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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 07/09/22 at 21:13:19

Title: Pretty good question,,,
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/09/22 at 21:13:19

One has to ask: How?
Posted on 07/06/2022 by B
The ATF traced the AR-style rifle to the Highland Park shooter….Supposedly, he “dropped it while fleeing as he blended in with the crowd “. Funny how that works, innit? But either way, the ATF (Fortuitously!) had a firearm to trace.

In. about. an. HOUR. (this is stated by the ATF spokesperson, as interviewed on CBS2Chicago)

On an Independence Day holiday…They had to get the serial number, determine the manufacturer, get access to the database as to where that firearm was shipped….(and if there was a wholesaler involved, contact that company), then contact the retail establishment and find out whom that firearms was ultimately sold to.

Or, alternatively, they had access to the details of the retail sale federal form 4473….which they are not supposed to have.

Remember, this firearm was traced in less than an hour ON A FEDERAL HOLIDAY, according to the ATF spokesperson.. Most businesses were closed. Certainly the departments at Smith and Wesson and the retailer involved were closed. This was, after all, the independence Day holiday (4th of July).

Either they are lying about their access to the 4473’s or they are lying about the shooter…..

Think about that.

Title: Re: Pretty good question,,,
Post by Eegore on 07/09/22 at 21:48:11

"Either they are lying about their access to the 4473’s or they are lying about the shooter….."

Or there is a process that the person writing the article didn't think about.

I'd wonder if they didn't already have some information due to confiscating weapons in the past.

Title: Re: Pretty good question,,,
Post by MnSpring on 07/09/22 at 22:20:02

58787A726F781D0 wrote:

Or there is a process that the person writing the article didn't think about.

INCORRECT

"They had access to the details
of the retail sale federal form 4473
which they are not supposed to have."

CORRECT

When the background checks came in
And all FFL Sales had to call in,
all the Info on the 4473,
TO THE FBI.

If anyone does not believe
they did not keep
that info on file
are the people
BUYING the Ocean Front lots
in CO.

Title: Re: Pretty good question,,,
Post by pg on 07/10/22 at 03:45:15

Here is one other plausible scenario and it is a long shot. If the form 4473 was completed electronically, that information goes somewhere. A registration of the weapon is not added to an all encompassing database of who owns what weapon. However, a database exists of the sale of the weapon. They could easily trace the serial number from there. Small outdoor stores use pen and paper, but big retail chains use the electronic version. Keep in mind this is speculation and conjecture.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Pretty good question,,,
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/22 at 11:16:22

Aaand that extremely unlikely piece of efficiency happened on a holiday weekend.
It's probably not fair to dismiss it out of hand, because sometimes things just work out, but I'm thinking Reeaal Loong Odds ..unlikely, is being kind.

Title: Re: Pretty good question,,,
Post by pg on 07/10/22 at 13:25:05

Come on Jog, don't sugar coat it! What do you think really happened?

Best regards,

Title: Re: Pretty good question,,,
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/22 at 16:19:53

5F7F7D75687F1A0 wrote:

So, A weapon Not previously confiscated was on the list?
The confiscated weapons from when the guy who had never, according to the uncle, shown any indication of being violent, those confiscated weapons were all edged weapons, no firearms reported, and daddy, who eventually helped him buy the gun,complained to the cops that he owned what they confiscated, and they returned them. Not sure I'm following your logic.

Title: Re: Pretty good question,,,
Post by Eegore on 07/10/22 at 16:28:02

"So, A weapon Not previously confiscated was on the list?"

No, a record of weapon confiscation is in his history.

I would wonder if they track people on those lists more thouroughly.

Title: Re: Pretty good question,,,
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/22 at 16:47:28

You found a different report or I just missed that part. The one I saw was just knifes and I Think a Coupla swords,don't remember if it was more than one...
I'm sure I read that the dad had to sign for him to get a gun. If dad signed for him to get a gun, then whose gun Wuzzit? I don't know how that works. Did you see where the uncle said that the kid never did anything that would be a red flag?

Title: Re: Pretty good question,,,
Post by Eegore on 07/10/22 at 19:26:43

You are correct in regards that firearms weren't confiscated, I am just wondering if a tighter eye is ever kept on people with this history.

Title: Re: Pretty good question,,,
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/22 at 20:07:35

I'm sure I read that the dad had to sign for him to get a gun.

I'm pretty sure of that.

If dad signed for him to get a gun, then whose gun Wuzzit?

I don't know how that works. Do you?

Did you see where the uncle said that the kid never did anything that would be a red flag?

IDK how important it is that the uncle said they had never seen anything out of that kid that would worry anyone, but I'm pretty sure if any of us here had seen him threaten to kill his entire family, we would weigh and measure that a bit differently.
The dad had to sign for him to get the gun. Does that put any legal liability on him?
Legal liability or not, he carries some blame, in my eyes.