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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 12/21/21 at 09:41:28

Title: That is not good
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/21/21 at 09:41:28

OXFORD STUDY SHOCKER: 1 in 100 Vaccinated Individuals Were Admitted to Hospital or Died with Arrhythmia During Study Period
By Jim Hoft
Published December 20, 2021 at 10:30pm
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On December 14th, 2021, Nature Medicine released a study based on a broad population data set analyzed by researchers at Oxford University. The researchers examined the risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19 vaccination and infection.

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The Oxford researchers reveal that 1 in 100 or 1% of all vaccinated individuals were admitted to the hospital or died with arrhythmia or irregular heartbeat.
TRENDING: OXFORD STUDY SHOCKER: 1 in 100 Vaccinated Individuals Were Admitted to Hospital or Died with Arrhythmia During Study Period

Of the 38,615,491 vaccinated individuals included in our study, 385,508 (1.0%) were admitted to hospital with or died from cardiac arrhythmia at any time in the study period (either before or after vaccination); 86,754 (0.2%) of these occurred in the 1-28[ch8201]days after any dose of vaccine. Of those who were admitted or died 39,897 (10.3%) had a SARS-CoV-2 positive test, with 29,694 (7.7%) having a positive test before vaccination. There were 7,795 deaths with cardiac arrhythmia recorded as the cause of death (1,108 had a SARS-CoV-2 positive test).

So 1 in 100 of the vaccinated individuals are going to the hospital with irregular heart beat and this isn’t international headlines

Title: Re: That is not good
Post by Eegore on 12/21/21 at 10:29:12

If one looked at the actual study they might not agree with this 1 in 100 math. But it works out great if they intentionally leave out the non-vaccinated numbers. Let's only look at people vaccinated with heart issues and ignore the rates of people with no vaccination and the same heart issues, then pull this 1 out of 100 math hoping nobody notices.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

Similar associations were not observed with any of the COVID-19 vaccines, apart from an increased risk of arrhythmia following a second dose of mRNA-1273.

There are however issues, as I said before we should really be looking at the cardiac issues. Primarily cardiac arrhythmias. What this study does do is point out that Pfizer is considerably better for males under 40.

https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/latest/2021/05/covid-pfizer-vaccination-interval-antibody-response.aspx

This information indicates there should be a longer phase between doses, and possibly no boosters for some.

The CDC has a calculation of 12.6 heart inflammation cases per million doses for people under 30. So it is an issue that's being evaluated, but will the information be utilized in a timeframe that is beneficial?

Title: Re: That is not good
Post by Eegore on 12/22/21 at 07:25:14

Ok so I figured out how this guy to the 1 in 100 number and anyone willing to agree with that math needs to go back to middle school.

He basically did what is done on this forum and cherry-picked the numbers then pretended those numbers represent everything. Imagine that, somebody other than the Guvment manipulated information.

Cardiac issues with Moderna and particularly males under 40 needs to be addressed. Covid causes more cardiac issues than vaccines in everyone but males that took mRNA-1273, less for BNT162b2 and almost zero for ChAdOx1. This is according to the numbers in the study provided in the article.

Ok so lets ignore ChAdOx1, and BNT162b2 so we can say "the vaccine" is killing more than it actually is.

Of course by the logic used here, since the guy that presented the article about the study lied, Oxford and Nature lied. Oxford and Nature are liars because somebody else lied to me about that was in the study. That's how this works right?

Title: Re: That is not good
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/21 at 07:40:17

Pick the number, I seriously don't GAF,,
Look around at the athletes.
If you don't think the jab is dangerous, good for you. I DO,,

Title: Re: That is not good
Post by Eegore on 12/22/21 at 07:59:15

You can think it's dangerous all day long. I just don't think using incorrect information is a good way to support that view.

This is just the same re-hash of the same tired process we always go through. You provide information and expect others (others being all known humans besides JoG) to ignore the blatantly false information that you offered, and just look at this one portion over here that is correct.

Why can't the actual verifiable information be used and not this manipulated garbage?

Why ignore all the healthy people? Just admit more people are just fine getting the vaccine, but one specific demographic taking a specific version is at higher risk.

Manipulating the numbers to say everyone is at risk, then having the audacity to say the source of the information lied when somebody else lied about that source information is really ridiculous.

How can anyone take what is posted seriously if those are the strategies?

Title: Re: That is not good
Post by WebsterMark on 12/22/21 at 09:44:54

In my job, I get status updates regularly with nearly 1,000 field engineers. These people are required to pass whatever requirement large corporations publish as well as sensitive government institutions. My assumption is the vast majority have been vaccinated and while slightly less I’m sure, a large number got the booster. I’m not aware of anyone missing any days due to hospitalization and certainly no deaths.

So the idea 1% of those vaccinated were admitted to the hospital or died shortly thereafter doesn’t pass my smell test.

Look, two things are absolutely true.
1) Serious side effects from the vaccine are disproportionate to the value of the vaccine. The side effects from the vaccine for healthy adults is not a deterrent, on my opinion.
2) The never ending fight over wearing mask is disproportionate to the value from wearing masks. Masks are maybe 1/2 to 3/4 as effective as you’ve been lead to believe.

Title: Re: That is not good
Post by Eegore on 12/22/21 at 12:35:43

"Look, two things are absolutely true.
1) Serious side effects from the vaccine are disproportionate to the value of the vaccine. The side effects from the vaccine for healthy adults is not a deterrent, on my opinion.
2) The never ending fight over wearing mask is disproportionate to the value from wearing masks. Masks are maybe 1/2 to 3/4 as effective as you’ve been lead to believe."

I agree with this. The only way people can reach these large numbers of dead and dying are to manufacture them. The only way to reach such percentages is leaving out large groups of people who had no issues. The US military is vaccinating hundreds of thousands of young males, men under 40, in good physical shape, many would be considered athletic, where are all the heart problems?

Why aren't there 1 in 100 dead or hospitalized enlisted personnel from heart issues?

There is a demographic of healthy males however that should not be taking mRNA-1273. I also see more and more information showing we should wait longer between doses.

Title: Re: That is not good
Post by WebsterMark on 12/23/21 at 05:14:57

And along the same lines, I don’t know anyone who’s died of Covid. I know dozens and dozens of people who have gotten Covid and recovered fully. I have a niece who doesn’t seem to have the same smell ability she had before. My brothers wife’s great aunt who was in her 90s died in the nursing home with Covid not of Covid. Officially she’s listed as a Covid death reality is quite a bit different.

I had a Twitter fight with someone who said people who don’t wear a mask or get booster shots would be stupid enough to stay inside of a burning house. And my reply was of course I would run out of a burning house because a burning house is deadly to me. For my age health and pre-existing health conditions Covid is a very remote possibility so I don’t worry about it.

I’m not worried at all about Omicron because everything I’ve read seems to indicate the symptoms are much milder. Omicron is a good thing and we should hope everyone gets infected quickly. It will be the thing that relegates COVID-19 to the background. Omicron is just a cold. I’ve read about 25% of all colds are caused by coronavirus, the rest by other types of viruses. And if the antibodies created by the vaccines are effective against Omicron, the natural antibodies created after a person has been exposed to Omicron will be effective in limiting symptoms of COVID-19 as well.