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Message started by Smith2 on 07/10/22 at 13:37:33

Title: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by Smith2 on 07/10/22 at 13:37:33

These look good and seem to be priced in line with the Lancers kits I see mentioned. There doesn't seem to be an active website for the Lancer kit. Anyone have any experience with this carb kit? https://murrayscarbs.com/product/suzuki-boulevard-s40-savage-mikuni-carb-kit-vm36-36mm/

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by LANCER on 07/10/22 at 15:27:36

I’m on this site.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by verslagen1 on 07/10/22 at 16:18:28

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1338654578

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by Smith2 on 07/10/22 at 16:27:45

Is there a Lancer website? That thread is from 2012. There are some recent post but didn't know if the original info was current. That thread also covered a lot of stuff I didn't know was related or not.

Any feedback on Murry's?

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/22 at 16:32:37

Lancer sells jets. He, and a few others, offer advice, free of charge. We have a few real carb gurus here. Explaining what you are trying to accomplish could get you some much needed input.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by LANCER on 07/11/22 at 06:43:57

332E333C29386D6F5D0 wrote:

I looked at the page you posted, one I had not seen before. He has a lot of kits for various bikes. For the LS650 kit he lists a 36mm VM carb, Mikuni cable, and a tube to connect the carb to the air box.
What info are you looking for specifically ?

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by Smith2 on 07/11/22 at 07:17:18

Basically, any first hand feedback on performance. Just looking for info on the options available for the 650. You get high praise here and many references, but searches outside of this forum show nothing and within the forum are little difficult to navigate (commerce wise). The Murry's came up and was curious as to the differences and comparisons. Being new to the S40 world, I was just trying to gather info on my options and maybe help others who are searching for the same things.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/22 at 08:25:17

Look,he's Famous,, around here
We didn't say he's
Wurld Faymuss.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by Ruttly on 07/11/22 at 09:46:56

World Famous Locally

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by LANCER on 07/11/22 at 12:35:33

I haves shipped to every continent in the world except for Africa, no one there has ever ordered.

Murry’s Kit is priced for less but doesn’t have as much; jetted carb but no extra jets mentioned; throttle cable but nothing mentioned about being made to fit the 3 types of throttle attachment; not sure he mentioned a new rubber flange, which is required to mount a VM carb; no carb manual. He uses the same carb I use, a 36mm VM Mikuni.

The VM is an improvement over the stock CV carb, with significantly better throttle response and a bump in power. This is a very capable Carburetor, and it’s performance just improves as it is coupled with other components. If you’re thinking of getting a 36mm VM I encourage you to replace the stock muffler, if not done yet, with a HD Dyna muffler. It works extremely well on our bike and a used “new takeoff” is low cost. There are many on eBay or from a local HD dealer. Good sound and quality construction.

Combining the carb kit with cam & piston replacements will perk that engine Right Up; the change in performance and feel is just a LOT more of what we like this engine for, a great torque engine across the rpm range... It makes passing trucks and up-hill mountain roads much easier. It will make you smile.
A carb-cam-piston combo is the basic foundation for an engine performance upgrade on the LS650 engine. All depends on what you may want.

If you decide to order, I take them directly via email or a PM, and use PayPal.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by Smith2 on 07/11/22 at 13:01:04

Thanks Lancer. He does include a new flange but no manual or install info. Throttle cables are specified between the 3 types needed. It seems to be the basics of your offering without the extras that would seem to be a major difference. Yours seems to be the better option.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by ohiomoto on 07/11/22 at 15:34:05

Someone on here got a Murrays carb and it worked out fine for them.

All things being equal, I would support Lancer because he supports this community.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by robb+ on 07/15/22 at 06:05:50

I just got the Murray carb, and it is legit. Murray himself I'm not super pleased with.

The carb was plug & play, came with a new intake rubber and tube to the air box (at least that's the option I picked). I got it hooked up and my newly rebuilt engine fired up with 0 issues. Now to the bad.

The bolts I was sent for the new intake were a size too big. Not the biggest deal because I still had the old one and those worked. BUT the throttle cable that came attached to the carb was definitely not for either a Savage or my year (1995). I also purchased a new throttle tube because why not, and he sent out a 7/8ths instead of 1in tube.

I called Murray up and he said he has someone new working for him and got it sent out with the wrong stuff. We agreed that he'd send out the right cable, and I'd send back my old Savage cable, the wrong one he sent originally, and the throttle tube in exchange for a clutch cover gasket he had on the site.

I got the new cable, hooked up, and sent all three items back. He confirmed receipt via email and proceeded to ghost me about the gasket.

Murray's carbs are awesome and totally work. Murray as a person kind of sucks.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by SpamyToo on 07/17/22 at 07:35:06

I believe Murray has stemmed from making custom manifolds for specific bikes, such as using 2 carbs on a Honda CB instead of 4, or on a CX using 1 carb instead of 2.

He has some nice solutions for a lot of bikes.

I think the LS650 stuff might be an attempt to cover more of the market and perhaps may be less tested, by him and buyers as well. So the kit may be lacking or just plain wrong for some year bikes.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by LANCER on 07/17/22 at 09:43:24

For the LS 650, the relative minor differences between model years does not affect the mounting of a different carb. Unless the frame is modified of course, then you can end up not being able to mount a carb in the usual position. [ch128527]

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by Smith2 on 07/17/22 at 12:19:53

Well, I got one .... sort of. I cancelled the order and got refunded, but a few days later a box arrived. It has the manifold gasket, carb, air intake tube (that's blue), a tube that I'm not sure what it goes to, two mounting bolts, installed throttle cables, but no instructions or paperwork.

Seems, good and the parts are good. Waiting to see what he wants done as far as returning it. Lancer's seems to be a better option. However, Murry's seems to be good/same parts and easy to order, but lacks the info and extras.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by Smith2 on 07/27/22 at 16:40:03

Update just for the sake of info. I installed the VM36 and it works great. Pros - Installation was fairly easy, except for one thing (see cons). Didn't have to adjust hardly anything. Even the idle was dead on. Probably a fluke but it was nice. Bike runs fantastic! Virtually all popping/backfire is gone, throttle response is very nice, acceleration feels faster and smoother, and it just feels like the bike is asking to be pushed harder. I like it.
Cons - I was sent the wrong intake gasket bolts. Had to make a run to Lowes and get a couple M7 hex head bolts and washers. The 3 ply silicon connector tube was blue. I knew that from the pictures, so it was expected but why wouldn't it be black? There was no info with the parts, so I don't know what sized jets were used and there was no documentation, install or otherwise included.

All in all, I'm happy with the performance. I ordered a black 3 ply intake connector just to look right. I painted the blue one, but didn't think it would last long term.

Hindsight being 20/20 Lancers would be a much better buy in every regard. Murry's website was a big bonus for him and he was quick to ship, but all that is not enough to outweigh Lancers expertise, attention to detail, and personal touch.

http://https://i.imgur.com/XcHGAfhh.jpg

http://https://i.imgur.com/Gh4t3b4h.jpg

http://https://i.imgur.com/AgXscYmh.jpg

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by DragBikeMike on 07/27/22 at 18:06:12

So glad you got it runnin Smitty. Installation looks good.

You might wanna re-route your drain tube. That tube off the bottom of your float bowl is an overflow, not a vent. It's intended dump any fuel that leaks past the needle & seat and increases float level to a point where it will overflow into the engine. It should run down, behind and below the engine. That way, any excess fuel ends up on the ground.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by Smith2 on 07/27/22 at 18:07:49

Good call. I was aware. I just had it out of the way when I was putting the battery box back in.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by DragBikeMike on 07/27/22 at 18:09:07

From the other side, you can actually see that the line is currently full of fuel. Re-route the line, turn on the fuel, and observe the drain for ten minutes or so (this assumes you have a Raptor petcock). You shouldn't have any fuel dribbling out of that overflow line.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by Smith2 on 07/29/22 at 19:47:57

5A5C532F2D2A2E1E0 wrote:

So, after routing the overflow line, it's not dribbling but it is weeping gas. If I leave the raptor petcock on, there will be a little wet spot. I've not had that before. Issue or is that just the nature of the VM36? Do you have to turn the petcock of when not in use?

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by ohiomoto on 07/30/22 at 11:12:25

While it's good practice to turn the petcock off when not using the motorcycle, (especially if it will be sitting for more than a few hours), your float needle isn't seating.

Title: Re: Murrays Carb kit?
Post by DragBikeMike on 07/30/22 at 18:40:27

I ALWAYS turn my petcock off when the motorcycle is not running. The needle & seat in the carburetor is not a stop valve.

The VM carb I got from Lancer does not have an overflow, so I can't comment on how well a VM needle & seat holds fuel, but I can tell you that the three PWKs I have installed all behaved exactly like your VM. Let it sit on the side stand and a very small puddle of fuel forms on the pavement below the overflow tube (like about the size of a twenty-five-cent piece, one or two drops).

The overflow is like a standpipe in the float bowl. It terminates about 4mm above normal fuel level. Just the action of placing the bike on the side stand will slosh the fuel around and cause a bit to dribble down the overflow tube. IMO, as long as you don't have fuel continuously dribbling out the overflow tube, you are OK.

But I suggest you ALWAYS turn off your petcock when the engine is not running. Buy gas, turn it off. Get a beer, turn it off. Run into the house to grab your wallet, turn it off. Put it to bed for the evening, turn it off. The needle & seat were never intended to be a stop valve. If they were, it would have a handwheel.