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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 12/19/21 at 07:32:00

Title: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/19/21 at 07:32:00

Tell me they didn't tell us that

https://theferalirishman.blogspot.com/2021/12/mornin-misinformation.html

Go on..hurry off now.. So you can get back in here and apologize.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1472327161352798212?s=20

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by Eegore on 12/19/21 at 10:44:11

You mean you never said anything on here for instance that you believed and then when more information was available you didn't change your stance?

Was Sandy Hook faked?

Would it be fair to say you were a liar and spread misinformation about that?

I do think it was inappropriate to say vaccine "will do" this and "will do" that when the information wasn't available yet. The difference here is that when the updated outcomes start showing up the recommendations change - due to evidence.

This is the important part: Changed due to evidence. Not opinion, and also not holding to the inaccuracies grasping at every straw to maintain that vaccines are completely effective.

They could have just looked at every tiny article on the internet and used it as "proof" with zero research and posted, repeatedly, blatant lies over and over. Cherry picked the information they want to be true and just asked everyone to ignore the lies, or anything that doesn't comply with the pre-decided narrative.

But instead, recommendations changed after real actual evidence showed they were wrong to make the claims they did.

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by MnSpring on 12/19/21 at 10:44:12

796660677A7D4C7C4C74666A21130 wrote:

Tell me they didn't tell us that ...

Wait for it !

The 'apologists'.
The 'explanations' of what it 'really' means.
The Spin, that it is actually about something totally different.

The UL, Progressive, Anti Freedom, FDS Socialist Sheepol,
are very good at all those things.

"...So you can get back in here and apologize. ..."
And that,
will NEVER,
Happen !

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/19/21 at 13:19:05

I said they lied
You said
Never did they say the vaccine would stop people from getting it

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by Serowbot on 12/19/21 at 14:00:20

With the vaccine you are much less likely to get it, and much less likely to die from it if you do.
Parsing quotes don't change that.

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by Eegore on 12/19/21 at 15:30:04

I said they lied
You said
Never did they say the vaccine would stop people from getting it

I agree that they should not have made claims before there was enough information to state the claims.

But when somebody changes their stance because evidence indicates they were wrong, then they were wrong. If they were still, today, saying the same things then they would be liars.

This is like saying the CDC lied when somebody made up something they didn't say. The CDC are liars because I lied to you about what the CDC said.

In this case the CDC are liars because they changed their recommendations to match today's evidence. Being wrong now means you are a liar.

So by your logic when you posted about driver licenses being illegal, you weren't wrong, you were a liar. Prove you didn't post what you posted.

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by Eegore on 12/19/21 at 15:38:09

"With the vaccine you are much less likely to get it, and much less likely to die from it if you do."

That part doesn't matter. Ignore anything that doesn't match the pre-decided outcome and don't require evidence for things you think are true, but demand it from things you think are false.

As we can see here, being wrong is lying. I thought my neighbor's name was Johnson, and told people that, but it is actually JohnsTon, with a "t" so I am a liar.

The proof is a video where I said Johnson before I knew the actual name so in that video I am obviously lying.

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/19/21 at 16:44:04

You SAID I was WRONG.
You SAID they never Claimed that the jab protects people from getting it.
Own it.

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by Eegore on 12/19/21 at 22:04:05

You SAID I was WRONG.
You SAID they never Claimed that the jab protects people from getting it.
Own it.

Really? Because according to the conversation you and I had, I didn't say they "never" and you appeared to acknowledge it:

JOG:
"You ain't Aware of anyone saying the jab protects,,, but they did.
You can get back to Normal..
Remember?
You don't see the disaster it is. Other vaccination programs have been stopped for fewer problems."

So it should be clear that I SAID I am not aware. This is not equal to saying I do not think it happened. It certainly could have happened, I was just unaware. What I "never" did was challenge your assessments regarding vaccine statements made by others.

Now you claim I SAID "they never" claimed that the jab protects people from getting it." Why did you acknowledge that I was unaware if you think I SAID "never"?

What did I actually say?

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1630656727/30

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/21 at 11:25:59

You Do dance as good as Michael Jackson.

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by Eegore on 12/20/21 at 12:34:29

Ok but What did I actually say? You literally acknowledge what I SAID, repeated it, and now you are trying to say I SAID something different?

You SAID I was WRONG.
You SAID they never Claimed that the jab protects people from getting it.

I never SAID that. I did not say you were WRONG nor did I ever defend the idiocy of people making claims about the vaccine. I actually criticized it myself due to lack of data.

Own that.

Try using my actual words, notice I will use quotes of yours and provide reference so there is no confusion about what was really SAID. Instead of making up words and claiming I SAID them. What did I actually say?

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/21 at 13:06:10

Funny how it just does not look like what I remember. It really did seem that you were challenging me to prove they said what I said they did. Whatevs, enjoy!

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by Eegore on 12/20/21 at 13:41:32

Funny how it just does not look like what I remember. It really did seem that you were challenging me to prove they said what I said they did.

I never challenged you, or asked for a reference of any kind in regards to what people say about a vaccine, especially if they have no evidence. People saying things without evidence means nothing - I don't waste my time on it.

What I did say, my actual words:

I agree. This is why I don't use "the media" to make my decisions, I use evidence and actually look at the information I am presented.

That's what I actually SAID. Those are the actual words.

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by MnSpring on 12/20/21 at 16:03:56

5A7A78706D7A1F0 wrote:

" ...
I never challenged you,
or asked for a reference of any kind ..."

You have 'challenged' JOG.
And you have numerous times,
asked JOG for a reference.

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by Eegore on 12/20/21 at 16:45:42

"You have 'challenged' JOG.
And you have numerous times,
asked JOG for a reference."

To clarify:

I have never asked JoG for a reference specific to the topic of this thread and only this thread with the exemption of all other known threads or topics of any kind.

I very specifically indicate this when I said "in regards to what people say about a vaccine". This is meant to indicate I mean in regards, specifically and only, to what people say about a vaccine and only that, not all other known things.

I did not ask for any reference regarding this statement:

"You ain't Aware of anyone saying the jab protects,,, but they did."

This and only this sentence is the one I was referring to. All other sentences phrases or structures of verbiage besides the one quoted above is not what I am referring to. That sentence and topic is what I never challenged and that sentence and topic in exclusivity.

I SAID I was unaware and that's it.

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/21 at 22:20:40

Title: Re: Listen to the lies,yourself
Post by Eegore on 12/21/21 at 07:36:53

Horseshit
You demanded I show where I got my information. I got it from bits and pieces of statements. I PAY Attention. I've been watching things for decades. My batting average is very good. And Trump, pushing the jab after the death and misery?

SCREW HIM.

Use my actual words to show where I "demanded" anything about this topic. This topic, not other stuff, this one. When I make claims about your statements I use your actual statements.

I already linked the discussion for you, go ahead and point out where I did anything other than state I was unaware. Tell me what I really SAID, not spin or what one might call lies about what what I SAID.

Explain this:

JOG:

"FFS,the jab was Not being promoted by the left while Trump was in office.
It was being talked very negatively about."

Eegore:

I agree. This is why I don't use "the media" to make my decisions, I use evidence and actually look at the information I am presented.

Right there I agreed with you, using the actual words "I agree", and then mentioned that I don't use "the media" to get my information.