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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> BSA GoldStar ? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1638578226 Message started by MMRanch on 12/03/21 at 16:37:06 |
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Title: BSA GoldStar ? Post by MMRanch on 12/03/21 at 16:37:06 There are so many new/old names and models that are making a return that retro machines may become valuable . Heck , our Savages may become "Highly Desirable" machines one day ? https://www.visordown.com/news/new-bikes/bsa-motorcycles-reveals-new-gold-star-650-2022-preview-event |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by ohiomoto on 12/03/21 at 17:55:29 "BSA GoldStar ?" Yes please! http://https://cdn.visordown.com/styles/v2_mid/s3/field/image/BSA-Goldstar-650-2022.jpeg |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by MMRanch on 12/03/21 at 18:34:58 GoldStar ? It looks a lot like the bike I just sold "Kate" . Kate had 50 HP :), spoke wheels :( , nice lines :) , chain drive :(, air cooled :) , kick + electric start :) I wanted to keep Kate but those spoke wheels and chain drive were non-desirable things Kate was born with that she couldn't loose ... ............................... That GoldStar sure has those NICE LINES ! :) |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Ruttly on 12/03/21 at 20:37:42 Well it’s about time ! I not sure what color but I may have to get one ! Dear Santa , |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Dave on 12/04/21 at 04:10:17 MM: But.....This is a single cylinder! Exactly the kind of Thumper that makes us happy. I have wanted an original GoldStar for a long time - but I have never ridden one. Folks like Lancer and Verslagen who have ridden them say they vibrate a lot! An original may turn out to be a pretty bike to look at and a miserable bike to ride. It will remain to be seen what kind of a dealer network gets established in the US. Triumph and Royal Enfield dealers where I live don't have a good reputation for being good at service. Here is a video with some yacking and good views of several paint schemes......it is a nice looking bike! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDFZAp4bR_4&t=320s [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDFZAp4bR_4&t=320s[/media] |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by MMRanch on 12/04/21 at 07:25:55 The "Liquid-Cooled" turns me off . :-[ ............... |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Armen on 12/04/21 at 07:45:47 The original Gold Star was one of prettiest bikes ever made. A lot of that had to do with the clear, uncluttered lines, and of course, the prefect sweep of the headpipe. Folks I knew who had one said they were a hoot, but kick starting a high compression single was no fun. And a non-counterbalanced big single gets old real fast on a long run. This one is close, but no cigar. Some lines are right on, but overall a bit cluttered. Glad it's a 650, and has electric start, and a balancer. If they had been able to do it with a smaller radiator, that might have helped. Look at how well the rad is hidden on a Thruxton R. I wish them well. I'm just not running down there with cash in fist. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by zipidachimp on 12/04/21 at 10:50:26 I don't have a problem with reviving some cool bikes from the past, but why include tubed tires? Jeez, it's 2022 already! Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Ruttly on 12/04/21 at 11:40:08 425042505D4E414C470F0 wrote:
At least they finned up the engine very well. I’ve never had a liquid cooled bike before , might be a good thing for day long rides at sustained speeds. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Ruttly on 12/04/21 at 12:15:26 Limited available specs so far , but no weight spec. It looks heavy , 400 lbs well maybe not that much , tough to tell from a few pics. It must be able to pull the load with 100 mph top speed. Seat height is 30” , 2 channel abs , 18” front , 17” rear. So far I’m liking what I’m seeing. Price in India almost 8k , here more for sure. In comparison to the Royal Enfield the BSA is supposed to be a Premium Line , can’t wait to see the 441 Victor or any other offerings. RE dealer not far away , I’ll be calling them for more info. Sell a few things , truck , sportster , some guitars , done. I’ll be keeping the tracker ! |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Ruttly on 12/04/21 at 12:52:16 Wow a porky 469.5 lbs , carries 12 liters of fuel. That’s gonna make the tracker (315 lb) feel like a bicycle a freakin fast bicycle. Savage 386 lbs ? , SR 500 387 lbs , RE 500 370 lbs. That’s a significant difference it’s all in where it carries the weight. If it has a low center of gravity it won’t be as noticeable. My sportster is 505 lbs but has a good c of g , but could be better. Besides I haven’t had a brand new bike in 37 years , maybe ! |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by MMRanch on 12/04/21 at 14:01:32 Wow 37 years is a long time not to have the feel of a new bike under ya ! Wait a minute ! I've only had one new bike ever , but it sure feels good ! :) ....................... They sure make them look good. I think the RE Meteor Supernova Blue is one of the prettiest bikes I've seen Yea , 350 just ain't enough ? |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by zipidachimp on 12/04/21 at 22:25:54 The Supernova is 'tubeless' so why not all? anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfMS-S4_G6c The header looks a bit porky! Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by ohiomoto on 12/05/21 at 07:41:26 I agree with Ruttly and Armen, but I think they did a better job with this than any of the other Retro bikes out there. If it didn't have a radiator up front I don't think most people would even know that it's liquid cooled. I think new Triumphs are worse when it comes to proportions. Kawasaki made a better looking trumpet with the w650 than Triumph did with their modern bikes. That said, I think the RE 650 Intercepter is probably my favorite retro bike out there and they didn't even "copy' anything. But the BSA is right there with it. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by ohiomoto on 12/05/21 at 07:52:47 5C4F564F4247454E4F4B56260 wrote:
I agree with you about the header. I'm guessing it's double walled. Maybe they made it bigger to stave off discoloration?? (Though I think it could use a little discoloration.) |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Dave on 12/05/21 at 07:59:23 1A081A08051619141F570 wrote:
I believe liquid cooling is a necessary evil of modern engines and current emission requirements. Air cooled VW's disappeared - then Porsche.....they just couldn't provide the kind of performance and longevity that was required as the emission requirements got stricter and they both had to go to water cooling - and now it is happening with motorcycles. I can remember it was common to have to put a new water pump in a a vehicle now and then...... but I have not put one in a car in a very long time - even when they have lots of year and miles on them. My 2006 Pontiac Vibe has 190,000 miles and is still on the original water pump and serpentine belt! I was going to replace the belt last spring before the trip to Texas - but when I inspected it the belt was in good shape and didn't need to be replaced. (I do replace the coolant every 4-5 years). I have owned 5 water cooled bikes, and I have never had a problem with any of them (Honda ST1100 & NT700, Ninja 250, BMW F800 and R1200RT). High compression and low emission engines just seem to require water cooling. Having a radiator on a motorcycle doesn't bother me much......although it would be nice if it wasn't too ugly! |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Ruttly on 12/06/21 at 01:18:30 I like the teal blue Goldstar. IMO it has the most vintage look. This bike has some sexy shapes & lines. How soon , how soon ? They also talked about power upgrades will be available , a remapping tune I would guess. They have been very tight lipped till now about any models ,I’ve only seen one other rendition of a 335cc/350cc of a yellow dual purpose like the old 441. A brilliant debut using the Goldstar as their flagship. Should be a huge seller , I’m kinda excited ! |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Dave on 12/06/21 at 03:15:49 103736362E3B420 wrote:
If BSA wants to sell a lot of motorcycles - they will have to make a 350cc bike. Royal Enfield sold 20 times more of the 350cc bike than they did the 500cc Bullet, and that is why they chose to make the 350cc Meteor. When they designed a new emission compliant bike they only chose to make the more popular 350cc bike and they and no longer make a 500cc bike. In the parts of the world where they sell most of the Royal Enfield - a 500cc bike is too big! |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Ruttly on 12/07/21 at 11:23:50 I’m sure a 350cc and some sort of twin are waiting in the wings or still in development. They aren’t showing all their cards yet. Ooo and maybe a triple , a Retro Rocket ! |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by zipidachimp on 12/07/21 at 18:09:33 Woe is me! why are all of these great new bikes coming now when I'm gettin' too old to enjoy them? This new BSA looks just like my old one and that was a great bike. The CR on this bike is 11:1 ? Cheers! 8-) ps: that porky header is actually a cover? |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Ruttly on 12/08/21 at 11:25:29 I wanna see the new Norton step up with a retro MANX. I’m sorry Zipi didn’t intend to upset you. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Dave on 12/09/21 at 02:51:35 I have heard from several of my local riding buddies that they think the radiator is too bulky looking. I would not be surprised if BSA redesigns that before production.....or that an aftermarket "slimline" radiator will be made before long. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Ruttly on 12/21/21 at 09:40:31 And , Yamaha announced that the SR400 will be back for 2022. Mostly unchanged since 1978 , a 44 year run and still runnin ! Still lookin at the Goldstar , can’t wait to plant my butt on the seat and see how it fits , hope it’s as comfy as an old pair of slippers. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by engineer on 12/22/21 at 12:32:03 This is a little off topic but several years ago a member posted pictures of a Savage that was modified to look similar to the original BSA Goldstar. I searched for it but didn't have any luck. I vaguely recall that the guy said it was his father's project. It looked good. If anyone can find that post I would like to take a closer look at that project. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Dave on 12/22/21 at 14:48:01 Engineer: I believe the bike you are referring to was the Retro Standard in this build. Unfortunately all the photos have gone away. I have a photo somewhere in my computer....I will try to find it. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1369527081 I think I found a photo of it......post #28 in this thread. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1438534942/26 |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by ohiomoto on 12/22/21 at 16:45:09 http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/scrambler_hack_job.jpg |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by engineer on 12/26/21 at 13:47:18 Thanks for finding that 8 year old thread! The Savage is such a "clean" design that it doesn't take much to give it a different look. If that were my project I would paint the cylinder black to make it look more like the old British cast iron cylinders. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Ruttly on 12/26/21 at 13:57:04 To me it looks like the added frame loop supporting the rear fender is where the shock used to go and they made a new rear shock mount , higher and further back , bet ride is improved over stock. Better swingarm to frame geometry. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by LANCER on 12/27/21 at 14:24:11 Saw a Cycle World article earlier with a few numbers. 652cc single 4 valve dohc 11.5:1 CR 45 bhp, 41 pf torque 470 lbs. Brembo brakes 5 spd., chain That radiator is an eyesore. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Armen on 12/27/21 at 15:26:31 Triumph did a better job of hiding the radiator on the current Thruxton/Bonneville. Maybe BSA will tie it up a bit? Hopefully someone I know buys one and asks me to help drop 50 pounds off of it. Usual stuff: Lighter exhaust, ditch the Cat. Tubeless conversion. Lithium battery. Make as many parts out of aluminum that are now steel. And so on. I’ve been helping a bud sort out his 650 Enfield. Already faster, lighter, better handling than it was. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by LANCER on 01/01/22 at 07:33:57 It’s past time for Suzuki to rebrand/update the LS650 as a “Standard” vs cruiser, with fuel injection, new exhaust, upgrade the brakes, suspension, and a new head with proper exhaust ports. ...and the cam chain tensioner. Everything except for the head can be pulled from current parts on the shelf. Torque and power will be comparable to the Enfield and BSA and still be air cooled and 100 lbs. lighter in weight. Priced comparably, with MUCH improved performance, it could be competitive in this market. Suzuki has a much better and greater dealer network from which to sell and service than the Companies from India, and a long history with this bike. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Gary_in_NJ on 01/01/22 at 07:44:11 There will be no changes for the LS650. Any change will require recertification- which it won’t pass. The only change that the bike will get is non-production. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by LANCER on 01/01/22 at 07:55:38 565C58525950545D030501310 wrote:
Because of the air cooling ? |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by zipidachimp on 01/01/22 at 15:09:25 Emissions/carburetor! This may seem strange, but Suzuki has in the past matched RE and BSA model for model. If they really wanted to compete now, they could do it without breaking a sweat. Marketing would put the kibosh on doing so! Cheers! 8-) https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-suzuki-gr650-tempter/ https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YR3-Q7_GIjo/Tb1W2S9arMI/AAAAAAAAAkY/OdCqXBl4ngA/s1600/DSC013003.jpg |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by LANCER on 01/02/22 at 04:22:07 http://https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YR3-Q7_GIjo/Tb1W2S9arMI/AAAAAAAAAkY/OdCqXBl4ngA/s1600 Yep, that’s it. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by ohiomoto on 01/02/22 at 19:16:09 The GR650 Tempter is a 650 twin, not the same as the overseas Tempter. http://https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1983_suzuki_gr650_tempter_1598461114dbfdacc551d4DSC_1774.jpg?fit=940%2C626 |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by zipidachimp on 01/02/22 at 22:41:09 Better looking match for the RE 650s, BSA 650's ! Suzuki won't bring these 2 back. Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by MMRanch on 01/03/22 at 17:20:09 zipidachimp Your breaking my heart ! I like that 650 twin ! :) |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by zipidachimp on 01/03/22 at 19:19:49 Dude, it's a '650' twin, similar to a BSA Lightning/Thunderbolt, RE Int650/Continental Gt. Suzuki had this market covered 20 years ago, and could easily do it now, but won't, because Suzuki Marketing is in hibernation and shows no sign of waking up!!! Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by ohiomoto on 01/05/22 at 16:55:23 The problem with the GR650 is they break starter gears and Suzuki doesn't manufacture parts for them. They also stopped making parts for the last of their RM 2-strokes that they stopped making in 2008!! There are guys out there putting 2-stroke engines in modern RMZ 4-stroke chassis because they want modern Suzuki 2-stroke. Some of them are using Yamaha YZ250 because Yamaha still sells parts for their engines. |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by Dave on 01/06/22 at 04:21:23 7F78797F7D7F647F100 wrote:
I believe a manufacturer is required by law to supply repair parts for a minimum of 10 years after the model production is terminated. I believe 2019 was the last production year - so you have until 2029 to get stocked up on the parts you need. Suzuki could extend the supply for longer - but on a low production bike it is likely they won't start a new production run of parts and will rely on whatever they have in stock. As the bike ages some of the rubber parts will become stiff and need replacement. You might want to stock up on carb parts that includes a needle/seat, a new TEV diaphragm, new bowl gasket, drive belt, a gasket set, a rubber carb manifold and air cleaner tube, a cam chain and Verslagen head plug and tensioner.......and maybe watch eBay and buy a spare ignition module and voltage regulator. I would expect aftermarket engine gasket sets will be around for a while - but it you want factory ones you likely should buy them. As the bike becomes older and a lot of them are no longer running, it is likely the used part supply on eBay will be a good source of parts. "Sounds like I am a Suzuki Savage Doomsday prepper"! |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by zipidachimp on 01/06/22 at 20:49:42 Suzuki Marketing would like you to buy a SV650. They've learned from Kawasaki's W650/800 that nostalgia looks cool but doesn't sell. Royal Enfield has a captive market in India, and got lucky when the western world fell in love with their new affordable 650 twins. W800s up here are discounted and still don't sell. Honda has a match for the Meteor 350 but probably won't bring it here. Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/07/22 at 18:28:55 W800s up here are discounted and still don't sell. Why? Do you have an opinion on that? |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by zipidachimp on 01/07/22 at 22:12:23 still overpriced at can$10,000 after discount! RE650s at $6995+ ! Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by MMRanch on 01/08/22 at 07:58:21 I REALLY LIKE the looks of the Meteor 350 , its got all the right stuff except a few more cc's . If Suzuki would make a 500 - 650 copy I'm sure they could sell at least one of them ! ;) |
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Title: Re: BSA GoldStar ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/08/22 at 13:42:35 66756C75787D7F7475716C1C0 wrote:
That sounds like a pretty good reason! |
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