:04

"Green is better than not green.
Plants contribute to a cooler world."

Food. More plants that don't make food, or otherwise contributes to humans isn't a better green. More green that is useful specifically for the emerging scale of global population is good. Green in general is too small of a parameter to, by itself, be considered universally good.

This is just a part of why pumping Co2 into a greenhouse is a poor argument.

Its like saying if global warming isn't an issue why do we pump cool air into homes? That's a weak argument that is intentionally simplistic.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/21/22 at 12:43:21

Not everything has to be Food,E. If warming is the boogeyman, then green is your friend.
Satellite images show earth is more green than thirty years ago. That is beneficial. Plants use co2,make oxygen. Even the plants you don't Want.
If the environment is okay for weeds,then pull them and plant a garden. That is not easy where it's too cold. The whole
We all gonna DAH! Thing is really getting Old. How many times have we been given the
We have Twelve Years to Do Something!! Or else?
I think we are on number three.
What if the industrial Revolution had never happened? Where would we be? Cold?
Nobody wants to talk about when the world was warmer than it is NOW.
Why is that?
Why are you so desperate to confine the scope of this to
Not every plant is food?
Nobody said it was. More stuff growing is good. If something Will grow in a place, food can too. The world is more supportive of plants than it was. Satellite images show that.
So, where is the evidence of this Coming Disaster? It's BEEN Right around the Corner for DECADES.
If a preacher gained the confidence of such a number of people and declared the end of the world, and they got ready for it, and it didn't happen, how many times would they fall for his prediction?
Talk about Faith in the unseen! Warmists have unshakable Faith. Even after the prediction fails and the evidence, the More and Wurser hurricanes that would come, and then Florida went about ten YEARS without any serious damage, it's just Ridiculous that we are changing everything about society, from energy sources and cars, just because some people are believing what I see no Evidence for.

Show Me!. Stop playing word games and explain why I should be skeert Too.
I'm not only not skeert, I'm laughing at all the believers. It would be a lot funnier if they were only screwing themselves.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/21/22 at 12:44:25

455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:

So,no rebuttal?

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Eegore on 11/21/22 at 13:43:01

"Show Me!. Stop playing word games and explain why I should be skeert Too.
I'm not only not skeert, I'm laughing at all the believers. It would be a lot funnier if they were only screwing themselves."

You are mixing the overall argument of climate change with how poor the Co2 in greenhouses argument is.

Its intentionally simplistic and misleading. Just like saying if the planet getting warmer isn't an issue why do we cool homes? It's an isolated environment intentionally designed to alter the natural environment around it.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/21/22 at 13:59:02

You see what you want.
Co2 benefits plants.
Plants benefit the environment.
The world has more plants than it did.
Get over it.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Eegore on 11/21/22 at 14:11:56

You see what you want.
Co2 benefits plants.
Plants benefit the environment.
The world has more plants than it did.
Get over it.

Its a weak argument to compare C02 generators in greenhouses to the planet's overall climate. Saying plants benefit the environment is intentionally simplistic. Plants surviving isn't the argument climate change activists are making, Humans surviving is.

When plants that can not sustain human life at the magnitude it is today and in the projected future there is an issue. Saying more green is universally good is a flawed logic. Not all green sustains humans, not all green converts C02 to o2 at a sustainable level in every environment.

To achieve that you need to enclose the environment and amplify the atmosphere's beneficial components because the natural environment is not appropriate for the needed level of performance. Like a greenhouse.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/21/22 at 18:12:08

Keep pretending,, fine by me. You fail to understand no matter how much I explain, so, I'm done. I'm sure every member of the Warmist religion takes comfort in your twisted rebuttal. It's not as if they were going to feel challenged in their beliefs. They don't hear anything that conflicts with their religion anyway.

Title: Re: REEEEE! It's CO2!!!
Post by Eegore on 11/21/22 at 18:29:49

If not agreeing with the logic of one image means, to you, that I don't agree with anything else then I don't know what to tell you.

I can think climate change is not as severe as it is typically portrayed, and also think one specific analogy to support that concept is a poor argument. You fail to understand no matter how much I explain.