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Title: When you get that Green you so desire Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/22 at 09:12:52 Green …. August 21, 2022MaddMedic 1 Votes One crisp winter morning in Sweden, a cute little girl named Greta woke up to a perfect world, one where there were no petroleum products ruining the earth. She tossed aside her cotton sheet and wool blanket and stepped out onto a dirt floor covered with willow bark that had been pulverized with rocks. “What’s this?” she asked. “Pulverized willow bark,” replied her fairy godmother. “What happened to the carpet?” she asked. “The carpet was nylon, which is made from butadiene and hydrogen cyanide, both made from petroleum,” came the response. Greta smiled, acknowledging that adjustments are necessary to save the planet, and moved to the sink to brush her teeth where instead of a toothbrush, she found a willow, mangled on one end to expose wood fibre bristles. “Your old toothbrush?” noted her godmother, “Also nylon.” “Where’s the water?” asked Greta. “Down the road in the canal,” replied her godmother, ‘Just make sure you avoid water with cholera in it” “Why’s there no running water?” Greta asked, becoming a little peevish. “Well,” said her godmother, who happened to teach engineering at MIT, “Where do we begin?” There followed a long monologue about how sink valves need elastomer seats and how copper pipes contain copper, which has to be mined and how it’s impossible to make all-electric earth-moving equipment with no gear lubrication or tires and how ore has to be smelted to a make metal, and that’s tough to do with only electricity as a source of heat, and even if you use only electricity, the wires need insulation, which is petroleum-based, and though most of Sweden’s energy is produced in an environmentally friendly way because of hydro and nuclear, if you do a mass and energy balance around the whole system, you still need lots of petroleum products like lubricants and nylon and rubber for tires and asphalt for filling potholes and wax and iPhone plastic and elastic to hold your underwear up while operating a copper smelting furnace and . . . “What’s for breakfast?” interjected Greta, whose head was hurting. “Fresh, range-fed chicken eggs,” replied her godmother. “Raw.” “How so, raw?” inquired Greta. “Well, . . .” And once again, Greta was told about the need for petroleum products like transformer oil and scores of petroleum products essential for producing metals for frying pans and in the end was educated about how you can’t have a petroleum-free world and then cook eggs. Unless you rip your front fence up and start a fire and carefully cook your egg in an orange peel like you do in Boy Scouts. Not that you can find oranges in Sweden anymore. “But I want poached eggs like my Aunt Tilda makes,” lamented Greta. “Tilda died this morning,” the godmother explained. “Bacterial pneumonia.” “What?!” interjected Greta. “No one dies of bacterial pneumonia! We have penicillin.” “Not anymore,” explained godmother “The production of penicillin requires chemical extraction using isobutyl acetate, which, if you know your organic chemistry, is petroleum-based. Lots of people are dying, which is problematic because there’s not any easy way of disposing of the bodies since backhoes need hydraulic oil and crematoriums can’t really burn many bodies using as fuel Swedish fences and furniture, which are rapidly disappearing – being used on the black market for roasting eggs and staying warm.” This represents only a fraction of Greta’s day, a day without microphones to exclaim into and a day without much food, and a day without carbon-fibre boats to sail in, but a day that will save the planet. Tune in tomorrow when Greta needs a root canal and learns how Novocain is synthesized. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by Serowbot on 08/22/22 at 11:21:42 I haven't heard Greta call for banning penicillin or Novocain. I also wasn't aware that before the 20th century no one cooked eggs or made carpets. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/22 at 13:33:08 When the oil stops, lots of things stop. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by Eegore on 08/22/22 at 15:20:20 If Greta actually called for zero oil production this would make sense. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by Serowbot on 08/22/22 at 16:03:53 If we can replace oil and coal as the major sources of energy, and get rid of wasteful plastics, there will be enough oil for many generations and massively less pollution and ozone depletion. You all know this and still choose to post hyperbole as reality. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/22 at 17:28:32 And here I was, thinking lefties were against oil. How could I have been so Wrong? |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by Eegore on 08/22/22 at 18:39:08 It's like saying Conservatives are all racist. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by pg on 08/22/22 at 18:52:15 4767656D7067020 wrote:
They do say that, at least Bot does...... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by Eegore on 08/22/22 at 18:59:54 And it makes as much sense. This guy says things that are not true, so I will post things that are not true in response. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/22 at 05:40:18 12 or 13 years, i worked for a company who supplied raw materials to both the wind turbine manufacturers and companies pursuing new technologies in the energy storage. I got to make a trip to Japan to see one of these emerging technologies and another to somewhere in Canada, don't remember where now. I had many conversations with a wide range of those on the business side and those on the engineering side. While that was a while ago and I couldn't recall the exact conversations word for word, the basic issues have not changed. If you supply X amount of power to the grid from intermittent sources, you either need backup sources or storage when the supply drops off. Right now for the most part, that's not a significant issue. Wind and solar supply such a small amount that there's always a secondary supply to turn to. But as more and more power to the grid comes from intermittent sources, if you have a drop off of energy for any length of time, without 100% redundant systems in the form of storage or backup generation sources that are able to supply 100% of the demand for power instantly, you will have a drop off in service. If you had an unusual weather or a catastrophic event (large volcanic eruption that disrupts weather and little wind is produced or the ash damages turbines so they can't produce power, if you don't have the ability to PRODUCE 100% of the energy needed, you'll have a service drop off. To produce 100% of the energy needed means you need production capabilities that are able to operate at 100% capacity within hours notice. That's not possible. That's why the only solution is smaller and regional nuclear energy facilities with the ability to ramp up energy to provide service to nearby regions in the event of a disruption in that plant's service. We're wasting our time and kidding ourselves with the wind and solar push. It's ridiculous. Use fossil fuels until nuclear is ready to take over. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by zevenenergie on 08/23/22 at 10:27:34 I'm not a big proponent of nuclear energy myself, but I get your point. It seems like that would solve the madness we live in right now. I don't think the green people like Greta have the solution either. But we as humanity have now reached a limit, and not only due to emerging economies such as in China and India. I think the real solution to the problem must come from the development of the individual. (in a spiritual way) If we live as fast as we do now, humanity will not survive on this planet.(the planet will survive us just fine) If we don't wake up each and every one of us en masse from our consumer consciousness, then there is no future possible. It's not that we still have 2 centuries left. We see from covid how 1 small organism flattens the whole world. Small nuclear power plants can provide the solution to the need for energy, but it is so diametrically opposed to what humanity really needs that I think it is more of a death blow than a solution. I think when humanity collectively goes into there soul-conciusnes , that forms of energy such as nuclear fusion are being released for us. When the current mentality does not change, these forms of enenergy would make us go extinct. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by Serowbot on 08/23/22 at 11:23:19 Posted this before... nobody watched it. So I'll post it again... so you can not watch it twice. ::) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kahih8RT1k[/media] |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/22 at 11:43:49 2D3221323932393225303E32570 wrote:
So specifically, what is it exactly you would like to see individuals do? |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/22 at 11:50:13 5442554850454853270 wrote:
Okay, I’ve heard much of this before, you could have posted the cliff notes version and saved 20 minutes. But it was a reasonable presentation. Nuclear is expensive. My counterpoint is all new technologies are. We are jumping headfirst in renewables with a pie in the sky dream we’ll invent some amazing energy storage. All I’m saying let’s jump headfirst into nuclear knowing for sure we’ll solve the technical challenges. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by Serowbot on 08/23/22 at 13:24:44 ...but did you get the part where nuclear is non-renewable too? At a full global capacity we would run out of uranium in a decade. Is it worth the time and expense? Along with the already known dangers and waste problems? Battery and e-motor solutions are being developed now. Same with windmill blades. Lithium will soon be replaced,... magnetless generators that produce more power , and no need for balsa wood. These are much more solvable than changes in the laws of physics to make nuclear viable. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/22 at 17:59:51 6C7A6D70687D706B1F0 wrote:
I’ve read estimates that say otherwise. I heard we were running out of oil for decades! Besides, hydrogen is the long term fuel. And uranium is present in seawater. Ridiculously expensive to process right but there’s always a way. I never understand the left’s inherent objection to nuclear. You absolutely ignore the environmental challenges from current lithium battery production with a wave of the hand and think China Syndrome was a documentary. Seriously, what is it? It’s not logic, it’s not science. You really think we’re going to the stars on wind energy? WTH man. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by zevenenergie on 08/24/22 at 13:01:01 427077666170675874677E150 wrote:
So specifically, what is it exactly you would like to see individuals do? [/quote] Not even that much, I wish we would all make a subtle shift in ourselves. From thought consciousness to universal consciousness. Something like what was talked about in the 60's but now without flowers in the hair and not necessarily in a meadow. I mean the state of being that many experienced on LSD (never done it myself). Both feet on the ground. The heart in the right place the head cool. Not something special, but just filled from within so that your desires disappear. That your heart is warm. That you are joyful for no reason. I think the world is crying out for these kind of people right now. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by zevenenergie on 08/24/22 at 13:15:25 5D4251424942494255404E42270 wrote:
So specifically, what is it exactly you would like to see individuals do? [/quote] Tanks for asking. Not even that much, I wish we would all make a subtle shift in ourselves. From thought consciousness to universal consciousness. Something like what was talked about in the 60's but now without flowers in the hair and not necessarily in a meadow. I mean the state of being that many experienced on LSD (never done it myself). Both feet on the ground. The heart in the right place the head cool. Not something special, but just filled from within so that your desires disappear. That your heart is warm. That you are joyful for no reason. I think the world is crying out for these kind of people right now. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by WebsterMark on 08/24/22 at 20:17:25 The world is crying out for those people….until they need something. When my son was a year old, he had a sudden infection similar to what killed my twin brother when he was only 30 days old. In 1961, there wasn’t anything anybody could do. But jump ahead 25 years and we were able to go into an intensive care with some amazing medical equipment, drugs and doctors and he was home within a week. That equipment, those drugs, those doctors were all made possible by people and companies striving to push the technology envelope forward. And the reality behind each of them was a businessman, an entrepreneur, looking to make money. We can sit around and talk about Kumbaya all we want but at the end of the day, technology is pretty darn good. I have no desire to go backwards, I’m going forward. Being in the state you described, and being busy in today’s world, are not mutually exclusive. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by zevenenergie on 08/25/22 at 03:54:07 We have all experienced first-hand what it is like to depend on people with selfish motives, where they should have played a nurturing and serving role. In that regard, there is no one in this world without trauma. I don't really understand why there is such a big taboo on this topic of "being comfortable in your own skin". Often people who are working on themselves are dismissed as softies. But when you see what it takes to clear the way in yourself.....I would not call them softies.(dit not hear you say that) I,m al whit you when you say: We can sit around and talk about Kumbaya all we want but at the end of the day, technology is pretty darn good. I have no desire to go backwards, I’m going forward. Being in the state you described, and being busy in today’s world, are not mutually exclusive. It goes hand in hand. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by WebsterMark on 08/25/22 at 04:52:50 Being comfortable in your own skin is not what I believed you were talking about. My point is let’s face reality, all of us reap the benefits from those I believe you infer are selfish. Are the owners of my company selfish to insist on hard work, occasionally long hours, extensive travel etc? My company is thriving and I reap the benefits which are spread across my family while others in our industry struggle and lay people off, cut pay and benefits. I’m not necessarily prepared to echo the Gordon Gekko phrase greed is good, but let’s acknowledge the benefits from those who’s comfortable skin tells them to pursue excellence. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by Eegore on 08/25/22 at 05:23:39 "We have all experienced first-hand what it is like to depend on people with selfish motives, where they should have played a nurturing and serving role." I don't know, I think "should" is more of a "could". Who am I to say when somebody should have compassion or serve? |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by zevenenergie on 08/25/22 at 05:57:28 I don't have all the answers, but You could explore what it means to you to be free of an all-determining mind. A mind accustomed to thinking in good and bad. It feels unnatural to me that the head of an institution whose main purpose is to care for people enriches itself at the expense of that institution. And I think it would be normal if we would hold such a person accountable. Being faithful can lead to corruption. If only that you shut up where you should say something. Dictators are made by the people in his immediate environment. It's that simple. http://https://i.imgur.com/QN7Rbphb.png https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29fthnF0XAk I don,t know if this woman was also in your news . She's not an activist or anything, just someone who couldn't keep her mouth shut. That is a by-product of being comfortable in your own skin, that you no longer have a choice. Your not a politician who twists and turns. Just like nelson Mandela, he dit not think about what he was conne do... he could not shut up. I, dont want to be in a role telling you what is cood ore not. I just love it when some body is in that state of not compromising. Like a lion. Top of the food cain, no coruption. Free and natrual. For me that is beauty. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by WebsterMark on 08/25/22 at 16:04:44 It feels unnatural until you or the person you love more than anyone in the world gets a life saving drug from a pharmaceutical company who outbid a competitor for a scientist with the skills to make fabulous discoveries but needed an expensive and fully out fitted lab to do so. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by Eegore on 08/25/22 at 16:08:59 "It feels unnatural until you or the person you love more than anyone in the world gets a life saving drug from a pharmaceutical company who outbid a competitor for a scientist with the skills to make fabulous discoveries but needed an expensive and fully out fitted lab to do so." Yep. |
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Title: Re: When you get that Green you so desire Post by zevenenergie on 08/26/22 at 10:09:17 I don't see the comparison. |
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