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Title: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/07/22 at 19:48:04 I took a lap around the "county block" last Wednesday afternoon when the temperature was a little warmer. By time I got back I was wondering why I didn't bring heated gloves ? so Tomorrow we're getting up to 47F again ? (or so the weather lady says). so How cold is "too cold" for you fellers ? |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by zipidachimp on 01/07/22 at 22:09:39 Too Cold if: 1. fingertips in workshop turn white 2. I have to wear clothes at home Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/07/22 at 22:15:07 The quality of your gear determines what is too cold. I've ridden with snow on the ground. Would not do that now. Hurts too bad. Ten years ago, meh.. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/08/22 at 03:48:55 It really depends on how long your ride is. If I want to go out and ride in cold weather and stay out a while.....I can. It does however take a lot of clothing to stay warm enough to enjoy the ride. Rides in temperatures below the 50's can be done - but it takes more than a normal amount of gear. If I just need to ride up to the hardware store or a quick trip around the block to get "ride time" into my day - I can ride in pretty cold weather for a short period of time. It also makes a difference if the sun is shining......and how windy it is. Bottom "Rule of Thumb" for me: Long rides for fun can be done as long as the temperatures will stay in the 50's. Short rides for errands and a bit of seat time by taking a lap around the country block can be done as long as the roads are dry.....I have taken short rides in temperatures down into the 20's. (Stewmills, his brother Bailey and I rode the Cherohala Skyway with temperatures in the high 20's). My riding is done for the year. Right now it is 10 degrees outside, and we got snow on Thursday/Friday and all the roads are now covered in de-icing salt. The bikes will not be back on the road until the rains in March or April wash all the salt off the roads. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Gary_in_NJ on 01/08/22 at 06:05:09 Battery powered gloves, socks, vest and wind-proof gear have drastically lowered my “too cold” floor. What hasn’t changed is my aversion to sand and salt on the road and riding on cold tires. So the battery gear keeps me on the road until they start spreading salt, and gets me on the road a few weeks earlier in the spring. I’m good down to about 40 I’d say. Any colder and I’m concerned about grip. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by LANCER on 01/08/22 at 07:08:07 I’m ok for limited trips with temps of 50. My fingers freeze up easily, it’s been that way my entire life. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/08/22 at 07:23:22 Too Cold if: 1. fingertips in workshop turn white 2. I have to wear clothes at home Cheers! Cool :-? Wow Zip , I'll bet its quite the sight around the house when your not ridding ? ;D Should we call before we come to visit ? :-/ ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/08/22 at 07:32:50 Yea , on the salty roads thing , I wouldn't like that either. We had "Brine" on the roads twice in the last week , but never get the REAL SALT From what we've been seeing on TV in the last week or so ... Kentucky and the NEW ENGLAND states have really had a ruff way to go. I'd think Versey , Spr,ingman and YouzGuyz could ride year around . The two years I lived in El Paso I rode all 12 month . I'm too anchored where I'm at to move anymore and that's OK. Well , the Gold Fish pond is still froze over so there may not be any Motorcycle ridding today ? :( Heck ! I better go check on the Cow Pond ! ::) Dave , your big pond should be froze enough to skate on ! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/08/22 at 09:23:59 7C6E7C6E63707F7279310 wrote:
We have lived on this property 24 years, and there have only been 3 or 4 times the pond was suitable for skating. It has been many years since our pond has been frozen thick enough for us to skate on. Also.......it is really rare that the ice freezes smooth and clean - most of the time it gets freezing rain and/or snow on top and make it impossible to use it for skating. For perfect skating conditions we need the cold to arrive without snow or ice falling from the sky, and the temperature to stay really cold for a couple of weeks (10-20 degrees). |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by TZK on 01/08/22 at 10:38:29 I'll ride in the 50's with heated & insulated gear plus an extra large windscreen. I could probably tolerate lower temperatures but it's just not that much fun for me when it gets any colder. YMMV |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by verslagen1 on 01/08/22 at 10:57:52 786A786A67747B767D350 wrote:
Yep, riding year around except you have to pick your direction wisely in fire and mud season. ;D 40's in the morning may be followed by 80's in the afternoon. but then it could be 100's by the sea and 70's in the mountains... so take your pick. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Serowbot on 01/08/22 at 11:38:59 55f with no windshield,.. 45f with. Amazing difference. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/08/22 at 16:45:10 For those of you in the south who don't really understand about the salt they spread on the roads to melt the snow and ice - here is a photo that shows just how out of control the folks spreading the salt can get. We had about an inch of snow last Wednesday night. This morning (Saturday) I needed to go to the Post Office and also pick up some groceries. Last week this parking lot was black asphalt.....this week it looks like the Bonneville Salt Flats! All that white color is salt - not snow! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/08/22 at 16:45:42 And this is what it does to your car! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/08/22 at 18:03:53 Good Greif Dave ! I'd want my car made out of plastic or fiberglass to survive all the salt. That salt in the parking lot look like our snow the day after ! Yep, riding year around except you have to pick your direction wisely in fire and mud season. ;D ;D ;D ;D .............................. Hay I did get to go for a ride today ! :) The sun came out and warmed us up to 51deg. , so I plugged my gloves up and off I went for about an hour ride-a-bout .on the Guzzi (bigger windshield). I'm going to try the "Hippo-Hands" on the Savage next time. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Tocsik on 01/08/22 at 18:13:21 I ride if it's 30 or higher (and sometimes less) and the roads are clear; no ice or snow, and not too much of the sandy crap they spread here for traction. I used to ride in much colder temps on my scooter which had better wind block. Plus, getting that 80 mpg was worth it. Now, I'm talking about commuting to work, which is about 22 miles and takes about 40 minutes on the side roads. If I'm taking a fun run up the mountains and canyons here in Colorado, I don't do that in Winter. But I'll go when it's in the 50's down here, which means much colder up in the shadows and higher altitude. I dress for the weather, and I absolutely hate being cold. I have a good base layer, fleece lined pants, leather boots, handlebar muffs, full face helmet, balaclava and new heated gloves. If I'm going to ride to work, I need extra time to gear up and then gear down at work. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/08/22 at 19:45:45 All Right Tocsik That cold ain't so bad if ya dress for it ! :) Last new years day (21) I went on a ride with the CMAUSA bunch up to "The Bridge to No-Where near Woodberry TN. (50 miles one way) , it was 14 deg.F when I left the house. Heated gloves w/rain covers mittens. Heated Vest with 10kma battery under insulated nylon jump suit Heated long johns under insulated nylon jump-suit overalls. Big Windshield and matching Plexiglas grip shields. Barclay w full-face helmet. Boots and heavy socks. I never even got cold , but had to take some Pillsberry dough-boy teasing ! ;) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by zipidachimp on 01/08/22 at 23:08:02 Heat is annoying, but cold is a killer. New Years Day 1995, rode around the perimeter ring road of Athens Ga. on my Ascot V-twin for a lark, never again! Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by ohiomoto on 01/09/22 at 08:06:59 Pretty much the same as Tocsik, but I sense I'm getting older and softer...I am about to say screw that sheit!! ;D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by ohiomoto on 01/09/22 at 08:09:16 68535E4958544F49525A57483B0 wrote:
I would say that's too much of a good thing except salt on the roads generally isn't a good thing! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/09/22 at 10:29:34 so ???? Where does all that salt go-to ?? I'm thinking : years of salt into the ground could reall screw-up the natural balance of the soil and ground water ? What is wrong with the people who pull that stuff ?? >:( |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/09/22 at 12:20:07 031103111C0F000D064E0 wrote:
The salt goes into the air, into the waterways, into the soil....it goes everywhere. As the salt dries and becomes that white powder - you can see clouds of white dust in the air from the cars driving over it. That salt goes into your air cleaner, into the air and blows onto everything near the highway. When the salt is wet and the snow is melting, it runs off the road and into the ground. The vegetation along the highways is killed when there is a hard winter and a lot of salt is used. When it rains the water washes the salt into the ditches and storm drains and it goes into the creeks, streams and rivers. I really am surprised that the environmentalists aren't concerned about this issue.......it really does seem that it is not good for the environment. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by oldNslow on 01/09/22 at 20:06:49 6C575A4D5C504B4D565E534C3F0 wrote:
The salt goes into the air, into the waterways, into the soil....it goes everywhere. As the salt dries and becomes that white powder - you can see clouds of white dust in the air from the cars driving over it. That salt goes into your air cleaner, into the air and blows onto everything near the highway. When the salt is wet and the snow is melting, it runs off the road and into the ground. The vegetation along the highways is killed when there is a hard winter and a lot of salt is used. When it rains the water washes the salt into the ditches and storm drains and it goes into the creeks, streams and rivers. I really am surprised that the environmentalists aren't concerned about this issue.......it really does seem that it is not good for the environment.[/quote] The "environmentalists" that make all the noise don't really care about the "environment" that ordinary folks actually live in, that's why. The "environment" that they inhabit is largely a fantasy. As long as there is enough salt on the expressways so that they can drive their brand new cars to the next "climate change" or "lets get rid of fossil fuels " virtue signaling " cocktail party at 80 MPH in the midst of a western New York blizzard they don't give a hoot, |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/09/22 at 20:34:04 I Really enjoyed reading that |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/10/22 at 09:30:28 As the salt dries and becomes that white powder - you can see clouds of white dust in the air from the cars driving over it. That salt goes into your air cleaner, into the air and blows onto everything near the highway. Hay , that reminds me of when I was living on a gravel road . That dust settled on everything , on a busy road day the trees could change from green to gray ! :-? Makes a good argument for building you house way,waY,wAY,WAY off the road !! ;) .......................... I suspect this will be about all the winter we get ... and ... I can be OK with that ! :) Maybe one short cold blast in Feb. ? Then It could be off to Daytona in March ? https://www.daytonabeach.com/bike-week/?msclkid=326d032ba4d417dc892662f7d117e175&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Bike%20Week&utm_term=daytona%20bike%20week&utm_content=Bike%20Week%20(S) Correction : Burning Bike this year : https://bikeweekcampground.com/ We'll have to come up with a new plan ! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by ohiomoto on 01/10/22 at 14:38:00 In the 70s it was all RWD vehicles with snow tires. The question was to stud or not to stud. Then it was all about 4x4s, FWD cars with All Season tires, and some salt. These days it's all about vastly improved tires, expensive AWD SUVs (that can handle anything in the world according to the CGI animated commercials) and SHEIT LOADS of salt!! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 01/10/22 at 14:51:31 Pretty much year round as MM said. If it is dry and above freezing I may ride. Last week one day it was 37 in the morning when I left the house and 51 when I returned in the evening. I did wear riding over pants that day, leather jacket with 2 sweaters underneath, a scarf, a gaiter and insulated gloves. The ride is about 50 minutes each way. I figure I could do an hour ride in those clothes down to about 30 degrees F. Anything colder and I would want better gloves and some sort of insulated boots instead of just my cowboy style boots and a good warm balaclava. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/10/22 at 16:42:34 292E2F292B293229460 wrote:
Yep. After school (and one summer)....I worked at a gas station in Lisbon, Ohio that also had a tire shop. We sold and mounted recap snow tires and they cost $12-$15 each.....adding studs was $2 a tire! We had a little hand held pneumatic gun that loaded the studs into the tread - you stuck the end of the gun in each hole and pulled the trigger! If you wanted to go anywhere in the winter - you needed snow tires. Our pickup had chains we could put on if the snow got really deep. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/10/22 at 17:51:16 I'm thinking the studs in the tires sounds like a better idea than all the salt. But That may be why I'm not in charge of things ? I had a pair of SNOW TIRES with studs on a 1971 Datsun one time , on ice that car would do wheelies ! but on wet pavement it was all over the place like me on roller skates ! .................... |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by LANCER on 01/11/22 at 07:34:04 A complaint of the studded tires was that they tore up pavement. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by oldNslow on 01/11/22 at 12:59:53 68656A6761763633040 wrote:
Probably true. But at least where I live I'm convinced that the damage that the ridiculous amount of salt that is now being used on the roads is far worse. The salt turns the snow into water, the water runs into the cracks in the pavement, refreezes overnight, expands. Day after day for several months. The cracks turn into potholes. By Spring the roads are a wreck. We got two seasons here. Winter and road repair. Same trucks that spend all winter loaded with rock salt spend all summer running the same roads loaded with asphalt. :D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Tocsik on 01/12/22 at 11:37:14 Got to ride to work today! It felt good 8-). It was 28 at home and about 34 at work. Next 10 days have a lot of riding possibilities. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by LANCER on 01/13/22 at 04:19:14 At 28 deg. my bike doesn’t even want to get out from under the covers, much less go out for a ride. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/13/22 at 15:09:59 At 28 deg. my bike doesn’t even want to get out from under the covers, much less go out for a ride. Wait a minute , My bike is the same way most of the time ? It must be "Genetic". ;D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 01/21/22 at 09:33:49 Well, I wuzzed out today. It was 34 F this morning and I decided I would rather that the Jetta for my ride in to work. Cruising at 80 mph with Houston traffic and the car still got 47.5 mpg on the 30+ mile drive. That little Jetta is awesome. :) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Tocsik on 01/21/22 at 12:33:13 That is great mileage! Only a bit less than I get on the Savage. I have a 16 y/o Nissan Frontier and it gets 17 mpg. Its good incentive to ride and get around 50 on the bike. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 01/21/22 at 13:15:23 Yeah. This little jetta really surprised me with the mileage it gets. It averages about 40 mpg in overall daily driving. The only bad thing is that it has spoiled me to the point that if a car gets 30 mpg highway I consider that bad. ;D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/21/22 at 17:24:47 if a car gets 30 mpg highway I consider that bad. If I EVER get another car , you can bet that will be my motto ! With the vehicles available today and gas prices not going down ... anything else would be just plain silly ! ;) When I went looking for a truck , I got the Highest MPG I could find . At the time 27 mpg average was the best I could find. But it gets better than that if I drive like I got good sense and stay out of town. That's even with a motorcycle in the back of it . :) It's a 200 HP Gas engine. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 01/25/22 at 07:37:12 There are things to be said for the more expensive cars. I threw my back outta whack and not back in whack yet. So drove into work with my wife these last two rather cold days. She may only get 20 some miles per gallon, but she has heated seats in her car. :) That was really nice on my back!!! 8-) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/26/22 at 03:48:26 We are currently 7 degrees this morning.....it is too cold to ride! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/26/22 at 07:42:56 Dave , Thinking of COLD ! I can't get that outdoor wood heater of your out of my mind this time of year . The way I remember it : Ya load it once a day ! Ya get a HEATED GRARAGE out of it ! Ya get a HEATED HOUSE out of it ! Ya get HOT WATER for the house ! And the wood cutting is about 3 feet long which means less cutting ! Now , I know my concrete is already poured so the eight car size heated shop area is not a possibility . That also means my outdoor unit could be a little less. Also , our son Anders is thinking of building a house on the new property next door . I'm thinking the cedar log cabin he is thinking of would be nice and warm with a heated concrete pad under it . Same thing if he goes with the Metal Building idea . Question is : How on earth did you come up with such an idea ? |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/26/22 at 09:44:19 Mike: The outdoor wood boiler is a wonderful thing....providing you don't mind cutting firewood. I cut my wood 24" long as that is what fits in my splitter. The firebox is 44" long - when I load wood I rake the coals to the front and throw the wood in the back.....I load 3-4 pieces in the morning before I go to work, and another 3-4 pieces at night before I go to bed. It takes about 6 cords of wood to get me through a winter. I have a 16x18 carport for my woodshed - if I can get it full that is about 3 years worth of wood......it is best to let the wood season a year before you burn it. Although the radiant floor heat in the garage is nice - it isn't the only way to use the heat from the boiler. If you have forced air heat in the house you can install a heat exchanger in the furnace plenum and have the thermostat turn on the blower when you need heat.....that is how our house works. For your garage you can install a heat exchanger and blower.....kind of like the electric or gas furnaces that hang from the ceiling - but it uses the hot water from the boiler...…..you can also use the old cast iron radiators. If you have plenty of woods and can harvest the wood from your property - this is a good system. I have trees dying and falling down al the time - I rarely have to cut down a healthy tree for heat. To keep the property cleaned maintained I have to get the dead and damaged trees cleaned up - I might as well use the wood for heat rather than just burning it as waste in a brush pile. Cutting and stacking the wood is a lot of work - it is good work and helps me keep in shape....and it is more fun than going to a gym. Some folks have outdoor boiler that burn rounds bales - the end of the boiler opens and you put the entire round bale in! If you have a tractor and bailer this might be better than wood! This guy does a good job explaining the good and bad. He splits his wood too small - I only make it small enough I can lift it without hurting myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2QTK66lJJA |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by ohiomoto on 01/26/22 at 17:45:21 I have a diesel heater in my van. It's a balmy 60-75 degrees in there all winter long. :) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/27/22 at 02:48:53 It was 9 degrees last night......nice and warm in the house and garage. The Dragon in my back yard stayed up all night and chased away the cold! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/27/22 at 08:43:10 Impressive Dragon ! :) Just now I had a thought about the Hot water Feeding the hot water tank. I picture the Dragon water feeding the hot water tank instead of cold water feeding it. Then in summer when the Dragon is resting ... Cold water feeds the water heater from the same source ... its just not preheated before it gets there. Hay , how about a look at how the Dragon's water gets around. Is it just pvc pipe running through the shop floor ? The first thing that comes to mind is: A pvc joint starts leaking and is burred in concrete ... = Screwed ? Then there is the Heat lost getting to the house . It seems the closer to the house the better ? It seems like a great system , Is it your own creation or are they commercially out there already ? :-? |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/27/22 at 10:32:33 This system is not all that basic....... The water gets from the Dragon to the house underground in PEX tubing. There are no underground joints....the PEX tubing comes in big rolls. The PEX tubing is buried inside a 4" diameter PVC pipe that has about 4" of insulation molded to the outside.....there is some heat loss and the nearer the house the better - but supposedly it only loses a few degrees in making the trip. We are about 150 feet away from the house and like having all the mess and smell out of sight....the garage heat travels in a second pipe and likely travels about 30 feet to get inside the garage. The PEX tubing is special as it does not allow oxygen to permeate the pipe and get into the water. The water is treated with a chemical that starves the water for oxygen - so the water loses the oxygen and won't rust the boiler that is made from steel. The builders prefer to use plain steel for boilers as it is more efficient than using stainless steel, and they don't use antifreeze in the water as it would take several hundred gallons. The PEX tubing is also under the floor of the garage, and I believe it may only have 1 joint under the concrete. The joints are brass sleeves with the pipe pushed over the sleeve and then a brass collar is compressed onto the pipe to lock it in place. Where the floor has joints the PEX tubing is put inside a short sleeve that allows the concrete to move and not be in direct contact wit the PEX tubing....the PEX is protected inside the sleeve. If you get a hole in the PEX that is buried in the floor....you are screwed. We have a lot of steel reinforcing in the floor to keep it from moving around. The hot water from the boiler goes to a manifold that has valves and a pump and is connected to a zone for the front garage and a zone for the back garage - when the thermostats call for heat the hot water is pumped through the floor. What is weird is that if you have the thermostat set for 60 - the floor only gets up to about 65 to keep things warm. It is radiant heat and is very stable, and the heat stays low and doesn't rise up to the ceiling like is does with forced air. When the hot boiler water comes into the house it is somewhere between 160-180 degrees and it first passes through one side of a water/water heat exchanger that preheats the cold water that is going into the water heater. From there the boiler water goes to a side arm on the water heater that has a 2" outer shell and a 1" inner pipe that are all made of copper. The boiler water is traveling downward in the 2" pipe to keep the water inside the water heater hot....the 1" pipe connects to the bottom of the water heater and then travels up through the center of the 2" pipe and enters the water heater at the top. The thermosiphon action of the water flowing out of the 1" pipe at the bottom of the water heater causes the water to flow upward in the 1" pipe as it is heated and then it flows back into the water tank at the top. The boiler water then leaves the water heater sidearm and travels to the furnace where a water/air heat exchanger is installed in the furnace plenum - when we need heat the thermostat opens a valve and direct the water through the heat exchanger......when we don't need heat the valve directs the water through a bypass pipe. Then the water returns to the boiler to be reheated. When the boiler is working the electric heating elements in the water heater are turned off, as we get plenty of hot water from the boiler. The water in the boiler and the water in the water heater never mix - they are separate water systems and they operate independently and they only way they interconnect is by a heat exchanger. When the boiler does not have a fire the pumps that circulate the boiler water are turned off - and there is no boiler water flowing through the heat exchangers to add or remove heat from the water heater tank...the electric water heater elements are turned back on and we have to buy electricity to heat our water. I generally only run the outdoor boiler when outside temperatures are consistently below 40 degrees. Above that temperature the heat pump and sunshine does a good job heating the house. If I want to work in the garage I may fire up the boiler every few days - the concrete floors hold the heat for a long time and only lose a few degrees each day.....it takes several days to drop from 60 to 50 (and it takes nearly a half day of heating to get the floors back up to 60 once they have cooled off. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/27/22 at 17:11:44 Sounds like a smart setup. Okay, Dave,go ahead. Dude, just get a Gold star and put it on your scorecard. Okay! Okay! Get two..yeah Dave,you deserve two,, |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/27/22 at 21:36:19 Yea , Smart set up. :) I don't know how you ever figured all that out ? I thought maybe in your job experiences you see more stuff than most of the rest of us ? If I ever move the wood burner out side then I'll need a little more price friendly set up , I'm sure. My little wood stove heats the 1900 sq/ft house just fine. The wood is always less than 19" long and less than 5" dia. The Bad part is the little heater has to be refilled about ever 4-6 hours because one 5"er and one 3"er is all that can fit in it at a time. I should have replaced it 15 years ago , but ... that would cut into my Motorcycle Money so it hasn't happened yet ! ::) Ya know a good wood heater is over $3000 now. That the amount I sold Kate for. I've got a Tractor Supply one that came with the house. I was asking mainly on behalf of that son of mine. He is planning to build a house and I need to know how to advise him on a good system. There is a chance ??? he might get a Cedar Log cabin on a concreate slab. If that "slab" was like your shop floor his life would be a lot easier in the long run. We are doing some logging and have a lot of cedar. The logger is also a log home builder. We could work-something-out Maybe ??? ;) Son is not sure what he even wants yet ... That make me think of something else Dave . You have any experience with those metal buildings like a lot of business have ? I've seen a few of them built on slabs that are houses with garages built into them too. I'm of the understanding that some types of log homes have problems with wood bees ! Wouldn't that be a mess after a few years ! ;D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by IceBerg on 01/28/22 at 02:26:40 During the daytime, I'll do short rides (under 30 min) if the temp is above ~30F. At night, the only time I'll ride under 45F is if I've already ridden somewhere and I need to get home. I just wear my regular gloves and a hoodie under the Carhartt jacket. My absolute ideal riding weather is a nice 65-70F for sure though. My poor Canadian body hates these 90+ days in the summers. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 01/28/22 at 04:00:46 My sister has an antique log home with huge logs and the chinking between the logs. The cabin was torn down and rebuilt on her property. Maintenance of the logs is a constant battle for her, and it is expensive. The logs near the bottom get a lot of moisture and she had to have several replaced - it was expensive to hire a craftsman that knows how to do that. You live in a drier climate than she does, and a wood structure may work better for you in TN. I don't have any experience with the modern wood logs. I was a building inspector for a few cities and I have issued permits for hundreds of homes, and not a single one was a log cabin! I do believe the wood has to get cleaning/sealing/staining on a regular basis - and you can easily spot the cabins with the weathered damaged wood where owners don't do that. There is a little house close by that was built a few years ago that is a metal building. It has a couple of level changes as it sits on the side of a hill looking at the Ohio River. It is cuter than this photo from Google Street view makes it look, and it has a huge outdoor deck area with a roof that takes advantage of the river view......it is lit up at night with lots of little string lights. I think a house like this would be really affordable to build and low maintenance - however I think you need to get good metal that is durable. I built a metal pole building around 1998 from a kit I got from a lumber yard. The metal siding has rust forming on the metal sheets where the bends where formed in the metal. Painting metal siding is really difficult I believe - as it is hard to get the new paint to stick and I have seen a lot of metal poles buildings with peeling paint. There are also a lot of folks using the shipping containers to make houses. Some are really nice - some are not. I don't know that the resale value would be - I suppose it depends how nicely the job was done. It would be really easy to do a poor job and end up with a cold, leaky house if you did this wrong. My outdoor furnace was about $6,000 when I built this house in 2007. I didn't know anything about how they work - luckily the fellow that I bought it from did. He was a small contractor who sold the furnaces and knew how to install them, and he allowed me to do the work I could do and he worked affordably for what he could do. He had previously been an employee of the company installing our HVAC system and they worked well together getting their systems combined. There was a large company nearby that made the 4x8 sheets of 2-3" thick insulation for roofing, and for $100 I could buy a large trailer load of "seconds" that worked fine but had visual flaws.....that insulation was used under the floor of the garage and house. Our house and garage are also made of SIPS panels - which is styrofoam panels that have OSB plywood glued to them....it is really well insulated. If I remember correctly the entire wood boiler and heat pump system in the house and garage was nearly $24,000! In addition to that I had to buy chainsaws, a wood splitter and build a wood shed.....that likely cost another $6,000 or so (I already had the tractor and trailer for hauling wood so I don't count those). For the past 15 years we have been heating our house with wood when the weather is cold, and for the longest time the cost of electricity was $70 - $100 a month. Our last bill was $175 due to the increase in electricity, and I have also been in the garage a lot using the air compressor, powder coating oven and lights. I do believe we have saved enough money on heating cost to pay for the entire system - but I do spend several weeks each year cutting/splitting/stacking wood. I am pretty sure I could not afford to heat my house and the 1,800 square foot garage all winter if I was using propane/oil/electricity for heat. It is a lifestyle choice that my wife and I have made........she spends a lot of time in her garden growing vegetables and canning food, and I spend a lot of time gathering up firewood. I can pick and choose when I cut wood, and since the wood is all here on my property I can spend an just an hour or two at a time when I can fit it in - I don't have to spend an entire day on wood if I don't want to. I am pretty cheap when it comes to giving my money to a utility company and I somewhat enjoy the process of getting wood - the other place I am really cheap is paying somebody else to do my vehicle repairs. It just doesn't seem right to work all day at my job so I can pay a dealership for an hour of labor! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 01/28/22 at 09:27:13 Agreed , Don't spend what ya don't have too ! :) Those are my entertainment dollars we're talking about ! ......................... Hay , you've got the best heating system I think I've ever seen. Its really impressive. I'll do some local research on heating a concrete pad if that's the direction son decides to go. I did suggest to him the idea of getting a travel trailer to live in while he builds a house. Then resell it when he's done with it (might even make a dollar on it ? ). Even the idea of putting up a 24x40 pole barn to park it in along with two cars (they are always handy to have). He'll do whatever he wants , but "informed decisions are usually the best ones" , has been my experiences . :) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/22 at 16:05:43 There was a large company nearby that made the 4x8 sheets of 2-3" thick insulation for roofing, and for $100 I could buy a large trailer load of "seconds" that worked fine but had visual flaws.....that insulation was used under the floor of the garage and house. Brilliant,, getchya a gold star... I'm sure you also know plywood can be had at discount from Lowe's or Home Depot. A scrape or even a gouge, can save fifty percent. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 02/03/22 at 09:06:01 We are currently having a winter storm that started out with rain yesterday, it turned to freezing rain/sleet this morning around 7AM, and this will continue until 5PM when the snow will begin. Most businesses have closed as they are predicting up to 1/2" of ice to accumulate....which makes for slick roads and downed trees and power lines. I keep my home and the fun riding places on my weather app on my phone. Melbourne, KY - Winter Storm Warning. Robbinsville, NC - Drizzle Suches, GA - Rain Jasper, AK - Winter Storm Warning Kerrville, TX - Winder Storm Warning This is a bit weird.......this storm extends from Mexico all the way up to Nova Scotia! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 02/03/22 at 12:08:27 Winter storm definitely on its way. I was supposed to become a grandfather for the second time tomorrow but due to winter storm has been postponed until Monday. Who knows though, the little guy may decide he wants to arrive this weekend anyway! ;D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 02/04/22 at 00:14:55 a grandfather for the second time tomorrow Wow ! Are you old enough for that ? ;D Let me be one of the first to say : Congratulations ! :) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 02/06/22 at 06:20:38 18 degrees and sunny , but too cold for me ! Al Gore should be sssooo embarrassed :-[ :-[ :-[ |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 02/06/22 at 08:52:20 485A485A57444B464D050 wrote:
We saw 8 degrees on the car temperature display this morning on the way to church. We had an ice/snow event on Thursday and into Friday that deposited about an inch of ice/snow that is impervious to a shovel or snow blower....it is stuck to the pavement and will not come off. It is not all that slippery to drive on as it was slush when it froze and it has a rough texture. Today is sunny and it is supposed to get up into the 40's - so I either will have some success getting it off the pavement this afternoon......or it will refreeze into a very icy mess tonight when we got back down to 16 degrees. :-? |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/06/22 at 13:36:33 We saw 8 degrees on the car temperature display this morning on the way to church. Unless Jesus promised to meet me on the steps and give me a Warm You Up hug I'm not going! I guess if I'm wanting to be warm, he could get me fixed up, for Eternity.. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 02/06/22 at 16:43:24 554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 wrote:
I wore the Milwaukee heated vest to church this morning - at the early service the heat hasn't always been on long enough to make the place toasty. The vest is not very fashionable - but we have a very forgiving flock! ;) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 02/06/22 at 17:28:43 I did get to take the DR out for a ride yesterday for an hour long secondary road ride. The temp got up to 40 or so. Warm enough to putt around in the 30mph nicely. It runs up to 65mph with no sweat . :) But -- Its cold up there ! ;D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 02/08/22 at 08:49:33 Well I became a grandpa for the second time last night. Cool! It was 37 F this morning, the Honda did not start. I had been meaning to put it on the battery tender, but I didn't. I guess I'll do that tonight when I get home. The S40 started up just fine. It needed the choke for about a minute and then all was good. The day is already in the 50's so the ride going home should not be so cold. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 02/08/22 at 18:03:56 Hay GRANDPAW !! For the SECOND time even ... Your to young for having grandchildren. I guess we will find out if GRANDCHILDREN cause GRAY HAIR ? ;D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 02/09/22 at 08:24:56 I always felt you needed to be at least 60 to be a grandparent. Now I wish I would have become a grandparent sooner. It was 37F again this morning when I left home. The Honda spent the night on the tender and started right up this morning. Nice ride. Cold but beautiful day. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 02/09/22 at 20:49:03 It was 37F again this morning Hay Springman How big is your windshield ? Also , I found some hand guards that keep my fingers out of the wind. Ebay , has lots of styles of them the best ones also are called "Brush-Guards" , they have a solid Aluminum support that also protect your brake/clutch levers in case of a fall over. Ya beat the wind and you WIN ! :) Check this out ? https://www.ebay.com/itm/403041168508?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item5dd7202c7c:g:cOcAAOSw-SFg9EiK&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACoPYe5NmHp%252B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsS%252BMKizvpuEDUfX4dvRWfUzeSP9J6UoIbfU1cNhwztMNFv%252BykcOC5iJCPe6HwM26PKUA%252F7SdRqXLqOGFoD6B%252BUVpUjhMlvXlhf9Ez9UPWpo6OqW1pLojDV9Uk16DCp0FpQXiUFU%252B2MkHyG3eYDbpzMXHrqpfshUQlO%252BHMXw0Yetx2rsn9OL8m5XpGB%252BErZq1aFHQdTbgL%252B33z8GJ5XHl43s%252Fya7Onz76CXHtcrr8X9dj7xX4Y8Qy9IXgFVCWD07ITsloQ3twpSPPV%252BCvBowjQT3V6mMO136cjrX3jwX5XXvYEp0OJf77dzOiGISbNn1g7zvKX1F53XnKhkn2MvTs55aHWPSLEqs8VUpJYLjYb%252FUNwM0C3N9bUtNYgqxwpK32TuF%252FeRcJjrJpppqlIcjp6EPF9mjyHvbTuduqOodgEfhWCNbQ3R0v8jyGZK6gFytL85fx06fI3Wr91mDvrWqAeyaPq%252FOe0t7dx8wWwGMWT%252FgTfICIZXfVVbfsCG3fdpyYC7Pqc5qVEhE7S%252B8kEOFX2HgaKGVoTNQ%252BgwF6MMSCogVrGu7gVfZqsewGWhnONRkNtIBXyy6T9Hu%252FIu7PqeNpckWik1qIx1d6ocSPCwwb18oJ3EzHiXKhh%252BWtdLQ3DJzjOwTbjFZKGyWaJqoL90cNerDKs1VHjelB9uK7HZVtADjP1VobkGvxsNXSz1g%252Fna1zOKAGaHsyf2nG%252FKWKv39Rw8BwXg9%252FYSkQNxvbPrHjaWG2WqKN%252B16WK3erH8KxCLGzUiO05kjGDj%252FfCuNkQXjN9O%252BHMWdzI1j0z44nEKDaORrxWrFtM8jn8IzwzceKlx3Qt890W55GYK5BjbkZaMBuhn8g%253D%253D%7Cclp%3A2334524%7Ctkp%3ABFBM0Jfnntxf You replace the battery clips with the 2 prong plug that come with bike batteries . The heat shrink tubing comes from Harbor Freight for cheep. https://www.ebay.com/itm/294721505396?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 02/10/22 at 14:26:01 I don't use a windshield. But I do bundle up fairly well and have decent cold weather gloves. Today was really interesting, I left home in Winter (43F) and arrived at work in Spring (63F). You just gotta love that Houston weather. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 02/10/22 at 19:30:42 ;D ;D ;D ............................ You must have been "Flying South" instead of going to work ? Just how fast does that Motorsicle go anyway ? ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/22 at 19:49:52 How Cold is Too Cold? Okay, after actually RIDING in freezing weather and feeling the warmth from the exhaust of a car a hunnert feet in front of me, I can tell you that it is Too Cold at a higher temperature every year. Getting old sux |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 02/11/22 at 13:50:27 Age definitely has its effects on us. All we can really do is try to live a healthy lifestyle and enjoy what God allows us. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/22 at 17:11:41 All we can really do is try to live a healthy lifestyle and enjoy what God allows us. No contest.. I didn't Do it right, but I'm not so goofy I don't see how correct you are |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 02/14/22 at 17:20:30 On my way to work this morning I stopped to get gas.....and look what was on the other side of the pump! It was 13 degrees this morning, and this fellow was riding his Roadster model Sportster. He had on a pretty light weight jacket and gloves, and jeans! He proved he is far tougher than I am! |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 02/14/22 at 17:41:36 my vest has its own battery ? But 13 deg.... :o |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 02/15/22 at 09:38:36 That guy is plain nuts!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/22 at 11:52:54 I would have asked if the car would not start.. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by springman on 02/28/22 at 08:51:36 Allergy season has arrived in Houston with a vengeance. >:( That means warm weather to come shortly. :) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/06/22 at 23:40:16 If you have reason to run North and South you can watch the line of blossoms on the trees creep North. If you are having allergies there now, I'll let you know when it hits me.Truss me, I'll know. Hope it doesn't hit before the gall bladder surgery heals,cuz when I sneeze it's like a gun going off.. It should be interesting seeing how long it takes for Spring to get from you up to us. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 03/07/22 at 02:33:25 We had a few good weather days last week and I got my first ride(s) of the year! On Wednesday night the temps were in the middle 60's and I rode out to a dinner with a group of motorcycle friends. On Friday morning I put fuel in the Honda MiniTrail that I have owned for more than 20 years and I never started or have ridden. When I worked at Cardinal Engineering I had 3 file cabinets in my office, and this bike was displayed on top of the cabinets......it was my office "art". It is going up for sale on "Bring a Trailer" and I figured it was important for bidders to know it runs! They are only 1.8HP - so hauling my heavy butt up the hill required a downshift to 2nd gear! It is the first year of the MiniTrail (1968) - so there are no lights, a short muffler, white grips and white plastic levers, and an ON/OFF switch instead of a key. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pX5r7huocE [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pX5r7huocE[/media] |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by LANCER on 03/07/22 at 09:39:35 What are you asking for it ? |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by Dave on 03/07/22 at 14:02:05 5459565B5D4A0A0F380 wrote:
Well......I am hoping to get a lot of money for it. There are some crazy people out there, and right now the little MiniTrail bikes seem to be in high demand. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-honda-z50-monkey/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-honda-z50a-4/ |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by LANCER on 03/07/22 at 16:34:13 You are right, they are in high demand. [ch128559] |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/07/22 at 20:09:29 I can see it now... Dave,chipped tooth grin, oozing down the road. You Know you get Fifty gold stars for the tooth,right? |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 03/08/22 at 06:53:46 Well Dave , I'm glad your selling it ! :-X It would be embarrassing if somebody got a picture of both of us on that little seat !! :-[ I hope the bidding get up enough you can get the long seat model . .......................... Marcia and I took the DR. out for a 10 mile ride Saturday and it was really tight. I don't think we'll be taking it next time. :) |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/22 at 17:02:18 It would be embarrassing if you did it where nobody even saw you. If I saw it, I would be embarrassed For you. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by MMRanch on 03/08/22 at 22:10:43 :-? Good point JOG We need back roads to make a small bike adventure for sure . I know this whole thing is a joke , but it sure would be fun ! :) Some public roads with camping on the road side would be nice as long as town wasn't too far off. |
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Title: Re: How cold is TOO COLD ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/22 at 23:19:33 Such high minded goals would not be found Here https://www.artofmanliness.com/ Yeah, it's a hoot to think about.. |
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