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Message started by Marco12356 on 09/01/22 at 02:28:30

Title: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by Marco12356 on 09/01/22 at 02:28:30

You guys could all become police officers ;D
https://youtu.be/V83mytQX37A

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by pg on 09/01/22 at 03:55:57

Who said this?

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Best regards,

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/22 at 05:31:56

Doesn’t sound like the actual language Hitler would have used back then so I’m gonna guess Bernie, Hopey-Change or Puddinhead.

Am I close?

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by pg on 09/01/22 at 07:22:27

Yep, Hopey……..

Best regards,

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by Serowbot on 09/01/22 at 07:30:02

2037313D3222500 wrote:

Context...

Quote:

Obama was not talking about a “security force” with guns or police powers. He was talking specifically about expanding AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps and the USA Freedom Corps, which is the volunteer initiative launched by the Bush administration after the attacks of 9/11, and about increasing the number of trained Foreign Service officers who populate U.S. embassies overseas.

Here is the relevant portion of what Obama actually said, with the sentences quoted selectively by Broun and others in bold.

Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: [As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.

People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.

We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by Eegore on 09/01/22 at 07:31:35

"Context..."

On this forum? Yeah right.

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/22 at 12:15:11

Did he?

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/22 at 13:26:41

Yeah, and Trump told his supporters to go raise hell.

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by Serowbot on 09/01/22 at 14:33:16

26393F3825221323132B39357E4C0 wrote:

Yeah, and Trump told his supporters to go raise hell.

Context works both ways.

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by MnSpring on 09/01/22 at 17:34:14

2E393F333C2C5E0 wrote:

The question was, "Who Said This",

The correct answer was given !

Yet, 'someone', had to spin,
saying it means something else.

(Bot, who are you learning to do that from ?)

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by pg on 09/01/22 at 17:52:04

I see no correlation between AmeriCorps and civilian national security force.

Gee, it sure sounds like you and Barry are supporting the concept of a militia??? You are also supporting people protesting with ARs.........

Best regards,

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by Eegore on 09/01/22 at 20:07:39

"I see no correlation between AmeriCorps and civilian national security force."

You don't have to. When Obama said the sentence you quoted, it was part of an overall series of statements. The correlation is clear when people read the entire thing and not cherry pick one line here, and another over there.

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by Eegore on 09/01/22 at 20:10:06

The question was, "Who Said This",

The correct answer was given !

Yet, 'someone', had to spin,
saying it means something else.

What do you think it means?

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by pg on 09/01/22 at 23:48:14

5070727A6770150 wrote:

You can determine what you think he meant, but not what he actually said.

Best regards,

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by zevenenergie on 09/02/22 at 03:34:03

911 was rather iffy,
The effect was mainly; gain and retain more power. Both at home and abroad.

Before you consider that nonsense;
Read the patriot act,
and then tell me, what your rights are and how free you are.

If you want change for the better, then the law books must be purged. Big time....

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by Eegore on 09/02/22 at 05:38:09

You can determine what you think he meant, but not what he actually said.

Given the transcripts, the video recordings, audio recordings, and that it happened just miles from my property where I know multiple people who were in attendance, one I have verified had a recording on her cellphone, I can say reliably that I can determine what he said.

Unless of course all these are deep-fakes and there was a robot Obama etc. etc.

"expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose."

That's pretty clear to me what he said.

I think the only up-in-the-air part of this is what does Obama consider a "civilian national security force" to be. In this case, using all of the words in the statement made on that day, it appears that all of the programs he mentioned, are part of a civilian national security force. Not a militia, but a collaboration of the specific programs he mentioned.

Since reading the whole thing isn't an option on here typically, I will outline the words utilized to describe the programs of a civilian national security force using Obama's words.

People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve.

send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people

call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families

grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.

We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets.

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by pg on 09/02/22 at 05:52:37

Volunteers providing healthcare and education services have little to do with a civilian national security force.

Best regards,

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by Eegore on 09/02/22 at 06:10:33

"Volunteers providing healthcare and education services have little to do with a civilian national security force."

This is your assessment.

The quoted line you offered however Obama's quote and his assessment. By taking in the entirety of his statements, and not just the selected one line, I would say during this speech, he indicated that all of the programs he mentioned are part of a civilian national security force. Also I do believe I can prove the words that he specifically said.

If I go out on a public platform and say "I think green shirts are indicative of higher intellect", and you say "Green shirts have little to do with intellect" that would not change the intent of my statement and perception when I spoke it. Your disagreement does not change what I meant.

But if you want Obama to mean an armed militia then that's what he meant, to you. And it is much easier to make that point if you only offer the one line and never offer the entire series of words preceding and following that line. If the entire statement is offered, and not just one line, people might come to a different conclusion.

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by MnSpring on 09/02/22 at 07:37:30

283F39353A2A580 wrote:

Volunteers providing healthcare and education services have little to do with a civilian national security force.

100 & 25 percent True.

Talking about the 'Peace Core', then talking about a, 'civilian national security force', are two completely different things.

It is the same as someone proposing a wonderful bill, that all political sides say is good and they will vote for it. Then at the last minuet, ADD, a ton of PORK, to stuff the pockets of the Swamp Dwellers.

Obama mean an armed, 'civilian national security force', Ray Charles AND Stevie Wonder could see it.

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by Eegore on 09/02/22 at 07:48:03

I disagree.

I think Obama was specifically talking about the programs he mentioned. A security force does not need to be armed any more than all "training" needs to be about guns or "marksmanship" etc.

Back when this came out in 2008 the claims of Obama's "gestapo" security force etc. were running rampant. I am still waiting for that force to come kick in my doors.

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by MnSpring on 09/02/22 at 08:41:35

6141434B5641240 wrote:

"... still waiting for that force to come kick in my doors.

What was that guy's name,
that was the POTUS,
after Obama ?

Wonder if he had anything to do with not promoting the, 'civilian national security force' ?

Title: Re: American police see themselves as Warriors
Post by Eegore on 09/02/22 at 10:21:51

What was that guy's name,
that was the POTUS,
after Obama ?

Wonder if he had anything to do with not promoting the, 'civilian national security force' ?

He didn't impact it at all because it was never intended to be an armed force.