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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 02/07/22 at 22:35:02

Title: Stewpid
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/07/22 at 22:35:02

On a Grand Scale

Biden HHS department is about to award $30 million to non-profit groups to distribute “harm reduction” supplies, among them crack pipes.

The $30 million grant program, which closed applications Monday and will begin in May, will provide funds to nonprofits and local governments to help make drug use safer for addicts. Included in the grant, which is overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services, are funds for “smoking kits/supplies.” A spokesman for the agency told the Washington Free Beacon that these kits will provide pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, and “any illicit substance.”

HHS said the kits aim to reduce the risk of infection when smoking substances with glass pipes, which can lead to infections through cuts and sores. Applicants for the grants are prioritized if they treat a majority of “underserved communities,” including African Americans and “LGBTQ+ persons,” as established under President Joe Biden’s executive order on “advancing racial equity.”

…

Other “harm reduction” equipment that qualifies for funding include syringes, vaccinations, disease screenings, condoms, and fentanyl strips. The grant program will last three years and includes 25 awards of up to $400,000.

An HHS spokesman declined to specify what is included in the smoking kits. Similar distribution efforts provide mouthpieces to prevent glass cuts, rubber bands to prevent burns, and filters to minimize the risk of disease.

Also included in this grant program is the installation of “harm reduction” vending machines in high drug-use areas. What is such a thing, you ask?

Naturally, the Canadians are way ahead of us.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by Eegore on 02/08/22 at 05:44:36

The problem here is it is illegal to deny care for these issues.

So you take the cost of treating a meth addict in an ED versus the cost of keeping a meth addict out of a hospital and instead expose them to treatment options.

Not that anyone will take the treatment options, but it is much, much cheaper to the taxpayer and the individual paying medical bills to treat addicts outside of a medical center.

Now if a hospital was allowed to deny care - then we would have a totally different discussion.

Oh and before we get into the "put them in jail" route - people have to be medically cleared to be in jail. Most heavy addicts end up in a hospital, not jail.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/08/22 at 16:15:41

How did you do that? You conclude that I'm saying
No help
When they are PROMOTING drug use.
I'm calling it stupid.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by Eegore on 02/08/22 at 19:38:28

"How did you do that? You conclude that I'm saying
No help"

I didn't conclude that. I am saying that the current "help" is to toss them into a hospital at an outrageous cost to the tax payer and independent customer.

It is cheaper, and in some cases more effective to keep addicts out of the hospital. Just Say No never worked, War on Drugs didn't work, Mass Incarceration doesn't work, so now the next big thing is to provide safer alternatives.

I have a few syringes I bought in a vending machine in Norway 20 years ago. They had the same issue then - it was cheaper to give out clean needles than it was to treat all the infected people sharing needles.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by oldNslow on 02/09/22 at 19:03:42

Speaking of Stewpid:

Biden: (a week or so ago) " I've ordered 400 million masks and I'll be mailing them out to everbody real soon !!"

Governors all over the country: ( past coupla days) " Ya'll don't need to wear masks any more."

Biden: " :-?"

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by MnSpring on 02/10/22 at 11:02:44

1535373F2235500 wrote:

"... I didn't conclude that. ... "

You Implied it !

"... Just Say No never worked,
War on Drugs didn't work,
Mass Incarceration doesn't work ..."

Because the UL 'progressive' feel good, FDS,
never tried hard enough.

' So now the next big thing is to',
ALLOW Illegal Drug Use,
GIVE them all the things they need,
at the cost of the hard working tax payer !

What wonderful, progressive, progress.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by Eegore on 02/10/22 at 14:14:00

The real question is if this is even true.

Are there actually tax-payer funded pipes in these kits? So far some say yes and some say no.

These types of programs do work with some people, and not for others, much like prison only stops some people or TV ads. It is much better than pumping them full of Narcan, IV fluids and handing them a sandwich on the way out of the Hospital door then charging everyone else for their care, in my opinion.

This is not meant to imply that people should not get help. It is meant to imply that both "yes" crack pipes are in the kits, and "no" crack pipes are not in the kits are both being presented as factual. Also that humans get off drugs through multiple methods, and that overnight hospital care is not typically and only the word "typically" with the exemption of all other words, typically not effective. But it is expensive.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by Serowbot on 02/10/22 at 15:15:41

Got any better ideas?
... or is this just another Right-wing rage issue?

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/22 at 19:42:51

08282A223F284D0 wrote:

How about

What you Subsidize
You get more of....?

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/22 at 19:45:15

597A4764667D7A73140 wrote:

[quote author=1535373F2235500 link=1644302102/0#3 date=1644377908]"... I didn't conclude that. ... "

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by Eegore on 02/10/22 at 22:50:26

"Now, now,, you gotta applaud his ability to drag the goal posts around."

I am directly addressing the topic you started and provided no statement of any kind indicating what you think or believe.

I clearly stated that it is cheaper to keep addicted humans out of hospitals. If hospitals could deny care to addicts, then the cost would not be so high.

If you somehow think that statement does not address the topic and is implying you think anything at all, then I didn't clearly enough indicate my point.

Lets try again:

1: Kits are cheaper than medical care.

2: Emergency medical care can not be denied.

3: No human on this forum has ever indicated medical care should be denied.

Is that better? Or did the goal-post move somehow?

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by MnSpring on 02/11/22 at 07:46:37

5575777F6275100 wrote:

" ... addressing the topic you started
and provided no statement of any kind
indicating what you think or believe ..."

You must have missed it.
I and just about everyone else reading this post
saw JOG saying, to the like.

"It's REALLY STEWPID
to have the government, provide FREE devices
so Illegal Drug Users
can easily USE,
ILLEGAL Drugs"

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by Eegore on 02/11/22 at 08:25:51

JoG provided that statement. I did not provide that statement.

When I indicate that I provide no statement, I mean me, not any other known human. I did not provide any statement of JoG's beliefs on this matter. I did not interpret, or say, he thinks any type of help on any type of thing for any subject should not be done.

I stated that medical care is more expensive than kits. Emergency medical care can not be denied. Until emergency medical care can be denied kits and safe-use methods will remain much cheaper than hospital care.

This does not mean any known human thinks medical care, or any thing of any kind anywhere for any human should be denied.

This only means emergency medical care can not be denied. Only that and nothing else.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/22 at 17:06:56

Parse this
What you Subsidize
You get More OF.
I know. Logic hurts.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by Eegore on 02/11/22 at 19:43:44

I'm not sure these kits will create drug users. If pipes exist in these kits I think they will most likely just end up being cleaner hits for people who were already going to do it.

I'd like to see some sort of standard to get supplies like this, like entering a treatment program.

I'd also like to see proof pipes are in the kits.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by Serowbot on 02/12/22 at 08:21:09

Yeah,... I'm thinking of taking up crack now that I can get a free pipe. :-?

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by MnSpring on 02/12/22 at 11:07:33

293F28352D38352E5A0 wrote:

"... I'm thinking of taking up crack now that I can get a free pipe ..."

You wouldn't be the first one to do that !

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by MnSpring on 02/12/22 at 11:39:39

4666646C7166030 wrote:

" ... I'd also like to see proof pipes are in the kits.

If a 'pipe' is not in a, 'safe smoking kit',
What is in a,
'Safe Smoking Kit' ?

Or has now, a,
'Safe Smoking Kit', been also 'removed',
from the ORIGINAL statement of the HHS, AFTER
they found out how completely STUPID that was.

"... a spokesperson for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) told them the “kits will provide pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, and ‘any illicit substance ..."

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by Eegore on 02/12/22 at 15:05:17

"Or has now, a,
'Safe Smoking Kit', been also 'removed',
from the ORIGINAL statement of the HHS, AFTER
they found out how completely STUPID that was."

It wasn't an "ORIGINAL statement" of the HSS. The actual original statement says nothing about pipes. Here is the actual communication, and original statement provided by The Free Beacon who originated this report:

https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Screen-Shot-2022-02-10-at-10.33.42-AM.png

We can clearly see the reference they provide has no mention of pipes from the spokesperson. They assume, correctly, most people will not look at that reference and see it does not say what they claim it does.

The claim is now:

"a spokesperson for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) told them the “kits will provide pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, and ‘any illicit substance"

That "quote" has been altered, below is the actual article:

https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/biden-admin-to-fund-crack-pipe-distribution-to-advance-racial-equity/

Anyone that reads the report can see the "quote" is chopped up and not as MnSpring presents it here. It actually says:

The $30 million grant program, which closed applications Monday and will begin in May, will provide funds to nonprofits and local governments to help make drug use safer for addicts. Included in the grant, which is overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services, are funds for "smoking kits/supplies." A spokesman for the agency told the Washington Free Beacon that these kits will provide pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, and "any illicit substance."

The quoted words are only:

"smoking kits/supplies" and "any illicit substance"

The presented quote claiming the spokesperson said pipes were included in the kits has been altered, and the "any illicit substance" was taken out of context.

They then state: An HHS spokesman declined to specify what is included in the smoking kits.

So they imply the spokesperson specified crack pipes, then do not "quote" those words, and then say the spokesperson declined to specify. Why is the article is structured that way, instead of just actually "quoting" a spokesperson actually saying the word "pipe" or any synonymous English words that relate to crack pipes or pipes at all?

Why omit the actual words used by the actual spokesperson in the posted article? I would conclude it is because the spokesperson never actually said those words in that context - the Free beacon openly admits this. Also the source of the communication they provided shows what was actually said, and it's not that pipes are in the kits.

None of this means these kits are a good idea - it means only that the spokesperson never claimed pipes were in the kits, and the Free Beacon provides evidence of this.

But if you don't like Biden, none of that matters. Just say pipes are in there anyway.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by MnSpring on 02/12/22 at 16:40:02

4767656D7067020 wrote:

But if you don't like Biden, none of that matters.

YET,
it's perfectly OK to say,
ANYTHING
if someone does not like Trump.

Assume Spin.

Title: Re: Stewpid
Post by Eegore on 02/12/22 at 21:10:03

YET,
it's perfectly OK to say,
ANYTHING
if someone does not like Trump.

It works both ways. People "quote" things Trump never said all day long.

The point is this is another example of how the dislike for a POTUS gets in the way of actual reality. Russia, Fine people, Robot Biden, it's all the same. For instance according to the logic used here since the Free Beacon made a report and social media then spread altered quotes, the HHS are liars. Not the real liars that altered the quotes and context.